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By Kimble2013 2013-07-14 16:40:22
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Seriously, I agree with the sentiment of "I don't want to kill him but he needs to get away", but warning shots are illegal for a reason: they don't kill the target, but it's really, really easy for them to hurt someone that's unrelated to the incident.
So shoot the person instead? Even if you just want them to *** off? Shooting a warning shot anywhere not up or down seems kinda stupid but what do I know.
It seems basically any time you draw a weapon it should be to kill even if you're simply defending yourself then.
If you want them to *** off, you brandish a baseball bat, not a gun. The gun is used when you know you're in danger and could be in a situation where you have to permanently stop a target.
On the emphasized, it's not even safe to shoot up or down. You'd be shocked what there is in your house, in the ground that'll cause a ricochet into your neighbors house, your kids' room, whatever.
But basically, the bolded. If you're getting ready to draw the gun, you have to get ready to kill.
A baseball bat doesn't carry the show of force that a gun does, especially in the hands of a woman when put beside a man who isn't afraid of said woman to begin with.
It isn't as easy to shoot your husband as you guys are making it. There are emotions involved and perhaps a sincere desire to resolve the situation without dialing up the violence to kill. But hey, given the result she should have double tapped him.
couldnt she have also like, went to the police and file charges against him?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-07-14 16:47:52
Quote: n Aug. 1, 2010, Alexander was working for a payroll software company. She was estranged from her husband, Rico Gray, and had a restraining order against him, even though they'd had a baby together just nine days before. Thinking he was gone, she went to their former home to retrieve the rest of her clothes, family members said.
An argument ensued, and Alexander said she feared for her life when she went out to her vehicle and retrieved the gun she legally owned. She came back inside and ended up firing a shot into the wall, which ricocheted into the ceiling.
Gray testified that he saw Alexander point the gun at him and looked away before she fired the shot. He claims she was the aggressor, and he had begged her to put away the weapon.
A judge threw out Alexander's "stand your ground" self-defense claim, noting that she could have run out of the house to escape her husband but instead got the gun and went back inside. Alexander rejected a plea deal that would have resulted in a three-year prison sentence and chose to go to trial. A jury deliberated 12 minutes before convicting her.
Bolded: Her mistake.
You are afraid yet double back to get a gun to then warning shot your husband? Wat.
Either way, it wasn't worth the 20 years given but hey, heavy handed sentence away~
By Blazed1979 2013-07-14 17:12:53
By marivell 2013-07-14 17:39:59
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/07/05/guy-turcotte-trial-quebec_n_890343.html
We have some, here, aswell.... even after a few years it's still painful, as I was working with this man and his ex-wife.
But like Kimble says, laws are laws, and you need undeniable proofs to convict someone; if they have a doubt, even the lesser, on the intention to kill, then they HAVE to say not guilty.
... but I know sometimes it seems very unfair, we have the feeling young lives were taken away from us without someone paying for this terrible crime.
We just wish to move on, and forget. And pray that society will never forget either and learn from the mistakes we are all responsible for, somehow.
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By Siren.Piccollo 2013-07-14 18:09:50
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.
simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.
In the USA there is this thing called due process. Unfortunately we have to enforce laws as their written using established precedents. I know it sucks that we can't just toss people in jail for what we feel should be a law. umm what ?
i didnt say zimmerman was guilty or not infact i gave a fairly unbiased view making sure to point out this wouldent have happened if not for gun being readily available to all.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2013-07-14 19:07:34
I have actually kept up with this case and its handling by the media since i first heard of it, (im from the uk btw), and in my oppinion while it seems zimmerman was defending himself he should not have been carrying a gun anyway and personally feel this is the main reason for this case = illigal to carry guns except single shot rifles in cases ect and there should be no situation where a citizen should be carrying a concealed / loaded weapon.
If you had real gun regulations not just the well a old granny should have a gun so she can protect herself from a 20 year old with a gun kind of argument as in reality nowhere in the world has as much of a problem as the usa when it comes to guns murders and white on black racism.
simply you need to disarm the masses and stop telling black folks that they are criminals and different from everyone else.
In the USA there is this thing called due process. Unfortunately we have to enforce laws as their written using established precedents. I know it sucks that we can't just toss people in jail for what we feel should be a law. umm what ?
i didnt say zimmerman was guilty or not infact i gave a fairly unbiased view making sure to point out this wouldent have happened if not for gun being readily available to all.
