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What does being Veteran Player means nowdays?
 Shiva.Denore
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By Shiva.Denore 2013-05-21 11:25:42
Sorry guys, I may be a veteran at ffxi but I'm a noob at quoting. I always mess it up when I try to take some out or spoiler XD
Dont sweat it. Basically the [ quote ] or [ spoiler ] go at the start of what you want to specify, then the [ /quote ] or [ /spoiler ] at the end. Spoilers go on the outside of a quote so as to include the quote in the spoiler, and not 'quote' the spoiler. <Spoiler party> <Can I have it?> <Veteran Spoilerer> <You can have this.> See how easy it is to improve on your flaws? (That still took me like 3 minutes and 3 previews to get right).
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-05-21 11:26:22
I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Some of the new NMs can be quite the headache for a WHM considering all the TP moves that add damage and a bad status effect.
It's like yeah everyone takes 900dmg and is paralyzed. What's that? You tried to Paralyna? Oops, you just lost a DD now. Ideally your BRD should be covering status effects while you keep the frontliners up but aint nobody got time for that in today's XI.
PARALYZED
BOUND
PLAGUE
and my favorite from DD: SILENCED
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 11:28:36
I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Honestly as long as you apply the same rules to yourself as you expect of others, idc in the slightest if someones 'elitist'. Its the hypocrites who expect to be able to slack while others go all out that bug the hell outta me. I was kiiiiinda like that on WHM.. pissed me off when people couldn't do the job properly/take the time and effort to do the buffs that were needed.
Then again, I wasn't perfect either.
There was once in a Qilin where I had a 10 second lag delay after I cast a spell.. 10 seconds.
D:
 Siren.Seiri
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:29:10
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Some of the new NMs can be quite the headache for a WHM considering all the TP moves that add damage and a bad status effect.
It's like yeah everyone takes 900dmg and is paralyzed. What's that? You tried to Paralyna? Oops, you just lost a DD now. Ideally your BRD should be covering status effects while you keep the frontliners up but aint nobody got time for that in today's XI.
PARALYZED
BOUND
PLAGUE
and my favorite from DD: SILENCED
Being silenced as drk can suck a truck...seriously.
But yes, you do need your backline members pulling their weight or they are basically disposable...
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:30:43
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Honestly as long as you apply the same rules to yourself as you expect of others, idc in the slightest if someones 'elitist'. Its the hypocrites who expect to be able to slack while others go all out that bug the hell outta me. I was kiiiiinda like that on WHM.. pissed me off when people couldn't do the job properly/take the time and effort to do the buffs that were needed.
Then again, I wasn't perfect either.
There was once in a Qilin where I had a 10 second lag delay after I cast a spell.. 10 seconds.
D:
Lag is the killer of all things... truly. And I was prolly the worst for elitism as rdm, being my best played/geared job at 75.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 11:30:44
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Some of the new NMs can be quite the headache for a WHM considering all the TP moves that add damage and a bad status effect.
It's like yeah everyone takes 900dmg and is paralyzed. What's that? You tried to Paralyna? Oops, you just lost a DD now. Ideally your BRD should be covering status effects while you keep the frontliners up but aint nobody got time for that in today's XI.
PARALYZED
BOUND
PLAGUE
and my favorite from DD: SILENCED lol, Silenced.. /NIN, NIN, DRK or PLD onry.
Or the ones that would spam "paralyna" or something on mobs where the effect was continuous and COULDN'T be gotten rid of until it wore off.
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By Sylph.Iraphine 2013-05-21 11:32:23
This is a good topic, as many people have a misconception of what a true 'Veteran' player is, many people will see a decked out Samurai with a relic or an empy, and start drooling, but these days it's not particularly hard to get a relic, nor is it particularly hard to get good gear anymore.
To me, a veteran player is someone who knows their role, and is proud of their job and their abilities. Is confident in any situation, because they know their job inside and out. Doesn't hesitate when things go sour, and learns to adapt.
I find these players are hard to come by, as many players leveled jobs to 99 in one day, didn't cap their skills, didn't really learn their job, and became paste eaters. Old school players who lived in vanilla ffxi, retired their mains from back then to level jobs that are so in demand for these new events, perhaps they can play their new job just fine, but I doubt every single person knows what the hell they are doing.
