Shut 'em Down!

oh they are...medicare is teh debil...

The problem is the costs won't go down. It's impossible.
That's a fantasy.

Nothing has changed. The suckers in the middle class paid for everyone else's healthcare before when people who make poor choices go to an emergency room for healthcare and don't pay.

Now they are going to pay more money for an *** load of "preventative medicine" that won't do a damn bit of good when everything they eat is deep fried and covered in sugar!!!

You can't pass a law that fixes stupid. But god knows they never quit trying.

other than TARP, just about all the spending you like to blame on Obama is just him paying for crap Bush put on a store card and forgot to fund. medicare part b, Iraq, Afghanistan, massive budget defecits due to the tax cuts, the massive government agencies spawned by the patriot act...

i understand the sentiment, but why do you think costs can't go down, and have you seen the difference in prices between preventative and emergency care? you could do a years worth of routine medical care for a person for less than one hospital visit at current prices.

Last night's late night punching bag:

Obamacare glitches.

Liberal conspiracy or liberal conspiracy? I like how the woman on the Obamacare splash page is being bashed online.

Oh America, you shame me sometimes.

It's impossible!

YOU are thinking about cost as a number on a spreadsheet.

THESE ARE REAL PEOPLE YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE THIS MONEY AWAY FROM!!!

Do you think they won't figure out a way around it!?
Do you really think a doctor with forty seven billion dollars in medical school bills is just going to accept a pay cut and shrug his shoulders and say oh well I didn't really want to eat this month anyway? NO!!!

in the real world the doctor is going to prescribe every conceivable medical test he can get a kick back for, every medicine ever made by man, special physical therapy at the pool, specialist referrals that they also get kick backs for THEY DO ALL THIS STUFF NOW! When you have health insurance suddenly you need all kinds of blood work and trips to the cardiologist for stress tests and blood sugar screenings and colonoscopies and mamograms. Multiply that by 47 million

Fatty Wideload is still going to eat fried food five times a day and die at 45. Whether he goes to one doctor at 10k a pop or ten doctors at 1k a pop.

God bless Fatty Wideload, for he keeps the wheel of American capitalism turning.

AMEN!

WAIT A MINUTE! You expect us to believe you survived the incompetency and inadequacy of the american healthcare system BEFORE OBAMACARE!!!?

LIAR!!!

also, it's nothing personal zero... I just want you all to die!

but since you survived my appendicitis ray..... here's some laser for your crotch!!!! burn in hell!!!!

Does anyone see how many people we are looking to add for coverage?

The way I see it is, we already don't have to "worry" about covering people on medicaid and medicare, people who have insurance, and people who are 0-26 (for the most part).

I don't see how this small group of people, which alot of people on here are claiming the number is relatively small, will be footing a significant amount of change to help reduce the cost.

Just call me a little bit crazy, but these other programs need to go since we have an awesome health care system we just installed. Since we have affordable health care now, no one needs to be on medicare, and medicaid. Cause we are double dipping now.

ACA phases out Medicaid and Medicare as it's goal. You could say it will absorb, amalgamate, or will all be one in the same. 50% of the funding comes directly from Medicare part D taxes. If you even go to the healthcare.gov website you can see on the bottom left corner of the page its "A federal government website managed by the U.S. Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. 7500 Security Boulevard, Baltimore, MD 21244"

Edit: But they need 7M to sign up by March 2014 for it to be deemed a success.

40% of which would need to be people between the 21-33yr range since they generally speaking don't real need healthcare outside of annual checkups.

Being that there are 319.9million plus people in the US we're talking about roughly 2.188184% of the population signing up.

40% of that 2.188184% would need to be in aforementioned age bracket.

I was shocked to learn my 10% guestimation of how many crazy people wouldn't sign up no matter what... was the exact same number the government came up with.

But to answer your question..it doesn't matter how many people actually get added. The important thing is it looks like we care and are doing something about a problem that we called attention to that may or may not actually exist. As Zero pointed out in his touching story of survival...

There was a medicare expansion offered as a side dish to obamacare and what the subsidies actually do is blur the line between medicare and those insured by their employer by helping "cover the costs" without the outright expansion of medicare.

The individual mandate is a joke. That will only be enforced if you are registered as a republican.

Be Well

Right, so Obamacare increases costs across the board (just about) and makes up for it with a government subsidy. So as a result we have more people whose insurance cost are now out of reach for them to cover themselves who then in turn becoming wards of the states directly because of the system the state set up.

Good work! This is the inevitable result of government entitlements. In order to help the poor we need to make more people poor.


Wealth redistribution! To bad Obamacare is wealth distribution from young to old. Next time listen to us, we know what we're talking about.






