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What does being Veteran Player means nowdays?
 Ragnarok.Afania
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-22 05:27:13
Maybe I'd feel frustrated that I paid for an MMO and couldn't join any event cuz my BRD's gimp. But I always have the option to stop playing and quit to save money, since I choose rl over FFXI to begin with. just the fact that you have kids and find the time to play makes it amazing. i have 3 nephews, 2 girls 1 boy i take care twice per week when that happens all i can do is fish here and there i take my hat off to you. And my point wasnt about not having certain piece of x-gear go get it cuse you must have it, but about trying to make the best with what you have while working towards what you want no matter how long it takes. And if all else fails well making gil never does i have learn that much if i cant make it ill go buy it if i can or simply play and have fun without it
Nah, I don't have kids I'm just using it as an example. However I play very little FFXI....most of the time I play for less than 2hrs a day. So I just solo dyna for 1.5hr(or do 1 fracture farm pt) and log off.
Asura.Nadie
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 37
By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-22 06:02:33
Nah, I don't have kids I'm just using it as an example. However I play very little FFXI....most of the time I play for less than 2hrs a day. So I just solo dyna for 1.5hr(or do 1 fracture farm pt) and log off. well the fact that you still have the dedication to play while being busy in RL says a lot , i cannot help to admire anyone that does so. this game requires a lot of time sometimes, and not all of us have the time to do so. the ability of a player to adapt and learn on the go while only playing couple of hrs if anything every week or day, is something that needs to be recognized
 Asura.Myrrh
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 280
By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-22 08:24:43
Veteran player is merely the ability to adapt to a situation and not fail.
Length of playtime has nothing to do with it. Having the best gear doesn't make you good. Look at Breezyy. Not true at all, fail has nothing to do with disifering a noob from a veteran. Thats like saying only a idiot makes mistakes. Everyone is human and everyone makes mistakes. Your logic to veteran is pretty poor, leading the game to have no veterans at all in which case. Everyone learns by failing and making mistakes, thats how everything works ingame or in RL.
I understand your logic but it could be worded differently
Veterans learn from there mistakes to not make them, wile others continue to repeat the same mistakes.
Nope. It's merely my opinion. Not a creed to follow.
Length of playtime has nothing to do with it. Having the best gear doesn't make you good. Look at Breezyy. jesus cant believe someone else mention hims lol. and by no means do i mean this as offense im not that kind of person, but being rude has no excuse
Uhhh, it was a playful shot at a person I used to play with. Calm down there. No sense in assuming the worst.
Asura.Nadie
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 37
By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-22 08:34:41
Quote: Uhhh, it was a playful shot at a person I used to play with. Calm down there. No sense in assuming the worst.
wasnt talking about your comment actually but his name is familiar as someone who once was very rude to some shout group i happen to go with, like i said before i dont like to offend anyone and that wasnt the intent of this thread. Maybe that day he was having a bad ill take it as that but like i said being rude should have no excuse if you feeling bad dont play ect. ill give the benefit of the doubt to most people , so ill take it as he is a good person reasonable player that just happen to have a bad the day i happen to be in same pty as him. you have to forgive my English sometimes since is not my mother language.
Asura.Myrrh
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 280
By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-22 08:38:26
Quote: Uhhh, it was a playful shot at a person I used to play with. Calm down there. No sense in assuming the worst.
wasnt talking about your comment actually but his name is familiar as someone who once was very rude to some shout group i happen to go with, like i said before i dont like to offend anyone and that wasnt the intent of this thread. Maybe that day he was having a bad ill take it as that but like i said being rude should have no excuse if you feeling bad dont play ect. ill give the benefit of the doubt to most people , so ill take it as he is a good person reasonable player that just happen to have a bad the day i happen to be in same pty as him. you have to forgive my English sometimes since is not my mother language.
No worries, dude!
By Blazed1979 2013-05-22 10:49:26
Some of the best players I've known have been great at one job and passable as others. This is especially true for support jobs like WHM and BRD or COR.
There's such a clear observable distinction between a bad/ok/great and outstanding whm/brd/cor (RDM in the past as well - I exclude them because I don't see many RDMs anymore).
A vet WHM is casting the right cure tier or na spell before the attack/debuff even lands. No bot or script can replace them when you're facing new content and have no idea what to expect. They make the game much more enjoyable and I've been very luck to shine as a tank all due to them and I'm certain there are many others who would easily agree they are the true vets of XI.
Server: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 60
By Asura.Chanceikin 2013-05-22 11:29:18
Much agreed Blazed. If you use WHM as an example piece, being a great whm requires you to know what the mob is going to do.. and what the tank is going to do.. and what the DDs/mages are going to do.
You don't need to play every job to be a veteran, you do need to understand the strengths and weaknesses of other jobs that you don't play though. Not just lolpup or stuff like that.. a veteran knows when the DRK in his party is going to be in trouble and how to rectify the issue.. or that if he pops third eye, he will buy the 2-3 seconds needed for his whm to cure bomb him. Or the precise moment to throw an angon before all of the DDs light up a mob before a zerg.