And of course there are those who never experienced vanilla ffxi, are born from Abyssea, and then jump right into delve and legion. Of course they are going to suck, their scythe skill is 52 and they are subbing white mage.
To be fair, there is no real learning curve anymore, you don't learn as you level anymore, it's basically become extinct. The result, very bad players.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-21 11:34:40
Quote: What does being Veteran Player means nowdays? If you fought in the Crystal War and survived! So everyone who played WotG.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-05-21 11:38:12
I'll never get the Abyssea hate. Ever.
Yes, it made alot of people lazy (mostly disillusioned old-schoolers) but pre-Abyssea was the same ***packaged differently. You had morons who leveled popular jobs and zoomed to 75 knowing nothing outside EXP level content wearing full AF, eating no food. I could scrounge up a number of pics of ~2005 Spar rocking 3/5 SAM AF with a Cowcutter off Zipacna. Man, I was a badass.
Guys, I can kill Colibri. Means I know my job well. Hit Sidewinder, pop Coribri.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2013-05-21 11:41:04
No one because lolxi
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:42:29
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I been playing since 2003, pc since 2007 , done most things in the game by now. Even though i dont consider myself to be an elite player even after doing endgame for many years daily. But remember just to mention old events that sky sea took me a while to get the hang of it . the difference was that i guess people used to take the time to actually explain what was going on, and what was best way to accomplished even in shouts pick groups for nyzul ect. Couple of days as browse the forums after a fishing session i saw a shout for delve and was wth let me go and get plasma. i knew on the of the people in the party so was this should be fun. Things that went wrong lol, leader had to be one of the rudest ppl i seen in a long time he bash the brd for not putting enough songs i guess 3 or 4 whatever empy gives, best part was that brd didn't have an empy . then accused the whm to not curing fast enough. i done delve more than a few times by no means im an expert at it but really how fast do you have to cure somebody? i mean if you cure goes off thats it you can make it go any faster just cuse you tell OMGZFF im dying here ...
i just wish some people actually took the time to be less rude and remember how far we come in this game
Cure faster means you have to get fastcast/cure spellcasting - gears.
A whm should also at least : cast pro/shell V, rotate haste starting by himself, sort chat filters to be ready to cast -na spells, be able to cure through alliance and not only party. Don't blame the players, blame the game. The majority of us have a limited time of play, that's' not an excuse to not be good at your job.
P.S': i'm not elitist and if people can learn and listen i have no problem with them.
Some of the new NMs can be quite the headache for a WHM considering all the TP moves that add damage and a bad status effect.
It's like yeah everyone takes 900dmg and is paralyzed. What's that? You tried to Paralyna? Oops, you just lost a DD now. Ideally your BRD should be covering status effects while you keep the frontliners up but aint nobody got time for that in today's XI.
PARALYZED
BOUND
PLAGUE
and my favorite from DD: SILENCED lol, Silenced.. /NIN, NIN, DRK or PLD onry.
Or the ones that would spam "paralyna" or something on mobs where the effect was continuous and COULDN'T be gotten rid of until it wore off.
Yeh those people tick me off...
Quote: What does being Veteran Player means nowdays? If you fought in the Crystal War and survived! So everyone who played WotG.
Seha...how many avatars of kirino do you have now?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'll never get the Abyssea hate. Ever.
Yes, it made alot of people lazy (mostly disillusioned old-schoolers) but pre-Abyssea was the same ***packaged differently. You had morons who leveled popular jobs and zoomed to 75 knowing nothing outside EXP level content wearing full AF, eating no food. I could scrounge up a number of pics of ~2005 Spar rocking 3/5 SAM AF with a Cowcutter off Zipacna. Man, I was a badass.
Guys, I can kill Colibri. Means I know my job well. Hit Sidewinder, pop Coribri.
No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
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By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-21 11:42:49
I used to be main rng, thf and rdm . I retired rng & thf and well we all know what use does rdm gets these days. I agree that prolly that hardest quality to groom is the ability to adapt well not only to new situations but also to new content. The problem when you the only one doing so in a group , and then you either get call a noob or something horrific along those lines by some guy that made a relic and new he is ubbbber DD. In addition to that like is my case i play now mostly WHM cuse is easy to move to fish and well i wanted a lay back job for a change since i love rdm. But jesus sometimes i feel like some ppl have no consideration at all is like the comment about the status effects , i havent use ascencion > erase in pty and i already have ppl in other allience pty telling me OMGGG paralize ,, silence , dead ....