Those are the most accurate charts available for national debt. Obama is responsible for nearly everything OVER 10 trillion. Neither Obama nor Clinton reduced the debt as the second chart clearly shows. The Clinton drop in the first (as compared % to GDP) happened because a republican lead congress choked off the government's ability to spend. The dreaded "sequester" first proposed by Obama (before he campaigned against it) and the Republicans will have a similar effect on the growth of our national debt.


They need alot more than 40% of the lot to be young healthy (overpaying) young adults for the scam to work. That's the way insurance works (more people need to pay in than take out) and that's how the program is going to ultimately fail.

Young people who don't want insurance (as opposed to not being able to find it) aren't going to want to pay for the levels of care that the law mandates have to occur. They will avoid it until they can't legally do so. In the end the only people who are going to sign up for it are the ones who benefit the most from it and the accompanying subsidy (the older and the sicker among us).

I will say that this has given me the opportunity to reopen my "medical" business... I imagine it will be much easier to dupe these health insurance rubes into believing that I can diagnose them properly! Then I just watch that money roll in!

Nefarious plot #: 253 Of course! but we will only make those affiliated with the Republican cause poorer! we will bleed them dry and give all their money to dem liburalies... Only republican leaning businesses will be forced to insure their employees too! I can hear their sad and forlorn cries even now! music to my ears...

Enjoy your denial.

Holy crap! I wasn't even talking about Obama. Look your charts posted show the same curve mine do. Look at how it starts in 1980's the Reagan years and keeps going up. My point was about Reagan...try actually reading something I post.

And if the context is hard to grasp because you have a raging hard on for Obama talk. I was responding to someone quoting Reagan from a speech he gave in 1964. As president he did the exact opposite of everything he said prior.

lol I didn't even say anything denying anything and I can go enjoy my denial?

Go on though... your antics do entertain me...

The young people that are already covered by their parents medical insurance? or the young people that make minimum wage and will need a subsidy?

because the four young people that can afford health insurance and aren't already covered by another plan have a lot of weight to carry...

If we can ever find those ***!

Uh...Nausi?

Flavin was being sarcastic.

Just FYI.

So, what, you expect people to stick with their ideas a full 20+ years without changing/adapting them? You think that your ideas today will be the same 20 years from now? Was he running for president in 1964?

Only in your universe is the REAGAN bump more substantial than the OBAMA bump. It's one thing to take us from 30%-50% GDP but any entirely different league to take us from 70%-110% GDP.

I thought the ACA expanded medical coverage to children up to 25 or 26 regardless now... not sure at all about that though...

I know when I turned 18 I needed to be living at home (and by at home that had to be listed as my primary residence but I could be away at school) and in school to remain on my parents medical... once I graduated they booted me off that... it could last until you're 25 but there were always limitations... not sure if things have changed or that was just something from the one carrier...

Wasn't talking about Obamas spending in the post and your behavior is borderline harassment if you can't grasp the context of the post and keep going off on the Obama tangent and make condescending comments.

Well with politicians you can never really tell what they stand for... If what they say reflects their personal beliefs or what they feel their constituants want to hear or what someone is paying them to say... Their opinions, ideals and beliefs could change overnight if that's what gets em elected or reelected or whatever...

well yeah, my point is the whole plan is based on finding a unicorn in the misty mountains...

I'll go get the sled dogs harnessed while you get teh vial of female unicorn urine to lure in the male. We need his horn for the plan to work.

/packs a hacksaw

Fine I'll ask just so we're all clear.

You're mocking my, hypothesis no (obamacare raises healthcare costs and pulls more people into government assistance to pay for them)? So does that mean you don't think it's true?

Barry Goldwater was. Apparently you don't understand the context of the quote I was responding to. Maybe you can try reading the quote in question. Research when the quote originates then put the one and two together as to how the principles of a man in 1964 didn't match to the actions of the same man in 1980.

Or you could just report my posts because they offend your feeble minded sensibility.

https://www.healthcare.gov/can-i-keep-my-child-on-my-insurance-until-age-26/

If a plan covers children, they can be added or kept on the health insurance policy until they turn 26 years old.

Children can join or remain on a plan even if they are:

married
not living with their parents
attending school
not financially dependent on their parents
eligible to enroll in their employer’s plan

You said

You said this after posting charts which omitted Obama's contribution to the debt. I simply filled in the omitted data and corrected you.

Sorry you feel harassed. Don't post if you don't want to be challenged when you post skewed facts and partisan hypotheses.

Your "hypothesis" is flawed. You saying that ACA raises healthcare costs, but the only thing you can say about it, is that it raises health insurance prices or shifts the cost around. Healthcare =/= Health Insurance. That's, IMO, the main thing that ACA does. It separates the actual cost of healthcare from the inflated prices that health providers and insurance companies charge.

They really should have added some reform to the way health providers are paid. They should be paid based on outcomes, not how many tests they run.