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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-07-19 14:55:00
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Oh noes! Which side should I choose then?!
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-07-19 14:59:31
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You would just deny the entire thing. Since minorities and oppressed people can't possibly be racist or homophobic.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-07-19 15:11:05
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Thanks for formulating my opinion for me based entirely on your preconceived notions of what a librul would say. How enlightened of you!
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-19 15:20:53
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Oh noes! Which side should I choose then?!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-07-19 15:22:28
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Thanks for formulating my opinion for me based entirely on your preconceived notions of what a librul would say. How enlightened of you!

You know he must be some supreme being! His ideas of not only minorities and LGBTers are almost as profound as his opinions on women, economics, and history.

Avert your eyes!!! We must not gaze upon him! We must only take in the effervescent, loving messages that he imparts on us mere mortals, and behold the awesome glory that is the Saevel!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-19 15:33:14
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I dunno what you guys are flailing on about. The usual LIBRULS and CONSERVATIVZ mindset purges any nuance simply to attack strawmen nonsense I see. How I wish to live in monochrome.

The black community has taken this case to heart because discrimination is a very real issue backed by statistics and a culture of incarceration, ignorance, death and apathy by the powers that be. The whole thing is so much more than just TM or GZ at this point. Anyone who is honest enough to look at the situation beyond emotions would easily concede that the community also has its own housecleaning issues to take care of. It isn't all an outward problem.

Racism is both a structural entity and an individual belief system. Of course blacks, hispanics and asians can be racist but none of those groups hold the power in the United States and so the argument is moot.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2013-07-19 15:38:50
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
You would just deny the entire thing. Since minorities and oppressed people can't possibly be racist or homophobic.

...meh that's what he does, I am not surprised either.

I did hear her speak those (broken) words in that interview. She also insisted that "cracka" was "a police, like a security guard" and that "nig*a" was just simply "a male", and had nothing to do with race.

She said she had spoken to him that night and told him (which I must paraphrase) that the guy following him might be a gay rapist, and that he should run away from that.

Treyvon instead choose to confront Zimmerman, and we all know how that turned out. Treyvon was apparently a homophob.

Oh libs, I can only imagine how torn you are. Which side do you choose? Racial oppression or gay oppression?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2013-07-19 15:43:35
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"Yes. Definitely. After I say, “Might be a rapist.” For every boys or every man, every who’s not that kinda way, see a grown man following them, would they be creep out? So you gotta take as a parent. You tell a child, “You see a grown person follow it you, run away,” and all that"

Her words verbatim from the interview.

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-07-19 15:44:03
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You guys are just the absolute cutest when you think you have a point.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2013-07-19 15:48:40
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So she isn't saying he was creeped out when she told him Zimmerman might be gay?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-07-19 16:08:57
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I dunno what you guys are flailing on about. The usual LIBRULS and CONSERVATIVZ mindset purges any nuance simply to attack strawmen nonsense I see. How I wish to live in monochrome.

The black community has taken this case to heart because discrimination is a very real issue backed by statistics and a culture of incarceration, ignorance, death and apathy by the powers that be. The whole thing is so much more than just TM or GZ at this point. Anyone who is honest enough to look at the situation beyond emotions would easily concede that the community also has its own housecleaning issues to take care of. It isn't all an outward problem.

Racism is both a structural entity and an individual belief system. Of course blacks, hispanics and asians can be racist but none of those groups hold the power in the United States and so the argument is moot.


And this is VERY dangerous thinking. The NAACP most certainly has great power. So much power that they forced a trial into what was otherwise a typical self defense case just because one person was black. They can lie and make false statements without any fear of retribution.

They have so much power that they've convinced a rather large segment of the population that a "white guy" (about as white as our president) should go to jail because a "12yo black kid" was killed.

You guys have already demonstrated that you would convict GZ based solely on him being "white" or rather "not-black". Details, circumstances and legal requirements are just hindrances that shouldn't apply to you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-07-19 16:32:29
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I dunno what you guys are flailing on about. The usual LIBRULS and CONSERVATIVZ mindset purges any nuance simply to attack strawmen nonsense I see. How I wish to live in monochrome.

The black community has taken this case to heart because discrimination is a very real issue backed by statistics and a culture of incarceration, ignorance, death and apathy by the powers that be. The whole thing is so much more than just TM or GZ at this point. Anyone who is honest enough to look at the situation beyond emotions would easily concede that the community also has its own housecleaning issues to take care of. It isn't all an outward problem.

Racism is both a structural entity and an individual belief system. Of course blacks, hispanics and asians can be racist but none of those groups hold the power in the United States and so the argument is moot.


And this is VERY dangerous thinking. The NAACP most certainly has great power. So much power that they forced a trial into what was otherwise a typical self defense case just because one person was black. They can lie and make false statements without any fear of retribution.

They have so much power that they've convinced a rather large segment of the population that a "white guy" (about as white as our president) should go to jail because a "12yo black kid" was killed.