And mostly there is 3 whm's brd and cor in every alliance.
But you have DD's that are like an mp sponge even with sch subs and relics brds given you 3 songs.
Like i said before hopefully the times of skill will come back even if only somehow
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 11:45:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I'll never get the Abyssea hate. Ever.
Yes, it made alot of people lazy (mostly disillusioned old-schoolers) but pre-Abyssea was the same ***packaged differently. You had morons who leveled popular jobs and zoomed to 75 knowing nothing outside EXP level content wearing full AF, eating no food. I could scrounge up a number of pics of ~2005 Spar rocking 3/5 SAM AF with a Cowcutter off Zipacna. Man, I was a badass.
Guys, I can kill Colibri. Means I know my job well. Hit Sidewinder, pop Coribri. Oh the days where if you didn't have a piercing weapon you couldn't exp on Colibri... that was the time where my MNK died. *** BIRDBANES.
And Sparth, your new Avatar with FFT Balthier... that might surpass the Wamouracampa with a top hat...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-21 11:45:26
Seha...how many avatars of kirino do you have now? That's only the second one I use! Thought I'd take away the pouty one for a bit, this is more summerish.
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-05-21 11:46:36
Full pearle might make things difficult but I would argue a player who showed up in full pearle did not know much about their job as there are easy to get alternatives for most slots. My main point is that you can show up in all the maxed out delve gear you want to wear but if you don't know how to play your job you are so much dead weight.
It was an example, you could argue af3+2 grade in place and still have the same outcome. Please address the point, not the example.
When I say easy to get alternatives in most slot I'm assuming you know or have visited a guide on the internet somewhere which suggests what midgrade gear is good for your job until you can get the best gear. I'd rather bring that player than the well geared dude who doesn't know what to do with their gear. You can argue logic with me all you want but I find you are the one missing the point.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:50:39
Seha...how many avatars of kirino do you have now? That's only the second one I use! Thought I'd take away the pouty one for a bit, this is more summerish.
:D Such an underrated series though, too many people get scared off by the genres... I was tempted by a Gokou ava but...enma just wins.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:52:31
Full pearle might make things difficult but I would argue a player who showed up in full pearle did not know much about their job as there are easy to get alternatives for most slots. My main point is that you can show up in all the maxed out delve gear you want to wear but if you don't know how to play your job you are so much dead weight.
It was an example, you could argue af3+2 grade in place and still have the same outcome. Please address the point, not the example.
When I say easy to get alternatives in most slot I'm assuming you know or have visited a guide on the internet somewhere which suggests what midgrade gear is good for your job until you can get the best gear. I'd rather bring that player than the well geared dude who doesn't know what to do with their gear. You can argue logic with me all you want but I find you are the one missing the point.
My point was a situational example, which I will continue on with.
Hall of mul:
You have amazing levels of skill, but your PDT set is only -10% and you cant afford a hybrid DT set? You're dead, and you're dead weight.
You have mediocre skill but a hybrid tp set and strong DT set? Ok you might live long enough to be useful.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-05-21 11:57:53
Everytime I see someone shouting for "veteran only" I don't bother to join join cause they are most likely horrible.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 11:59:36
Everytime I see someone shouting for "veteran only" I don't bother to join join cause they are most likely horrible.
Or desperate, though from experience shouting for 'veterans' usually just attracts the self important low lives with little-to-no actual use besides mouthing off..
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-05-21 11:59:56
No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
People were buying an landing into top tier Abjuration gear as far back as the MPK wars at Fafhogg where people would drag spiders on the alliance that claimed. The only difference back then was you had to perform fallacio on your LS leads to get drops or buy gil to afford the HNMLS prices.
All Abyssea did was open the floodgates for anyone to have good gear which benefits all party situations since most of the gear has moderate haste, acc, att and other neat things relevant to the job. Some of the more creative morons couldn't even land the +2 gear which was as easy as standing around NM arenas and doing some begging.
