No Tips After Dinner For Gays!

IIRC, you're only actually supposed to tip the valet who brings you your car. Besides the point I know. With or without that $10 he has the ability to ruin your night if you hand him the keys to a $80,000 car. You're also talking apples and oranges if you want to compare piece of mind to your 80 grand vehicle versus your Cesar salad.

Your condescension was pretty evident in your assessment of the difficulty said cashier's job. You made no mention of considering a reason for tipping other than the difficulty of the task you observed them perform. Furthermore, you made no consideration for additional duties they may have done that provided you with the good/service you purchased. That cashier could be the baker that baked your donut at 5AM this morning but runs a register from 9-5. But because all you saw was 3 buttons being pushed, you assumed their work did not warrant acknowledgment.

FYI, all they have to do is charge more than what you might have tipped them to that card in order to make money. That's all I'm saying.

11 pages of tipping etiquette wtf?

If you can afford an 80k vehicle, 10 dollars doesn't mean ***to you. I think the people eating at Applebees are quite a different story.

Edit: Am I the only person that looks at their bank statements online to make sure what a restaurant debits out is what I wrote in?

Valid point regarding the hypothetical gardner. If I had the money to do that, then perhaps I would. Your also talking about paying a person's entire salary versus just slipping the guy a $20 bill once or twice a month.

Paying someone extra to ensure they do the job, they are already paid to do, to their best ability is absolutely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

lol I'm sure this could go on for 11 more pages.

It's not insurance. I disagree. Tipping does afford me some piece of mind. It's a small price to pay.

I don't look at tipping as paying someone to do their job. Tipping is a means of saying thank you for your hard work and effort. I appreciate what you have done for me.

Welcome to the real world.

LMAO!

Which implies a level of reservation to distinguish between someone phoning it in from someone who is genuinely going above and beyond.

I recall two really good waiters in the last year. The first was an asian guy who kept cracking jokes, sat with us, suggested food, brought a round on the house and delved into his life story while the food was being prepared. When it was all over, you'd be an *** not to tip this guy well in comparison to some of the other waiters running the clock. I later saw him on an episode of a Food Network show featuring his restaurant.

The second took time to explain the wines, guide my indecisive mother through the menu and had the most infectious aura of work delight I've ever seen.If he was faking that, he should be an actor. ***, maybe he was an actor. Oh well, he still got a handsome tip.

But tipping someone for not taking your BMW on a joyride, or scratching it on the way to parking it? What happened to responsibility...

This is professionalism, and knowledge. The absolute reason for gratuity.

At some point in human history, we collectively recognized that it was in the best interest for survival and growth to adopt currency as a means of bartering goods and services.

Much later, "not *** up" was recognized as a service.

If I paid 80,000 for a car, I wouldn't let my wife drive it, yet alone some 17 year old kid.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but "not *** up" was how you kept a job. and not an extra service.

When the job pays 2.85/hour, how worried are you about "not *** up," and by extension, keeping the job?

The minimum they can make is minimum wage; there is no 2.85/hour.

It's that + tips going beyond minimum wage or minimum wage whichever of the two is higher.

That should be standard service, that might be why some of our opinions on tipping differ.

They should be explaining the menu, they don't want you returning an item back to the kitchen. The quality of service typically gets bettet as the average $$plate goes up. Why? They have additional staff e.g. server assistants, food runners.

I started at Olive Garden at 18yo god that was so much work! Prep your own salads, your own bread, your own soup, refill your own drinks. With a four years I ended up at Cheesecake Factory and then Ruth's Chris...people were getting paid to refill my drinks, refill my bread, run all my food, and I think someone got paid to wipe my *** too!

Which has been my point from the beginning... Pay people a decent wage for their work, and stop pressuring customers to inject additional money out of their pockets for services rendered.

We touched on this earlier. Unless someone comes up with a better model, there is no way you can enjoy your services at the prices they are now, and raising tipped positions up to minimum wage. It's called a company's overhead. In order to keep you coming back for that $8 burger, they need to cut costs somewhere, it just happens to be wages.

The solutions were presented:

-Flat pay + tip split.
-Service charge on every order, utilized to subsidize each employee.
-Use less workers, pay them more.

Each model has its advantages and disadvantages.

This sounds like another "the world would be better if" claims.

Something tells me you just don't like feeling you "should" do something.

Apples and oranges I know, but... Its the same thing as StraitTalk vs Verizon. Some would rather pay retail for a phone with no contract and a sense that they are saving money. When in all actuality, the costs are similar when averaged out.

Forgive me if i'm misunderstanding you, but when you go out to eat, aren't you already paying more for the food and service then you are for the tip? If tips were outed and prices raised, you'd still be paying more for your food and it still wouldn't be close. I'm not sure your phone analogy works.

Edit: It's not a model to help pay the employee, it's a form of etiquette just like you don't apply a model to hair styling.

My mom tips 50% of her total salon charges. I tip 6 bucks then again my hair is no where near complicated, that doesn't stop my mom from calling me cheap.

You're right, I don't like feeling like I "should" be responsible for paying a businesses employees wages if the form of gratuity.

If they told you that you "must," would you feel better?

rewording a sentence to make the same statement...