MOS DEF Demonstrates Conditions At Gitmo

Yasin Bey, Formerly known as Hip Hop star "MOS DEF" volunteered to submit himself to the conditions Gitmo detainees, currently on hunger strike, experience in standard operating procedures for force feeding.

WARNING: THIS VIDEO MADE ME PUKE - The Guardian's warning of this video being "Distressing" is the understatement of the year.

DO NOT WATCH IF YOU HAVE DOUBTS

EDIT: One of Obama's Campaign Promises. Seems so ridiculous when you listen to this now.

My girl showed me this yesterday morning. While it is cringe worthy, it go me thinking... why not let them starve and die? I guess the idea behind doing this is to keep them alive to be able to get more information out of them.

When you think about it, people get tubes shoved down their throats and such to help them in hospitals. The difference there is they probably use some sort of anesthetic to ease the procedure. It depends what The intentions are, if we were doing it to preserve life it would be one thing, but it looks like they are making it a tool of torture.

I think letting them die would be merciful. Also a lot of the inmates in Gitmo have been cleared of any suspicion.

The true question is; what kind of living conditions and what kind of despair does one have to experience to cut themselves off from food, knowing they will be subjected to this two times a day?!

Reminder that most of the people at gitmo are not charged with anything and are clear for release.

We just won't release them. Because 'Merica.

I really think he is exaggerating this -.-

For one it is a medical procedure, people in normal places have this done to them. Secondly, people stick stupid stuff up their noses that must be more painful all the time and cry less than he did. Third he slipped the straps too easily, and being he volunteered for it I doubt they would have kept going if he asked them to stop.... seems pretty staged to me.

would like to have a source on that info you got.
Not that i am for a torture like this but i would still like to see some source to your claim.

Yah I did watch this earlier, and while I appreciate the goal of the video to edify the public in general about the procedure--and to put a very human face on the practice and how invasive the actual insertion of the nasogastric intubation is on an unwilling subject--to be fair to this issue, I do wonder how accurate the video is.

It seemed about halfway through, for his benefit and comfort during the demonstration, they removed the retraints on him which increased his ability to struggle. It certainly underscored his suffering during the intubation--and for certain intubation is difficult enough with a conscious willing patient/subject and normally done during sedation--but the image of him then being restrained by being held down by many hands is no longer 'SOP' no? :/

Further, the end remark that the procedure "typically takes two hours to complete" seemed to imply (to me at least) that the insertion of the nasogastric tube is performed over and over for two hours, when the tube is actually inserted once and left in place until digestion is complete (to prevent induced vomiting, as those who are being force-fed are doing so as part of a hunger-strike.)

Again, please don't get me wrong and assume I am being critical and I am taking a contrary position to the view that the prisoners are possibly being treated inhumanely--the greater issues are those of whether their status as "enemy combatants"/prisoners-of-war allow for indefinite detention--just that even with a real-life participant and good intentions, this demonstration can still be inaccurate or have the end info be misleadingly presented.

Either way, as Zellc mentions, I would get the impression that the prison management is choosing to make this as uncomfortable as possible, to 'encourage' eating (to avoid the discomfort of the procedure, assuming there is no sedative used at all.)

As for their value, years after imprisonment, I personally suspect that they will ultimately be used as a prisoner-exchange or release gesture in future negotiations. :/

Oddly enough, you're wrong on all three points.

1. Anesthetic is a thing
2. People don't stick tubes that go into their head and down their throat "all the time"
3. Safe words during sex acts are also a thing. Might sound unrelated, but it's natural for a person who would want something to be done to them, but then give a knee jerk response of wanting it to stop when it's actually being done to them. Hopefully, the people who are doing this procedure to him are experienced enough to know this. That's why such an extreme reaction is necessary to get them to stop.

Try google. This is pretty common knowledge.

Its actually common knowledge.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/23174/guantanamo-bay-detainees-most-are-cleared-for-release-but-remain-in-gitmo

You can find countless of sources. Its reported openly even on traditionally right wing media like FOX.

I don't know that they use anesthetic for this procedure but regardless if they do i'm still not "wrong" because the procedure is still done.