Everyone and their mother being able to stumble into Masamunes only helped to improve the baseline of players in XI and the dedicated players only got more powerful with the new tools spread around for them to use.
In conclusion, people just *** about Abyssea because it broke up the powerful oligopoly a few had over FFXI in its entirety. Gimps still remained gimps, pros got more pro and everyone in between got a little better with easier access to better sets.
I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 12:04:50
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
People were buying an landing into top tier Abjuration gear as far back as the MPK wars at Fafhogg where people would drag spiders on the alliance that claimed. The only difference back then was you had to perform fallacio on your LS leads to get drops or buy gil to afford the HNMLS prices.
All Abyssea did was open the floodgates for anyone to have good gear which benefits all party situations since most of the gear has moderate haste, acc, att and other neat things relevant to the job. Some of the more creative morons couldn't even land the +2 gear which was as easy as standing around NM arenas and doing some begging.
Everyone and their mother being able to stumble into Masamunes only helped to improve the baseline of players in XI and the dedicated players only got more powerful with the new tools spread around for them to use.
In conclusion, people just *** about Abyssea because it broke up the powerful oligopoly a few had over FFXI in its entirety. Gimps still remained gimps, pros got more pro and everyone in between got a little better with easier access to better sets.
I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***.
However you could also say that the people willing/able to buy the HNM gear and top abjs were more dedicated to the game than the average player, and thus would acquire skill along the way.
The af evolution made me laugh though
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 12:07:35
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
People were buying an landing into top tier Abjuration gear as far back as the MPK wars at Fafhogg where people would drag spiders on the alliance that claimed. The only difference back then was you had to perform fallacio on your LS leads to get drops or buy gil to afford the HNMLS prices.
All Abyssea did was open the floodgates for anyone to have good gear which benefits all party situations since most of the gear has moderate haste, acc, att and other neat things relevant to the job. Some of the more creative morons couldn't even land the +2 gear which was as easy as standing around NM arenas and doing some begging.
Everyone and their mother being able to stumble into Masamunes only helped to improve the baseline of players in XI and the dedicated players only got more powerful with the new tools spread around for them to use.
In conclusion, people just *** about Abyssea because it broke up the powerful oligopoly a few had over FFXI in its entirety. Gimps still remained gimps, pros got more pro and everyone in between got a little better with easier access to better sets.
I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***.
However you could also say that the people willing/able to buy the HNM gear and top abjs were more dedicated to the game than the average player, and thus would acquire skill along the way.
The af evolution made me laugh though
Hmmm.. there was quite a lot of skill to hit that "buy gil" button on IGE... :)
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-21 12:07:58
Everytime I see someone shouting for "veteran only" I don't bother to join join cause they are most likely horrible.
"Need veterans to cover for my fail, plz help."
Pretty much this?
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Siren.Seiri
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 12:09:03
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
People were buying an landing into top tier Abjuration gear as far back as the MPK wars at Fafhogg where people would drag spiders on the alliance that claimed. The only difference back then was you had to perform fallacio on your LS leads to get drops or buy gil to afford the HNMLS prices.
All Abyssea did was open the floodgates for anyone to have good gear which benefits all party situations since most of the gear has moderate haste, acc, att and other neat things relevant to the job. Some of the more creative morons couldn't even land the +2 gear which was as easy as standing around NM arenas and doing some begging.
Everyone and their mother being able to stumble into Masamunes only helped to improve the baseline of players in XI and the dedicated players only got more powerful with the new tools spread around for them to use.
In conclusion, people just *** about Abyssea because it broke up the powerful oligopoly a few had over FFXI in its entirety. Gimps still remained gimps, pros got more pro and everyone in between got a little better with easier access to better sets.
I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***.
However you could also say that the people willing/able to buy the HNM gear and top abjs were more dedicated to the game than the average player, and thus would acquire skill along the way.
The af evolution made me laugh though
Hmmm.. there was quite a lot of skill to hit that "buy gil" button on IGE... :)
No skill, but dedication to the game to pay a significant amount of irl money to further ur character. I know I couldn't afford to do it!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-05-21 12:12:39
That dedication to swiping a Debit Card doesn't translate to being better at the game or even being good in the first place.
All it means is that you were obsessed enough as the hardcore nolifers to drop alot of cash on a virtual upgrade.