You don't know the real cause of the problems in the USA "White on Black Racism" is such a small percentage of murders in this country. A majority are black on black in the inner city and in a majority of cases the people doing the killing get weapons on the black market.
It's foolish to think that disarming a population will cut down on crime. Look at how your violent crime rate is soaring.
I mean it worked so well in Chicago and Washington D.C. didn't it lol..
You say there is no situation where a law abiding citizen should be carrying. That is a bunch of horse crap. In your own country muggings, stabbings, and rapes would not be as bad as they are. Also if a citizen was carrying a weapon he could have stopped those savages from killing and decapitating one of your nations finest. But the logic of your own leadership is so flawed it does not even grant every officer on patrol to carry a sidearm. It was a joke watching the U.K. riots while the police couldn't even stop it.
It makes me glad we are not part of the U.K. and actually have a constitutional republic. Our country's freedoms are not about needs, or what other people's opinions are. They are rights granted upon birth that nobody can take from us.
Also we go into the matter of NEED again..
Nobody NEEDS a Venom GT that can go over 275mph, but who the hell am I to tell them otherwise.
Having the means to defend one-self is very important. In fact even data from a study requested by our own president proves that it helps many people (contrary to what he expected.)
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 19:15:36
umm what ?
i didnt say zimmerman was guilty or not infact i gave a fairly unbiased view making sure to point out this wouldent have happened if not for gun being readily available to all. We get it, you don't want Americans to have guns because of that whole 1776 thing...
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 19:28:57
Quote: After interviewing nearly three dozen people in the George Zimmerman murder case, the FBI found no evidence that racial bias was a motivating factor in the shooting of Trayvon Martin, records released Thursday show.
Even the lead detective in the case, Sanford Det. Chris Serino, told agents that he thought Zimmerman profiled Trayvon because of his attire and the circumstances — but not his race.
Serino saw Zimmerman as “having little hero complex, but not as a racist.”
The Duval County State Attorney released another collection of evidence in the Zimmerman murder case Thursday, including reports from FBI agents who investigated whether any racial bias was involved in Trayvon’s Feb. 26 killing.
Several co-workers said they had never seen Zimmerman display any prejudice or racial bias.
Two co-workers told agents they spoke with Zimmerman the day after the shooting, and both said they noticed injuries to Zimmerman’s nose and the back of his head. One person said Zimmerman was “absolutely devastated.”
Zimmerman told both colleagues that he followed Martin — whom Zimmerman described as a “suspicious person” — so he could tell police where the teen went, but was then “jumped” by Martin. Zimmerman told both that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun before Zimmerman shot Martin.
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By Jetackuu 2013-07-14 20:44:01
still trying to figure out how this is being made into a gun or race thing...
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2013-07-14 21:13:57
still trying to figure out how this is being made into a gun or race thing... Because most people are babies who aren't ready for solid food. Let's keep pretending oppression is significant and one-way only.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-07-14 22:07:01
I posed for this one awhile back
By Fumiku 2013-07-14 23:49:56
For me I have two issues with this case. The first is that fact that people make the biggest dumb *** conclusions without people knowing what the facts were.
The second is the media! I have to watch 3 different news stations just to get the facts. I cannot stand watching a news stations that gives their opinions. STOP PAINTING THE NEWS! Just show the portrait!
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By Squish 2013-07-15 08:29:34
Curious now that it has been a day, if tempers on both sides have subsided and can people have honest productive conversation about this?
By Fumiku 2013-07-15 09:14:18
Curious now that it has been a day, if tempers on both sides have subsided and can people have honest productive conversation about this?
Any level headed person that is on the side of Justice, Yes. If they are a Zimmerman supporter or Martin Supporter, no......
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-07-15 10:02:09
Leviathan.Kincard said: »
I have a question about this map and maybe someone can point me to the answer.
If GZ got out of his truck to check the house number and street he was on, why was his altercation with TM behind the houses on another path? Did anyone clarify this during the trial?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-07-15 10:35:44
Lookout! Columbo is on the case.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-15 10:38:55
It's kinda funny, people wonder why racism and such continues and is made such a big deal.
Racism on TV?!
