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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 22:35:58
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Enternius said:
Apocalypse truly is the best relic WEAPON.

Obviously Aegis and Gjallarhorn are far better but they're not weapons so you can't really compare the two.


Well, Amanno is great too though, Kaiten is a horse, and Yoic/Annia are great too, Apoc is the great because the after haste on the WS lol, but, Yoic WS is basically hateless and that is something to consider, ETC ETC could go over and discuss on it, I will put Apoc top 3 though definitely yes.

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And yea you put Aegis and G.Horn in a dif section of a discussion.
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 22:36:40
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Rumaha said:
Enternius said:
Apocalypse truly is the best relic WEAPON.

Obviously Aegis and Gjallarhorn are far better but they're not weapons so you can't really compare the two.


Well, Amanno is great too though, Kaiten is a horse, and Yoic/Annia are great too, Apoc is the great because the after haste on the WS lol, but, Yoic WS is basically hateless and that is something to consider, ETC ETC could go over and discuss on it, I will put Apoc top 3 though definitely yes.

Shoo, SAM, while the REAL DD's talk about relics.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 22:39:26
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Rydiya said:

Shoo, SAM, while the REAL DD's talk about relics.


Coming from the person who doesn't have a DD anywhere near 75, to the person who has lvled WAR to 75 TWICE NIN MNK and THF. SAM is just 1.
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By Pandemonium.Eternaltriumph 2009-10-03 22:45:23
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Bartimaeus said:
4 years no endgame, partly schedule, partly drama has given me a bad image [of endgame]..

Meh.. I'm ok with what I have..

This. xD IMO the best players are those who have played forever and never did end game. Meaning camping six hours to lose claims. >.> Dyna, Limbus and Unpronouncablejar are the exceptions because one is ancient and two are short, sweet and to the point. I've never camped a single "end-game" monster and can keep up with quite a few people in Kupo by my customized gear setup and being able to time JA's, WS', manual Utsu (windower, wat?) judging tank hate grasp so I don't spend five minutes chewing the floor to kill my group parse. You learn a lot of things that people with Adaberks and Dalmaticas just throw hard numbers and little skill at don't.

Just like I'm sure Bart can see just about any mob and time his cures to land *just after* a mob hits after seeing it attack twice based on monster delay and cure delay and micromanaging MP, along with doing the proper WHM thing and letting the retard SAM die instead of wasting all his MP so everyone is in danger. :D

tl;dr end game just means you can camp NMs. Not that you're a good player, or are better at a game.

Edit: Does Sky count as end game nowadays...? I mean, it's way more laid back than it used to be...dunno.
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 22:45:24
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Doesn't mean you're a real DD.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-10-03 22:46:55
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Rydiya said:
Doesn't mean you're a real DD.

and you think sch can nuke better then a blm lol
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 22:50:07
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Eternaltriumph said:
Bartimaeus said:
4 years no endgame, partly schedule, partly drama has given me a bad image [of endgame]..

Meh.. I'm ok with what I have..

This. xD IMO the best players are those who have played forever and never did end game. Meaning camping six hours to lose claims. >.> Dyna, Limbus and Unpronouncablejar are the exceptions because one is ancient and two are short, sweet and to the point. I've never camped a single "end-game" monster and can keep up with quite a few people in Kupo by my customized gear setup and being able to time JA's, WS', manual Utsu (windower, wat?) judging tank hate grasp so I don't spend five minutes chewing the floor to kill my group parse. You learn a lot of things that people with Adaberks and Dalmaticas just throw hard numbers and little skill at don't.

Just like I'm sure Bart can see just about any mob and time his cures to land *just after* a mob hits after seeing it attack twice based on monster delay and cure delay and micromanaging MP, along with doing the proper WHM thing and letting the retard SAM die instead of wasting all his MP so everyone is in danger. :D

tl;dr end game just means you can camp NMs. Not that you're a good player, or are better at a game.

Edit: Does Sky count as end game nowadays...? I mean, it's way more laid back than it used to be...dunno.


I do that stuff too :D You can use windower for Utsu? :O I rather do everything manual, I did do that EG HNM etc etc etc though :/ And I had an Adaberk lol but I never went "RAWR SMASH" I used my brain :/ still do, but that EG doesn't make you good I agree.

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This time around ATM I don't have the gear anymore/yet but I still do what you talk about skill > gear, but damn wish I had that gear again lol.
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 22:53:01
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Ludoggy said:
Rydiya said:
Doesn't mean you're a real DD.

and you think sch can nuke better then a blm lol

The fail BLMs.. Yeah.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-10-03 23:02:54
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/nods to the Boondocks theme song

WE HAVIN OURSELVES A *** MOMENT!!!
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 23:05:07
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Wut?
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-10-03 23:06:22
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Kungfuhustle said:
/nods to the Boondocks theme song

WE HAVIN OURSELVES A *** MOMENT!!!