I didn't say people stick tubes into their head, I said they stick 'things' and yes people do do that 'all the time' as in happening in a constant stream of events over a period of time such as a year.

Right, because that COULD be the case means it IS the case huh?

I think YOU are the one who is wrong and doesn't know what actually invalidates a statement.

Prisoner exchange with who? Al Qaeda, Taliban?

1. Al Qaeda isn't holding any american POWS
2. Al Qaeda isn't even a foreign power or state to be able to negotiate with, even if they did have POWS - and the US does not negotiate with terrorists.

3. Taliban don't hold any American POWS

4. As most of the inmates don't belong to Al Qaeda, why would they be used as prisoners for exchange? Al Qaeda dislikes Muslims who don't agree to their ideology as much as they hate Americans, if not more. So why on earth would they ever attempt to negotiate with America over prisoners who have no loyalty or affiliation towards them?

To make it clear just how far fetched your statement is, do you think that Somalia would negotiate with the US for the release of an Irish POW?

There's absolutely no correlation between the two.

i was not up to date on Gitmo-inmates, thanks.

This came out June 20th...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/20/19055634-taliban-offers-to-swap-american-pow-for-five-gitmo-detainees?lite

...just FYI, this was part of a larger issue of the negotiations to take part at the (nixed) Qatar diplomatic office...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/24/19110923-talibans-flagpole-removed-in-bid-to-resurrect-peace-talks?lite

...the US actually was willing to negotiate with the Afghan Taliban, at least until the effort was derailed.

I stand corrected on American POWS - its funny how there's no mention of any POWS anywhere in the past decade's worth of news coverage.

On the other hand, Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't one and the same.

Several Taliban members/former members and leaders live as current politicians in Afghanistan and are part of the government and are invited to loya jurgas.

I don't actually think they were ever classified as a terrorist organization, just a hostile foreign power, which afford them the geneva conventions protection in treatment of POWS.

Release them where?

Added Obama's Presidential campaign promise about closing Gitmo to the OP.
its so sad its comical how American politics works now.

It's the politics of every country involved. Where should these fine misunderstood gentlemen be released to? I know some of them we don't release because they would be executed upon being returned to their home country.

Me? I'd just kill them and the world would get over it.

You and Al Qaeda seem to have a lot in common.
Change the dialect/language, flag colors and what is the difference besides the color of your skin, eyes and hair?

hmm- US Federal Court Weighs in

If you had a choice would you prefer going to Gitmo or having a drone blow you up and everyone else around you? Because that's what we do now to avoid capturing people trying to kill our soldiers.

oh cool false choice logical fallacy

keep it rollin!

Who the *** is MOS DEF? I thought that was Method Man.



Whoever he is, I guess he just isn't as manly as Shane Dawson.

that all you got already? don't start threads if you cannot handle discussion.

Are there only prisoners of war there or are americans accused of espionage/terrorism there also?

There's plenty of discussing going on within the thread. However none of it is coming from you.

Were you expecting a presidential debate in response to your "kill 'em all" drivel?

The reason you're pissing off blazed is because you dont understand. A lot of these people are innocent/cleared of any wrongdoing even without a trial. You want to kill people like that? Why? Because you don't know what to do with them?

Guantanamo Detainees Cleared For Release Take Part In Hunger Strike

"NEW YORK -- They are free to go, but they're going nowhere.

One of the reasons the United States prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is in the midst of a major hunger strike, with at least 100 detainees taking part, is that most of the prisoners there are already cleared for release. By the Obama administration's own accounting, some 86 of the 166 detainees at Guantanamo are eligible for release or transfer to other countries' custody. But because the administration hasn't been willing or able to find places to send them, no detainee has been released in more than a year, when two ethnic Uighurs from China were sent to El Salvador."

"Prisoner of War" doesn't really fit, see one guy was there for 6 years and tortured because he was a camera man for Al jazeera news network, turned in by some bounty hunter for large amounts of cash, some of these people are farmers, drivers, not some guy that was caught trying to build a bomb etc. So if you wanna call someone who "might have information" but didn't actually do anything wrong and thus would be free'd vie a court appearance, a "prisoner of war" then ok.