In agreement with Motenton and whoever mentioned "needs no explanation" - a true veteran does all of these things without bring prompted or told when to do this.
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 Valefor.Ivaan
Server: Valefor
Game: FFXI
Posts: 605
By Valefor.Ivaan 2013-05-22 11:51:35
The first prerequisite for being a veteran is remembering when 3k exp a hour was amazing.
the next step is then understanding how to play your job and know the ins and outs of different events and such XD lol.
3k an hour ¬¬ lord man you had some fail parties. At least I remember 6~8k being very very good. Then smn burns took off and we got 35~40k/hour...and that was beyond godly. My first time was like 'hey, so I can really really recap my buffer in an hour from going drk/thf to dynamis? wowwwwww'.
I think you forgot to check what world i am in lol. Back then pre ath urgahn if you could get 3k you were in a solid pt lol XD.
Ragnarok.Afania
Server: Ragnarok
Game: FFXI
By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-22 13:13:48
In agreement with Motenton and whoever mentioned "needs no explanation" - a true veteran does all of these things without bring prompted or told when to do this.
I'd say that's more like a talent rather than experience. Some ppl automatically knows what to do in specific circumstances, some ppl played for 7 years and still don't know.
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By itchi508 2013-05-22 13:32:53
The first prerequisite for being a veteran is remembering when 3k exp a hour was amazing.
the next step is then understanding how to play your job and know the ins and outs of different events and such XD lol.
3k an hour ¬¬ lord man you had some fail parties. At least I remember 6~8k being very very good. Then smn burns took off and we got 35~40k/hour...and that was beyond godly. My first time was like 'hey, so I can really really recap my buffer in an hour from going drk/thf to dynamis? wowwwwww'.
I think you forgot to check what world i am in lol. Back then pre ath urgahn if you could get 3k you were in a solid pt lol XD. Was gona say 3k lol average even shity exp partys would get 10k/h but a great party could do 30k+ for sure in into the 40s on colibri partys getn chain 400+
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2013-05-22 13:37:14
I'd say that's more like a talent rather than experience. Some ppl automatically knows what to do in specific circumstances, some ppl played for 7 years and still don't know.
who told you!!!
<~plays so poorly it effects people on other servers
Bismarck.Momokiri
Server: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
Posts: 41
By Bismarck.Momokiri 2013-05-22 15:12:17
A veteran is a player you're comfortable bringing to an event they haven't done, or the guy that makes you say "thank god" when they join your floundering group. It's that magic combination of effort, reliability, gear mindfulness, and experience. I reserve the term for a player that has been around awhile and can basically be trusted not to ruin an event. It seems kind of pointless to say "he's a veteran but he sucks ***." That's like saying "he's a good guy when he's not beating the kids." I would never refer to someone as a veteran if they consistently fake d/c, RQ, randomly leave mid-event without good reason, or are generally dickholes.
It's trickier when people use the term to recruit in shouts. For NNI or salvage I would lean towards they actually want you to have done the events in some capacity, but I would ask for clarification. For stuff like Delve clears I would take it to mean that you are well-geared and are willing to take instruction. For VW shouts (remember those?) I would take it to mean you can be relied upon to proc, won't fake d/c or leave for some dumb reason halfway through the run, and you won't pretend you thought the x12 run was an x6 after the first battery of fights.
I'm sure many of you see everyday shouts that required veteran players , play style . For quite some time i been pondering in the meaning of this nowadays, what does it truly means?.
Does it means that you are super elite and have great gear for your jobs?, or is it that you have too much time in your hands to do log in for 14 hrs a day and accomplished what some people cant in a tight schedule. FFXI is recently celebrating their 11th anniversary and with this being said, at least in my personal experience i haven't seen many new players come into the game , sometimes i read in the forums of very old friends and well known players returning to the game, but rarely do i see new people getting into the game, and when you do 80% of the time is the account of and existing player that got sick of shouting for something and decided to make a WHM account to dual box.
I would like to know peoples opinions in this matter , as im concerned Veteran has become nothing more than a rank in crafting and that's about it. because in reality how long do you have to play to become good at your job?. some people excel in large events while others are better suited for small scale missions and events, but that is nothing more than play stile .
i know that ffxi community has been famous for quite some for being either nice and friendly or complete elitists pricks no offense intended in this comment by the way. I'm just wondering were do we draw the line to define players as veterans and such . because even after you have all the best gear available to your job, how are you supposed to judge?. A whm job is to cure , rng to shoot shit and dd's well to hit stuff with a thunder stick. But after 11 years of beating stuff with the same thunder stick how much longer do we need before we can acknowledge that other people are good at their jobs , or compliment them or even advise them. Since it seems that is either be categorized as elite or GTFO. Very sorry for the wall of text now let the killing begin . I'll lay back and get my shield ready for the opinions to come .
Sincerely ~ Nadie
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