FFXIAH Linkshell Ni

Eorzea Time
 
 
 
Language: JP EN FR DE
Version 3.1
New Items
users online
Forum » Everything Else » Undead » FFXIAH Linkshell Ni
FFXIAH Linkshell Ni
First Page 2 3 ... 14948 14949 14950 ... 18550 18551 18552
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 13:59:13
Link | Quote | Reply
 
With a new baby on the way, where is the capital for your business coming? What exactly is your business model? How will you present it for a loan? I mean, you will have to interact with loan officers. Will you give them the, "*** you! I do what I want!" attitude too? I doubt it if you want that start-up money.
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 13:59:22
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Oh my god this is hysterical.
how so?
 Bismarck.Flavin
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 1338
By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-22 14:00:34
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Oh my god this is hysterical.
how so?
Well if you don't know you should get your comprehension skills in check... I don't feel it's necassary to explain something that you should already know..
[+]
 Cerberus.Kalyna
Offline
Server: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 21615
By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-05-22 14:02:11
Link | Quote | Reply
 
They have a point, Jet. If you act towards your customers as you are doing right now, you won't make it.
[+]
 Ramuh.Urial
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Urial
Posts: 31068
By Ramuh.Urial 2012-05-22 14:04:18
Link | Quote | Reply
 
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.
[+]
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:04:53
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
LOL! Your point? See how that works?
oh you're not a guy, I shouldn't have expected you to understand that. /depressed now. edit: my point is that I'll be able to do what I want without becoming a tool, granted it would be easier to be one, I wouldn't be able to live with myself, basically I would be unhappy. I don't see how anyone suggests that people give up their principles to go the easy path. I made some bad choices earlier in life, and took a long time to "find myself" give me about 6-8 years and I'll be where I want to be.
edited myself so quoted.
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Actually... if you're actually in a physical location where your business is run and you have more employees than just yourself you will be required to wear some form of pants...
not necessarily, however starting out I plan to work from home, and I don't really see myself deviating from that plan even if I make a good bit of money, I'll just get a bigger home.
If you walk around the office with no pants on you'll be slapped with an epl claim so fast you won't know what hit you lol...
what part of that did you not comprehend?
Considering I was still posting this and your previous answer hadn't come up yet... lol...

how did it not come up yet, when you had quoted it directly?

Phoenix.Elspetta said: »
Jetackuu said: »

I understand completely what you've said, and I disagree that it has to be that way.

Insulting me proves nothing.

It's apparent that nobody here is even trying to understand what I was getting at and want to continue on their conceived notions of what I was trying to say however.
I would like to point out that most people have been trying to speak to you logically and ask you questions, and you have resulted to insults first. So don't be surprised when the insults start flying back in your general direction.

We are trying to understand what you are getting at and we are not getting it, hence the reasons we keep asking more questions. Each of us works in the business world and I personally do not cave on my principles to get my job done. That is why I am trying to figure out exactly what your principles are. The only thing I have gotten out of you is that you don't think you should have to be courteous of others. To me that is not principle related at all.

Someday you plan to own your own business designing electronics. Who do you plan to sell these designs/products to? Are you going to sell them yourself or have a sales team? I'm going to guess you would go the sales team route, because you HAVE to kiss *** to sell things. That is the cold, hard truth. Sales people have to make the customer want their product and if you talk at people instead of with them, they will not want to do business with you.

Where have I insulted anyone in this discussion? little logic has been used in retorts against me.

The principle of thinking competency is less important than a fake smile, which everyone took to extremes, instead of taking it for the practical statement it was.

I was debating on exactly how to accomplish the latter still, however I have more time to work on it. I will probably ask my prof. how he does it.
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 14:06:27
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.

Is it a salinated pool?
 Bismarck.Flavin
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 1338
By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-22 14:07:23
Link | Quote | Reply
 
I'm making a lot of assumptions here but if he's going to be "designing electronics" and he would be his only employee... that would most likely mean that he would be selling the design to some corporation... He wouldn't have a huge market there... Either way his work would be for naught because he believes in the freedom of information so they would just obtain his designs online and use them to make a different version that they could design/market/distrubute themselves and just cut him out...
[+]
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:07:49
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
With a new baby on the way, where is the capital for your business coming? What exactly is your business model? How will you present it for a loan? I mean, you will have to interact with loan officers. Will you give them the, "*** you! I do what I want!" attitude too? I doubt it if you want that start-up money.

Fortunately it doesn't take much, won't need a loan.

Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »
Oh my god this is hysterical.
how so?
Well if you don't know you should get your comprehension skills in check... I don't feel it's necassary to explain something that you should already know..

my comprehension skills are fine, above fine actually, I understood what he implied, it's just not funny.


Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Normally this would have stopped by now, but we're 51 pages away from 15,000. So I'm gonna let it slide this time.

damn, you gave away the secret dude...

Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
They have a point, Jet. If you act towards your customers as you are doing right now, you won't make it.

how am I acting? was having a discussion and others started getting rude, I agreed to disagree and then I started getting attacked.

I'll be fine though.
 Phoenix.Elspetta
Offline
Server: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
user: Elspetta
Posts: 1670
By Phoenix.Elspetta 2012-05-22 14:08:14
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.

So cute! Now I want to buy one for my little beasts!
[+]
 Bismarck.Flavin
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 1338
By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-22 14:08:23
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy. So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog... WTF.
How many times do you have to let us know that your parents are getting a schwankyyyy pool? lol...

hey gotta earn your swim time somehow...
[+]
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 14:09:42
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
Where have I insulted anyone in this discussion? little logic has been used in retorts against me.

The principle of thinking competency is less important than a fake smile, which everyone took to extremes, instead of taking it for the practical statement it was.

I was debating on exactly how to accomplish the latter still, however I have more time to work on it. I will probably ask my prof. how he does it.

Insinuating that we're "corporate tools" for knowing what cooperation is, for one.

You don't seem to understand how simplistic this is. Nobody is telling you to roll over and lay prostrate!
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:11:20
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
I'm making a lot of assumptions here but if he's going to be "designing electronics" and he would be his only employee... that would most likely mean that he would be selling the design to some corporation... He wouldn't have a huge market there... Either way his work would be for naught because he believes in the freedom of information so they would just obtain his designs online and use them to make a different version that they could design/market/distrubute themselves and just cut him out...

that was an idea, and there's a difference between freedom of information for the end user and for profit, as long as somebody isn't profiting from my designs (which would have to be released somehow anyway, aka sold) so no, although they probably would try, and then they'll be sued like every other corporation is.

Now if somebody were to find a way to use my devices for other purposes, and released the information to the public domain, as long as they weren't profiting idc.

I do hope you see the difference.
 Ramuh.Urial
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Urial
Posts: 31068
By Ramuh.Urial 2012-05-22 14:11:38
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy. So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog... WTF.
How many times do you have to let us know that your parents are getting a schwankyyyy pool? lol...

hey gotta earn your swim time somehow...
I'm more wtf over the fact that they are making me order the life jacket.
I say shwanky every time because every time I hear about it I find more details that make me just think WTF how much is this thing costing. Sorry to waste so much of your valued time...
 Phoenix.Elspetta
Offline
Server: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
user: Elspetta
Posts: 1670
By Phoenix.Elspetta 2012-05-22 14:11:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Quote:
then I started getting attacked.
LOL you started the attacking by implying everyone was tools for conforming to societal norms in the business world.

I honestly don't think you even realize how abrasive you are. And the majority of the time, all you are saying is you disagree because of your principles, but we still have no clue what those principles are.
[+]
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 14:12:04
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
With a new baby on the way, where is the capital for your business coming? What exactly is your business model? How will you present it for a loan? I mean, you will have to interact with loan officers. Will you give them the, "*** you! I do what I want!" attitude too? I doubt it if you want that start-up money.

Fortunately it doesn't take much, won't need a loan.

Okay. Tell me that when the bundle comes along. :)
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:12:59
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Where have I insulted anyone in this discussion? little logic has been used in retorts against me.

The principle of thinking competency is less important than a fake smile, which everyone took to extremes, instead of taking it for the practical statement it was.

I was debating on exactly how to accomplish the latter still, however I have more time to work on it. I will probably ask my prof. how he does it.

Insinuating that we're "corporate tools" for knowing what cooperation is, for one.

You don't seem to understand how simplistic this is. Nobody is telling you to roll over and lay prostrate!

I said that people who give up their ideals to conform are tools, isn't that the definition of a "tool" when it's used in this context?

I never insulted cooperation, and actually you were.
 Ramuh.Urial
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Urial
Posts: 31068
By Ramuh.Urial 2012-05-22 14:14:23
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.

Is it a salinated pool?
Think so.
Not sure on all that stuff.
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:14:47
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Phoenix.Elspetta said: »
Quote:
then I started getting attacked.
LOL you started the attacking by implying everyone was tools for conforming to societal norms in the business world.

I honestly don't think you even realize how abrasive you are. And the majority of the time, all you are saying is you disagree because of your principles, but we still have no clue what those principles are.

see the other post I commented on how this wasn't an insult, definition =/= insulting.

I already stated what they are...
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 14:15:29
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
I said that people who give up their ideals to conform are tools, isn't that the definition of a "tool" when it's used in this context?