You guys have already demonstrated that you would convict GZ based solely on him being "white" or rather "not-black". Details, circumstances and legal requirements are just hindrances that shouldn't apply to you.
Plus, don't forget that the Black Panthers, a highly racist group of people, can make public threats televised on national TV and not only get ignored, but also honored by our current administration. Plus, if Zimmerman does get killed because of this, they will not be prosecuted at all, even though it was a gun with not only the fingerprints of a Black Panther member who just happened to get $10,000 (tax-free of course), but also the gun had the logo of the said Black Panther gang on it too.

...yeah, they have no power at all.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-19 16:38:30
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Wait, now its the NAACP that forced this to trial? Not the media who whipped the story into an innocent black youth being gunned down by a racist, veil wearing, hate-mongering George Zimmerman? Public outcry coupled with the media took this case to trial. If the media didn't decide to cover this story no amount of NAACP bleating would have changed the outcome of no one giving a ***. Sharpton, Jackson et al merely follow where the noise is. They are the self-proclaimed ambulance chasers after all.

The reason the population split the way it does is because we have underlying racial tensions in this country looking for any excuse to surface and alot of it is emotional. As I said before, the evidence did not convict GZ and the legal system did its job on that level.

What is up for debate is the statistics and a culture that debases and devalues black men in this country. It goes beyond Trayvon as he was merely a seventeen year pawn caught up in a struggle far above his pay grade. His death is the catalyst for an ongoing tug of war.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-19 16:43:53
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Plus, don't forget that the Black Panthers, a highly racist group of people, can make public threats televised on national TV and not only get ignored, but also honored by our current administration. Plus, if Zimmerman does get killed because of this, they will not be prosecuted at all, even though it was a gun with not only the fingerprints of a Black Panther member who just happened to get $10,000 (tax-free of course), but also the gun had the logo of the said Black Panther gang on it too.

...yeah, they have no power at all.

Because the New Black Panthers speak for Black Americans? They are summarily dismissed after they make their nationalistic, hate-filled diatribe every time and their bounty on Zimmerman holds as much water as me offering 10k for the head of Tanaka.

They wouldn't be prosecuted if they touched a hair on Zimmerman's head? LOL, what are you smoking. They'd be in jail in no time and whatever FBI file is out on them would be thrown immediately into play. What? You don't think a hate group like the NBPs aren't being monitored?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-07-19 16:49:20
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Plus, don't forget that the Black Panthers, a highly racist group of people, can make public threats televised on national TV and not only get ignored, but also honored by our current administration. Plus, if Zimmerman does get killed because of this, they will not be prosecuted at all, even though it was a gun with not only the fingerprints of a Black Panther member who just happened to get $10,000 (tax-free of course), but also the gun had the logo of the said Black Panther gang on it too.

...yeah, they have no power at all.

Because the New Black Panthers speak for Black Americans? They are summarily dismissed after they make their nationalistic, hate-filled diatribe every time and their bounty on Zimmerman holds as much water as me offering 10k for the head of Tanaka.

They wouldn't be prosecuted if they touched a hair on Zimmerman's head? LOL, what are you smoking. They'd be in jail in no time and whatever FBI file is out on them would be thrown immediately into play. What? You don't think a hate group like the NBPs aren't being monitored?

To be honest, I believe that they would get off by a technicality made by the DoJ, because if the Black Panthers get into trouble, there goes a lot of votes for a certain president, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

....don't tell me that the DoJ doesn't play politics....

I'm sure that ANYONE, and I do mean ANYONE who makes a threat on a black guy would not only be arrested, but also charged with anything they did back in elementary school. But, we have a group of people calling out for the death of a Mexican/White guy, and nothing happens. Even if nobody pays attention to the BPs, they still broke the law, seriously, and nothing is done. You think that is "fair"?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-19 16:55:25
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Again, the New Black Panthers are the Westboro Baptist Church of the black community. They wield little influence, they shout and make threats yet have little traction regarding their racist agenda.

Paper tigers.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-19 17:03:15
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If I remember correctly, the max number of terms a president can have is 2? Iunno why people are making the argument that this would "affect votes for the president" or "would look bad for his campaign"? He's out of office in 2016, votes will only matter for the next presidential monkeys.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-19 17:37:14
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You're not doing the fight for equality any favors when you do it under the banner of a case where you are objectively so very, very wrong.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-07-19 19:28:15
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I dunno what you guys are flailing on about. The usual LIBRULS and CONSERVATIVZ mindset purges any nuance simply to attack strawmen nonsense I see. How I wish to live in monochrome.

The black community has taken this case to heart because discrimination is a very real issue backed by statistics and a culture of incarceration, ignorance, death and apathy by the powers that be. The whole thing is so much more than just TM or GZ at this point. Anyone who is honest enough to look at the situation beyond emotions would easily concede that the community also has its own housecleaning issues to take care of. It isn't all an outward problem.

Racism is both a structural entity and an individual belief system. Of course blacks, hispanics and asians can be racist but none of those groups hold the power in the United States and so the argument is moot.