*throws a chair*
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 23:08:30
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Kungfuhustle said:
/nods to the Boondocks theme song

WE HAVIN OURSELVES A *** MOMENT!!!


God I'm watchin that too LOL

"*** YO COURT ***!!" ROFL
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 23:25:55
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 23:32:51
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:/ I wonder what're actually the useful, good rolls for COR I should spend money on.
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By Phoenix.Amael 2009-10-03 23:39:55
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hi guys!
I'm wondering, those who have PS3, have you updated to 3.01 and are you ok? Like no problems? Now I'm scared to update mine with all that talk of bricked PS3s
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-03 23:50:01
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Ludoggy said:
Rydiya said:
Doesn't mean you're a real DD.

and you think sch can nuke better then a blm lol

If you had a SCH and a BLM with identical gear, the SCH would always win. So in that sense, yes, SCH can outnuke BLM.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-03 23:52:05
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:/ I wonder what're actually the useful, good rolls for COR I should spend money on.

Corsair's, Hunter's, Chaos, Healer's, Samurai, Evoker's, Rogue's, Warlock's, Fighter's, Wizard's, and Scholar's are the essential ones. Of course that should cost roughly 600k.
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-03 23:52:26
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Weee~ COR12.. :x And I already got a AF burn invite.. which is totally NOT what I wanted.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 23:52:33
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Enternius said:
Ludoggy said:
Rydiya said:
Doesn't mean you're a real DD.

and you think sch can nuke better then a blm lol

If you had a SCH and a BLM with identical gear, the SCH would always win. So in that sense, yes, SCH can outnuke BLM.


But that doesn't ever happen due to the fact BLM has access to better gear in certain places, as well as better spells. So stop trying to compare jobs in this game, ***don't work like that. You pick a situation, and say, what has the ability to preform better in this situation with x type of gear and x time etc.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-03 23:56:29
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Rumaha said:
You pick a situation, and say, what has the ability to preform better in this situation with x type of gear and x time etc.

In every situation, SCH will perform better due to its MP efficiency. That is to say, damage dealt per MP, or the mage equivalent of DoT.

Saying BLM is better because it gets higher nukes is like a DRK saying "holy ***i did 4000 damage with spiral hell but i had to do 20 500-damage ones before that happened".

Not exactly the same but it's the mage equivalent.

That being said, a MNK with good DoT will always beat a DRK with one good WS. And as such, a SCH would always beat a BLM.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-03 23:56:57
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Enternius said:
Rydiya said:
:/ I wonder what're actually the useful, good rolls for COR I should spend money on.

Corsair's, Hunter's, Chaos, Healer's, Samurai, Evoker's, Rogue's, Warlock's, Fighter's, Wizard's, and Scholar's are the essential ones. Of course that should cost roughly 600k.


The BLU one is a boss MDEF roll, situational at best though, I don't even think SCH roll is really needed for conserve MP I mean I'm sure there are situation's but idk how many you will really come across, Can only have 2 rolls yea? So wouldn't Matk and Macc be better? I mean with the amount of MP refresh etc you can get Conserve MP might be meh, I think Wiki says lucky is like you get around ~10% w/o a SCH, and I'd reckon ~20% w/, sounds like a good amount but mehhhhhhhh.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-03 23:59:15
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Rumaha said:
I don't even think SCH roll is really needed for conserve MP I mean I'm sure there are situation's but idk how many you will really come across, Can only have 2 rolls yea? So wouldn't Matk and Macc be better? I mean with the amount of MP refresh etc you can get Conserve MP might be meh, I think Wiki says lucky is like you get around ~10% w/o a SCH, and I'd reckon ~20% w/, sounds like a good amount but mehhhhhhhh.


It's not really essential but it's possibly the best for mages in merits, seeing as how you don't really get a chance to /heal so Healer's Roll would be pointless, and you can't do two Evoker's Rolls.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-04 00:01:34
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Enternius said:
Rumaha said:
You pick a situation, and say, what has the ability to preform better in this situation with x type of gear and x time etc.

In every situation, SCH will perform better due to its MP efficiency. That is to say, damage dealt per MP, or the mage equivalent of DoT.

Saying BLM is better because it gets higher nukes is like a DRK saying "holy ***i did 4000 damage with spiral hell but i had to do 20 500-damage ones before that happened".

Not exactly the same but it's the mage equivalent.

That being said, a MNK with good DoT will always beat a DRK with one good WS. And as such, a SCH would always beat a BLM.


Well, I see your point, but wouldn't DoT be DoT? :P As in BLM puts out harder nukes and can do more actually dmg faster no? I'd equate DMG per MP to... Well I really don't know, I'd probably just split DoT into 2 groups like DD w/ DoT swings and WS DMG, I guess BLM Win's in WS and SCH win's in DoT swings, Idk But also why do we always talk about thing's like we can only have one? >.>;; Let's have more then one of each lol. Situation varies like sometimes you just need to do a ***load of DMG fast, sometimes you need DMG over a longer period etc etc.
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-04 00:03:39
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Enternius said:
Rumaha said:
I don't even think SCH roll is really needed for conserve MP I mean I'm sure there are situation's but idk how many you will really come across, Can only have 2 rolls yea? So wouldn't Matk and Macc be better? I mean with the amount of MP refresh etc you can get Conserve MP might be meh, I think Wiki says lucky is like you get around ~10% w/o a SCH, and I'd reckon ~20% w/, sounds like a good amount but mehhhhhhhh.