I never insulted cooperation, and actually you were.

WHAT?!? LOL! All of us have been telling you that cooperation, courteousness, and teamwork are essential!

/facepalm
 Bismarck.Flavin
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 1338
By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-22 14:16:02
Link | Quote | Reply
 
..
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy. So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog... WTF.
How many times do you have to let us know that your parents are getting a schwankyyyy pool? lol... hey gotta earn your swim time somehow...
I'm more wtf over the fact that they are making me order the life jacket. I say shwanky every time because every time I hear about it I find more details that make me just think WTF how much is this thing costing. Sorry to waste so much of your valued time...
eh... Don't think my time has been valued yet... but it isn't very valuable so it's not really wasted lol...
 Caitsith.Zahrah
Offline
Server: Caitsith
Game: FFXI
user: zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2012-05-22 14:17:35
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.

Is it a salinated pool?
Think so.
Not sure on all that stuff.

It's great! My parents have one. The salt water keeps the water nice and clear without chemicals. It doesn't make you feel gritty when you get out either.
Offline
Posts: 42750
By Jetackuu 2012-05-22 14:17:36
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
With a new baby on the way, where is the capital for your business coming? What exactly is your business model? How will you present it for a loan? I mean, you will have to interact with loan officers. Will you give them the, "*** you! I do what I want!" attitude too? I doubt it if you want that start-up money.

Fortunately it doesn't take much, won't need a loan.

Okay. Tell me that when the bundle comes along. :)

if the site is still up, sure.

It's really a matter of finding the time between work+school+life to do it, as unfortunately I don't want to take out the student loans to cover education without having to work too, although it may not be such a bad idea.
 Phoenix.Elspetta
Offline
Server: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
user: Elspetta
Posts: 1670
By Phoenix.Elspetta 2012-05-22 14:18:06
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
see the other post I commented on how this wasn't an insult, definition =/= insulting.

I already stated what they are...

Just to point out the obvious. Multiple people misinterpreted what you wrote. Typically that is because of how the writer (you) presents themselves to the audience (us). This is what this entire conversation started with. You need to know your audience and adapt your style to work with them.
[+]
 Ramuh.Urial
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Urial
Posts: 31068
By Ramuh.Urial 2012-05-22 14:18:29
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Are you kidding me.
Not only does this company make doggy life jackets...


They also make dog backpacks...


Lets be honest, if you get that YOU'RE lazy for making your dog carry ***since they have not wayto access the bag.
 Bismarck.Magnuss
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 28615
By Bismarck.Magnuss 2012-05-22 14:19:15
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Are these the same people who make thongs for 2 year olds?
 Ramuh.Urial
Offline
Server: Ramuh
Game: FFXI
user: Urial
Posts: 31068
By Ramuh.Urial 2012-05-22 14:20:08
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Ramuh.Urial said: »
OKay so my parents pool is supposed to be done in like 3 weeks...yeah I know they just started it 2 weeks ago and it's shwankyyyyyyyyyy.

So since it's almost done I got the dask of ordering a life jacket...for their dog...
WTF.

Is it a salinated pool?
Think so.
Not sure on all that stuff.

It's great! My parents have one. The salt water keeps the water nice and clear without chemicals. It doesn't make you feel gritty when you get out either.

Yeah better for you and less maintenance. That's why my parents went with it.
[+]
 Bismarck.Flavin
Offline
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
user: Flavin
Posts: 1338
By Bismarck.Flavin 2012-05-22 14:20:20
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Flavin said: »
I'm making a lot of assumptions here but if he's going to be "designing electronics" and he would be his only employee... that would most likely mean that he would be selling the design to some corporation... He wouldn't have a huge market there... Either way his work would be for naught because he believes in the freedom of information so they would just obtain his designs online and use them to make a different version that they could design/market/distrubute themselves and just cut him out...
that was an idea, and there's a difference between freedom of information for the end user and for profit, as long as somebody isn't profiting from my designs (which would have to be released somehow anyway, aka sold) so no, although they probably would try, and then they'll be sued like every other corporation is. Now if somebody were to find a way to use my devices for other purposes, and released the information to the public domain, as long as they weren't profiting idc. I do hope you see the difference.
You said there should be freedom of information and that the information obtained creates innovation and competition... If you notice I didn't say steal your design and use it for profit... I was saying that they would obtain all the information on it and then use it to design their own and leave you out in the cold lol...
[+]
 Odin.Liela
Offline
Server: Odin
Game: FFXI
user: Liela
Posts: 10191
By Odin.Liela 2012-05-22 14:21:58
Link | Quote | Reply
 
Uh... filibuster time?









[+]
First Page 2 3 ... 14948 14949 14950 ... 18550 18551 18552