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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 08:12:47
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Ugh...Why must the simple act of getting out of bed be so rough in the winter?
It's a seasonal thing for you?

must be nice.

It is for me too. Too much farmers' blood in me. My body wants to get up with the sun no matter when I go to bed. During the summer I get up at like 6:30 naturally. During the winter getting up at 7:00 to go to work -- or even 7:30-8:00 on weekends -- is a monumental task and I want to smack the ***out of that smarmy alarm clock.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-12-17 08:19:37
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I think not seeing a little sunlight is the killer for me also. 6:00 AM on Day Light Savings...

/shudders

Can we get rid of that anachronism finally?
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-17 08:21:59
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ugh, I just think I'm fighting some issues with mild depression that I refuse to treat, along with general lazyness.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-12-17 08:26:54
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What are we talking' here, winter doldrums or straight depression?

I think I read somewhere that a lack of vitamin D in the winter via sunlight can cause a wee bit of depression. It may be BS though. Didn't really feel the need to read up on it at the time.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 08:27:33
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I'm gonna ask this here since you guys have experience with all sorts of old school stuff.

Now I know it isn't completely safe but I also know it's safe enough to do since I've seen it done; smoking and drinking aren't safe either but people do it.

Here's the story; I'm looking to get a camper, either a camper van or a 13-14' trailer. I have a heater like this...



...a couple buddies use TWO of them in their 14' camper so I know it can be done. Think this would keep a camper warm without killing us? How should I ventilate, high and low to make a bit of an updraft or something?
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By volkom 2014-12-17 08:29:14
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
What are we talking' here, winter doldrums or straight depression?

I think I read somewhere that a lack of vitamin D in the winter via sunlight can cause a wee bit of depression. It may be BS though. Didn't really feel the need to read up on it at the time.

hardly get any sunlight anyways. stuck in doors, on the computer, browsing ffxiah/doing work. :P
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-17 08:30:50
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Is that a kerosene heater that you're trying to use in a mobile, in an enclosed space?

I see nothing that can go wrong here...

I mean you know it's a dumb idea, and you're still going to go through with it?

I would say at the minimum you would need proper ventilation, and get yourself a class B fire extinguisher.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 08:34:12
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
What are we talking' here, winter doldrums or straight depression?

I think I read somewhere that a lack of vitamin D in the winter via sunlight can cause a wee bit of depression. It may be BS though. Didn't really feel the need to read up on it at the time.


Seasonal Affective Disorder is quite real and has an effect on a lot of people. A bit more rare is the "inverse", where too much light/sun makes people irritable/etc.

But I suspect he's talking about the latter.
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-17 08:37:11
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Ramyrez said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
What are we talking' here, winter doldrums or straight depression?

I think I read somewhere that a lack of vitamin D in the winter via sunlight can cause a wee bit of depression. It may be BS though. Didn't really feel the need to read up on it at the time.


Seasonal Affective Disorder is quite real and has an effect on a lot of people. A bit more rare is the "inverse", where too much light/sun makes people irritable/etc.

But I suspect he's talking about the latter.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 08:37:38
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I'd invest in something like this.



Under $100 and indoor-safe. Uses propane. Has an oxygen sensor and tip sensor to shut itself off in adverse circumstances.

Kerosine heaters will put out some warmth, but I simply wouldn't trust them in the space of a camper. We used to use one on an enclosed but unheated back porch in the winter and it worked very well, but that was considerably more room -- both in square footage and actual clear space for the heater -- than a camper.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 08:40:02
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Jetackuu said: »
Is that a kerosene heater that you're trying to use in a mobile, in an enclosed space?

I see nothing that can go wrong here...

I mean you know it's a dumb idea, and you're still going to go through with it?

I would say at the minimum you would need proper ventilation, and get yourself a class B fire extinguisher.
It's a 3000-5000 BTU catalytic heater that runs on coleman fuel. It produces carbon monoxide but not excessive amounts.