Racism = spectacle = have to watch more stupidity = ratings = money.
It won't go away, sadly. The Circle of Stupid. :|
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-15 10:40:16
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Lookout! Columbo is on the case. 
Because no matter what you do, the yogurt is gonna get you.
And I know it's spelled differently, just was the first thing I thought of when I read that. XD
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-07-15 10:52:48
Yogurt is the source of Michael Weston's power!
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-15 10:55:15
Iunno.. I would placed my chips on Perry Mason this round.
By Drjones 2013-07-15 11:06:21
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »I posed for this one awhile back
Can we agree to get rid of people then?
On topic: I don't understand why I'm supposed to be outraged at the outcome of this trial.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2013-07-15 11:11:16
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Iunno.. I would placed my chips on Perry Mason this round.
Prefer "murder she wrote," although when I watched it as an adult I
thought Jessica (think that was her name) was super annoying.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Lookout! Columbo is on the case. Questions are bad. I should just parrot msnbc or fox and never ask if something was clarified.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-07-15 11:24:18
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Lookout! Columbo is on the case. Questions are bad. I should just parrot msnbc or fox and never ask if something was clarified. Just form your own opinion and ignore facts.. everyone else has and look how that's turned out.
:D
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-15 13:39:44
have a question about this map and maybe someone can point me to the answer.
If GZ got out of his truck to check the house number and street he was on, why was his altercation with TM behind the houses on another path? Did anyone clarify this during the trial?
As I recall, his story is that he got out of the car while he was still on the phone (Well, you can hear this in the call). He could not see any numbers (night, raining, etc), so he decided to cut across to the end of that T-section so he could find a street sign. There, he hung up the phone. He then began walking back to his car which was on the other side of the T-section, and halfway going there he said Trayvon approached him saying "Do you have a problem?", etc etc then Trayvon broke his nose.
The timetable of the phone calls that I posted along with that map corroborates with his story.
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By Bismarck.Aselin 2013-07-15 16:37:08
http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/powerful-cartoon-captures-the-fears-of-many-parents-of-non-w
The new America?
Parents should take care of what their children wear and their mannerisms from now on?
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-07-15 18:00:01
Even if parents don't care about their children's clothing and demeanor maybe they should be concerned about if their child is the type of person to go punch a guy in the nose and slam their heads on the sidewalk. What bothers me about almost all of these political cartoons is that they're constantly assuming that the victim was acting like a innocent angel the whole time (I've seen one where Martin was drawn as a literal child...seriously)
I've been stopped in my neighborhood before, because I was out jogging and not even acting particularly suspicious.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2013-07-15 18:39:32
This article explains the resulting verdict PERFECTLY.
The key paragraphs:
Quote: .... But the jury in Sanford was not instructed to consider extraneous details that have obsessed the rest of us. “In deciding whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you must judge him by the circumstances by which he was surrounded at the time the force was used.”
At the time. And the jurors were told, “The danger facing George Zimmerman need not have been actual, however, to justify the use of deadly force.” Only that, in his head, he believed that the danger was real.
As I have said before, the magic words that permit murder in stand your ground states are "I felt threatened."
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By Ragnarok.Beef 2013-07-15 18:56:01
Leviathan.Kincard said: »...Because looking for someone of a particular description in a particular area is the same thing as going around randomly arresting white guys because white killers exist? Might as well call any police searches based on what a man looks like racist, or people looking for a woman perpetrator by stopping females sexist.
I suppose I wasn't clear enough, but I've never heard of anyone being followed around when serial killers are on the loose in the area. I don't mean any white guy in the world, I mean the facts show that most serial killers are middle aged white males. So if serial murders start to happen around Washington D.C. do they automatically start following around middle aged white males that fit the description of a serial killer in D.C.?
I mentioned this because the guy I quoted said nothing was wrong with following a black kid around because 100% of the break ins in the area were by black people, then said that wasn't racial profiling because it's a fact that black people were breaking into houses. Like I said, it's a fact that nearly all the serial killers in America are white guys, so why have I never heard of people racial profiling white men? If it's ok to do it black people and everyone else, why have I never heard of white people being racially profiled?
I also never said arrest anyone, I just want to know if any white man has been wrongfully harassed and followed for being a white guy in an area that is known for criminal activity by white people.
If they have, please enlighten me.
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