I think those statistics are a matter of geography from a Century of living in densely populated Democratic strongholds we call cities. Where they've kept poor people herded and dependent on the government or crime for survival with little opportunity to earn an honest living and/or escape. Cities where they sell the poor out to the Unions that empower them. See Detroit. Chicago. San Diego. And so on and so on. The populations of inner cities is disproportionally black. It will take another century to undo all of this damage, but it won't be racism that perpetuates it. It is just an extremely deep and complex problem.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2013-07-19 20:55:10
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Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
If I remember correctly, the max number of terms a president can have is 2? Iunno why people are making the argument that this would "affect votes for the president" or "would look bad for his campaign"? He's out of office in 2016, votes will only matter for the next presidential monkeys.
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him.

We know that he will do this because this wouldn't be the first time he disregarded the constitution to suit his own political needs. Look at him delaying the employer mandate on Obamacare until after the midterms, so he can keep certain liberal Senate members in office. Plus, he knows this is a trainwreck, but he still wants to force this down our throats.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-07-22 09:52:41
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
If I remember correctly, the max number of terms a president can have is 2? Iunno why people are making the argument that this would "affect votes for the president" or "would look bad for his campaign"? He's out of office in 2016, votes will only matter for the next presidential monkeys.
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him. We know that he will do this because this wouldn't be the first time he disregarded the constitution to suit his own political needs. Look at him delaying the employer mandate on Obamacare until after the midterms, so he can keep certain liberal Senate members in office. Plus, he knows this is a trainwreck, but he still wants to force this down our throats.
Is this post for real?
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By Lakshmi.Greggles 2013-07-22 10:45:43
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »
If I remember correctly, the max number of terms a president can have is 2? Iunno why people are making the argument that this would "affect votes for the president" or "would look bad for his campaign"? He's out of office in 2016, votes will only matter for the next presidential monkeys.
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him.

We know that he will do this because this wouldn't be the first time he disregarded the constitution to suit his own political needs. Look at him delaying the employer mandate on Obamacare until after the midterms, so he can keep certain liberal Senate members in office. Plus, he knows this is a trainwreck, but he still wants to force this down our throats.

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By Bahamut.Milamber 2013-07-22 13:18:01
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him.
Um. Ad hominem and all, but if you are being serious, you may need to re-evaluate about how well you are connected with reality.

On a depressing side note, "hominem" is flagged as misspelled in Chrome, with "Eminem" as the suggested word.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
We know that he will do this because this wouldn't be the first time he disregarded the constitution to suit his own political needs. Look at him delaying the employer mandate on Obamacare until after the midterms, so he can keep certain liberal Senate members in office. Plus, he knows this is a trainwreck, but he still wants to force this down our throats.

Seriously? NSA spying, killing of US citizens without trial or conviction in absentia? And you are pissed off about Obamacare?
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-07-22 14:01:08
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-07-22 17:01:17
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him.

this must be a hannity or limbaugh talking point, I've heard yahoos in my office give me this theory totally striaghtfaced. I did not bother to hide my amusement.
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-23 06:23:17
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Because we all know that he will just sign an executive action stating he is president for live, as long as he keeps getting re-elected. Then when he loses (meaning he doesn't have the liberal and black vote anymore), he will just sign another executive action stating that he is king and we all must bow to him.
Um. Ad hominem and all, but if you are being serious, you may need to re-evaluate about how well you are connected with reality.

On a depressing side note, "hominem" is flagged as misspelled in Chrome, with "Eminem" as the suggested word.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
We know that he will do this because this wouldn't be the first time he disregarded the constitution to suit his own political needs. Look at him delaying the employer mandate on Obamacare until after the midterms, so he can keep certain liberal Senate members in office. Plus, he knows this is a trainwreck, but he still wants to force this down our throats.

Seriously? NSA spying, killing of US citizens without trial or conviction in absentia? And you are pissed off about Obamacare?

they eat whatever Fox feeds them, don't ya know?
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-23 06:25:24
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I still can't figure out the "self identifies as Hispanic" line the media keeps portraying.

for the media and the judge being against him, and still being found not guilty, it must really sting for certain groups.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-07-23 19:44:02
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Jetackuu said: »
I still can't figure out the "self identifies as Hispanic" line the media keeps portraying.

for the media and the judge being against him, and still being found not guilty, it must really sting for certain groups.

Their trying to push that he's "white". GZ is about as much "white" as Obama is.

Liberal media portraying GZ as "hispanic" would mean he was a minority and according to liberal reasoning minorities can not oppress people. So because they want to believe GZ was oppressing TM, they can't possibly accept that GZ was a minority.

Mental gymnastics.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-07-23 19:50:20
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Their trying to push that he's "white". GZ is about as much "white" as Obama is.

Liberal media portraying GZ as "hispanic" would mean he was a minority and according to liberal reasoning minorities can not oppress people. So because they want to believe GZ was oppressing TM, they can't possibly accept that GZ was a minority.

Mental gymnastics.
Where do you even get this garbage from?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-07-23 19:51:11
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from reality probably
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