It's not really essential but it's possibly the best for mages in merits, seeing as how you don't really get a chance to /heal so Healer's Roll would be pointless, and you can't do two Evoker's Rolls.


Very fair point, I would agree on that pretty much, oh wait, we forgot the fact the mage gets Corsairs roll :p Otherwise I would agree yes, the question then would be 1~2ish Tic refresh or that Conserve MP be better if you have a BRD etc etc.

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The "OH wait Cor roll" wasn't sarcasm I really remembered it mid type lol.
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By Siren.Enternius 2009-10-04 00:06:59
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Well, I see your point, but wouldn't DoT be DoT? :P As in BLM puts out harder nukes and can do more actually dmg faster no?

But that's just the thing. SCH has 20% Fast Cast base over BLM, so while BLM would do three 1600-damage nukes in a minute, SCH would do four 1400-damage nukes in a minute.
5600 (SCH) > 4800 (BLM)

And on top of that, SCH uses less MP in the process and has their own built-in form of Refresh to keep them going longer, so that while BLM only gets 6 nukes out of their MP, SCH can get 10-12, so in both situations, SCH wins.

That being said, BLM definitely wins per-nuke damage-wise.

And I'm not really arguing. I just don't think it's fair that people say "BLM is better than SCH because I don't know anything about SCH."
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By Bahamut.Rydiya 2009-10-04 00:13:07
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:x Yeah, as I just said to myself. Black Mage is best at Spike damage, whereas, Scholar is made for Damage over Time..
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By Bahamut.Rumaha 2009-10-04 00:14:35
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Enternius said:
Rumaha said:
Well, I see your point, but wouldn't DoT be DoT? :P As in BLM puts out harder nukes and can do more actually dmg faster no?

But that's just the thing. SCH has 20% Fast Cast base over BLM, so while BLM would do three 1600-damage nukes in a minute, SCH would do four 1400-damage nukes in a minute.
5600 (SCH) > 4800 (BLM)

And on top of that, SCH uses less MP in the process and has their own built-in form of Refresh to keep them going longer, so that while BLM only gets 6 nukes out of their MP, SCH can get 10-12, so in both situations, SCH wins.

That being said, BLM definitely wins per-nuke damage-wise.

And I'm not really arguing. I just don't think it's fair that people say "BLM is better than SCH because I don't know anything about SCH."


But, one the first point, doesn't the BLM stand less chance of being resisted? Wouldn't that even it out a bit more no? But while SCH has Subli, they can't get refresh which BLM will have kinda washes that no(Barring subli +'s)? There will generally be adequate support, again less support is a dif situation etc etc etc.

BLM also has access to Ga's again useful in different situation's etc etc etc(God I am just overusing that), there is really too much to consider to just outright say "SCH wins" because of resists and what not, that SCH could get half of those spells 1/2 resisted and then the BLM would win etc etc(there it goes again). Then again idc what the *** the job is, as long as ***gets done.

Edit**

I am stressing that point of "Idc what the job is, as long as it gets ***done" A timely and less stressful matter is always nice though, I also believe comparing jobs in this game is just so futile due to situation, player skill, mob, support etc etc etc etc etc etc.
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By Pandemonium.Eternaltriumph 2009-10-04 00:18:49
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Like i told Bart. When people spout off numbers, digits and percents (that btw are likely gotten from Wiki. Who we all know is ALWAYS a hundred and fourteen percent right!), I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks when was the last time they got to feel the soft caress of a woman's vagina.

Anyway, let it be known. I have ODST'd with Krizz duo on Legendary. He is officially a much better Warthog Driver than I, and I am much more accurate with the Gause Cannon than he is. Although, to be fair, my eratic driving might have something to do with his aim. D:
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SCH has literally 5 less skill than BLM at 75 and 2 less INT, easy to make up for with HQ gear or relic (SCH relic is some of the best in the game, by far), and on the topic that BLM can get better gear: It's true, but only slightly. The only major things BLM gets that SCH doesn't are Morrigan's and Sorcerer's Ring. You don't see many BLMs with Morrigan's currently, and for Sorc. Ring, SCH can just wear Omega or something to make up for the slightly lower M.ACC.

Edit: You could argue that Igqira/Genie body is an advantage to BLM but the mage ACP body parses right in between the two over time, though Genie is slightly better.
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:/ You'll notice I gave up with them.
I wish they wouldn't get like this, but what should you expect?
I wonder what happened to the g/f Ruma supposedly had.
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