Siren.Seiri
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 12:14:02
And for the most part the people I knew who were that obsessed were obsessed enough to have a moderate amount of skill to go alongside, is my point.
Asura.Nadie
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By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-21 12:14:03
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***. Epic funny stuff made my day lol
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 12:16:19
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »No, back then the difference in gear was enough to tell a good player from a hack. The abyssea hate I think was a symptom of gear differences becoming much more blurred. Example being, a person shouts for something and gets someone in full af3+2 with a 85 emp - at 90 cap, a LOT of good players fit this bill, but so did a lot of crap players. Say shouter got a crap player in this gear, they will feel they wasted their time with someone who could only get a hold of top gear because of how easy aby was.
People were buying an landing into top tier Abjuration gear as far back as the MPK wars at Fafhogg where people would drag spiders on the alliance that claimed. The only difference back then was you had to perform fallacio on your LS leads to get drops or buy gil to afford the HNMLS prices.
All Abyssea did was open the floodgates for anyone to have good gear which benefits all party situations since most of the gear has moderate haste, acc, att and other neat things relevant to the job. Some of the more creative morons couldn't even land the +2 gear which was as easy as standing around NM arenas and doing some begging.
Everyone and their mother being able to stumble into Masamunes only helped to improve the baseline of players in XI and the dedicated players only got more powerful with the new tools spread around for them to use.
In conclusion, people just *** about Abyssea because it broke up the powerful oligopoly a few had over FFXI in its entirety. Gimps still remained gimps, pros got more pro and everyone in between got a little better with easier access to better sets.
I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***.
However you could also say that the people willing/able to buy the HNM gear and top abjs were more dedicated to the game than the average player, and thus would acquire skill along the way.
The af evolution made me laugh though
Hmmm.. there was quite a lot of skill to hit that "buy gil" button on IGE... :)
No skill, but dedication to the game to pay a significant amount of irl money to further ur character. I know I couldn't afford to do it! lol, I've known a lot of people who did that.. hell I knew someone that sold it to people himself.. just had to donate to a Paypal account XD
Don't need much skill to make money ingame.. more like a lot of patience and/or RL money.
I've got it! The Casual players work more instead of playing more, thus spending their RL money on gil for their lack of game time.
In the end, it's all the same: Money or not, lern 2 play.
and:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »fallacio tee-hee.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-21 12:29:22
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laugh at the evolution of the AF -> Relic -> Empyrean sets. Its like: *** -> Mostly *** -> Holy ***. Epic funny stuff made my day lol
In all seriousness, I'm looking forward to some holy ***for RUN.
By Scragg 2013-05-21 12:30:43
I'm sure many of you see everyday shouts that required veteran players , play style . For quite some time i been pondering in the meaning of this nowadays, what does it truly means?.
Does it means that you are super elite and have great gear for your jobs?, or is it that you have too much time in your hands to do log in for 14 hrs a day and accomplished what some people cant in a tight schedule. FFXI is recently celebrating their 11th anniversary and with this being said, at least in my personal experience i haven't seen many new players come into the game , sometimes i read in the forums of very old friends and well known players returning to the game, but rarely do i see new people getting into the game, and when you do 80% of the time is the account of and existing player that got sick of shouting for something and decided to make a WHM account to dual box.
I would like to know peoples opinions in this matter , as im concerned Veteran has become nothing more than a rank in crafting and that's about it. because in reality how long do you have to play to become good at your job?. some people excel in large events while others are better suited for small scale missions and events, but that is nothing more than play stile .
i know that ffxi community has been famous for quite some for being either nice and friendly or complete elitists pricks no offense intended in this comment by the way. I'm just wondering were do we draw the line to define players as veterans and such . because even after you have all the best gear available to your job, how are you supposed to judge?. A whm job is to cure , rng to shoot shit and dd's well to hit stuff with a thunder stick. But after 11 years of beating stuff with the same thunder stick how much longer do we need before we can acknowledge that other people are good at their jobs , or compliment them or even advise them. Since it seems that is either be categorized as elite or GTFO. Very sorry for the wall of text now let the killing begin . I'll lay back and get my shield ready for the opinions to come .
Sincerely ~ Nadie
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