I'm not sure how CO works, does it fall to the floor or float up to the ceiling? I plan to get a CO detector, where should I mount it, high up or just above me?

These heaters put of no fumes during operation.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 08:41:57
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Ramyrez said: »
I'd invest in something like this.



Under $100 and indoor-safe. Uses propane. Has an oxygen sensor and tip sensor to shut itself off in adverse circumstances.

Kerosine heaters will put out some warmth, but I simply wouldn't trust them in the space of a camper. We used to use one on an enclosed but unheated back porch in the winter and it worked very well, but that was considerably more room -- both in square footage and actual clear space for the heater -- than a camper.
I would eventually be plumbing an Olympian Wave-3 (3000 BTU) propane catalytic heater in, but they are expensive.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 08:43:20
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I'm not sure how CO works, does it fall to the floor or float up to the ceiling? I plan to get a CO detector, where should I mount it, high up or just above me?

I know in our house the CO detectors are at floor level plugged into outlets.

Sorry, thought it was kerosine; if it's using canned fuel and it's stable and you have some level of ventillation you should be fine I would think, your top/bottom draft idea sounds fine to me, though I'd maybe consider checking on an actual camping/outdoors forum or Q&A to be sure.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 08:47:17
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Ramyrez said: »
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I'm not sure how CO works, does it fall to the floor or float up to the ceiling? I plan to get a CO detector, where should I mount it, high up or just above me?

I know in our house the CO detectors are at floor level plugged into outlets.

Sorry, thought it was kerosine; if it's using canned fuel and it's stable and you have some level of ventillation you should be fine I would think, your top/bottom draft idea sounds fine to me, though I'd maybe consider checking on an actual camping/outdoors forum or Q&A to be sure.
By "canned fuel" you mean Coleman Fuel, sometimes called "white gas"?
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 08:47:53
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By "canned fuel" you mean Coleman Fuel, sometimes called "white gas"?

Yeah, either that or a propane heater as I linked.

I'd still feel safer with propane, but that should be okay too.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 08:53:22
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Ramyrez said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
By "canned fuel" you mean Coleman Fuel, sometimes called "white gas"?

Yeah, either that or a propane heater as I linked.

I'd still feel safer with propane, but that should be okay too.
It's basically a cheap route. I also have a 1500-3000 BTU catalytic heater that runs on propane canisters but at 3000 BTU it has a run time of 7 hours and 1500 BTU 14 hours but at 1500 BTU, I'd need another one.

The old one I posted above will run about 12 hours at 3000 BTU and 10 hours at 5000 BTU. We only use heating while we sleep.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 09:01:29
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I make no claim to being a professional in this regard but it seems safe enough to me from the few things I'm looking at atm.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 09:05:00
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Like I said, a couple buddies went in together for an old 60's camper to use for deer season and they use two of them, according to one of them bitching I'd assume they do a good job. Lol

I just don't know how CO behaves.

EDIT: I also have one of these...



...25,000 BTU but it has an open flame burner and I really don't want to bake to death. It also needs a new regulator so I'm not using that.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 09:11:18
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I just don't know how CO behaves.

As far as placement of your CO detector, read the instructions that come with it, as they vary. Although a brief review of CO detector placement on Google does report that you don't want them to be within certain distances of fuel-burning appliances, so that may be a consideration in your setting.

Either way though, as long as you have a bit of ventillation going through I really think you'll be okay from the CO emission issue. The bigger problem with that is just the outdoor breeze blowing through the area you're trying to keep warm.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2014-12-17 09:12:48
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Sleeping bags and bourbon. Problem solved.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-12-17 09:13:34
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
People just sat around and watched videos for exam week in HS?

Movie day is for poor kids.


and that rant will have to hold you all until after the new year.
it's time once again for Evil Factory Winter Shutdown Preventative Maintenance!!!

Show the kids "Telefon" for the Robert Frost reference...it has charles bronson in it!

"The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep
And miles to go before I sleep."


MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 09:15:17
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Ramyrez said: »
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I just don't know how CO behaves.

As far as placement of your CO detector, read the instructions that come with it, as they vary. Although a brief review of CO detector placement on Google does report that you don't want them to be within certain distances of fuel-burning appliances, so that may be a consideration in your setting.

Either way though, as long as you have a bit of ventillation going through I really think you'll be okay from the CO emission issue. The bigger problem with that is just the outdoor breeze blowing through the area you're trying to keep warm.
An example of what I'd LIKE touse it in, if I were rich, would be an 80's VW Westfalia. I'd probably put on rain guards and crack the front windows. I'd probably have the pop top up and use the top bunk to store my rifle and stuff.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 09:16:02
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Asura.Dameshi said: »
Sleeping bags and bourbon. Problem solved.
The buddies I mentioned do that too.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 09:18:16
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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I just don't know how CO behaves.

As far as placement of your CO detector, read the instructions that come with it, as they vary. Although a brief review of CO detector placement on Google does report that you don't want them to be within certain distances of fuel-burning appliances, so that may be a consideration in your setting.

Either way though, as long as you have a bit of ventillation going through I really think you'll be okay from the CO emission issue. The bigger problem with that is just the outdoor breeze blowing through the area you're trying to keep warm.
An example of what I'd LIKE touse it in, if I were rich, would be an 80's VW Westfalia. I'd probably put on rain guards and crack the front windows. I'd probably have the pop top up and use the top bunk to store my rifle and stuff.

I've always been a fan of owning a hunting camp.

Until the foresting company off of which your family has leased the land for 80+ years gets bought and the new owners refuse to renew your lease and tear down the building and you want to murder someone in a nostalgic rage, but you don't because you're a reasonable adult now and really it was just a crappy old building that was a fire hazard anyhow, or so they (the family trying to talk you down) keep telling you...

Wait. What are we talking about again?
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By Asura.Dameshi 2014-12-17 09:19:24
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Merry Christmas evil sir. May you fill it with coal for those deserving of a cheap heat source, and lashings for the inept.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 09:19:59
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cheap heat source

Clearly you don't know much about coal!
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-12-17 09:21:02
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Ramyrez said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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I just don't know how CO behaves.

As far as placement of your CO detector, read the instructions that come with it, as they vary. Although a brief review of CO detector placement on Google does report that you don't want them to be within certain distances of fuel-burning appliances, so that may be a consideration in your setting.

Either way though, as long as you have a bit of ventillation going through I really think you'll be okay from the CO emission issue. The bigger problem with that is just the outdoor breeze blowing through the area you're trying to keep warm.
An example of what I'd LIKE touse it in, if I were rich, would be an 80's VW Westfalia. I'd probably put on rain guards and crack the front windows. I'd probably have the pop top up and use the top bunk to store my rifle and stuff.

I've always been a fan of owning a hunting camp.

Until the foresting company off of which your family has leased the land for 80+ years gets bought and the new owners refuse to renew your lease and tear down the building and you want to murder someone in a nostalgic rage, but you don't because you're a reasonable adult now and really it was just a crappy old building that was a fire hazard anyhow, or so they (the family trying to talk you down) keep telling you...

Wait. What are we talking about again?
The guy can't sale the land we hunt on, no mineral rights, land-locked, already logged a few years ago. No reason to buy it really.
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-17 09:22:47
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can't sale
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-17 09:23:01
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The guy can't sale the land we hunt on, no mineral rights, land-locked, already logged a few years ago. No reason to buy it really.

This is in Northern Pennsylvania.

Some *** can always find a new, exciting way to pillage the land for something.

The logging done up there is done selectively and properly, however, planned out for decades. Deforestation doesn't happen and they replant/etc.

In short, it's always land worth owning.
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By Asura.Dameshi 2014-12-17 09:28:30
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cheap heat source

Clearly you don't know much about coal!
My dad burns coal at his house. It's cheaper than oil, propane, electric, and natural gas.
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