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What does being Veteran Player means nowdays?
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-21 09:51:05
Were have you people been all this time i think the people posting must be a dying breed. polite answers , smart comments , i think i have to double check. i must have posted in wrong forums this is prolly not ffxi ... /jk jk . But truly is rare to see smart comments and opinions these days so im surprised even though im always reading this forums or bg , finding comments that actually deserve praise is rare
To be honest, the leader spoken of who didn't ask the BRD about their instrument had no reason to say anything, it was his mistake by not asking. On the flipside of this are those who in VW who'd say they have a relic then show up without one. One example is an Ig-Alima run I went on, a DRK joined, saying he had a relic scythe, and showed up DRK/WHM wearing that scythe Ig-Alima drops, then celebrated after we struggle to win and he got Hoarfrost. After the first pop he ran to change his sub...and came back DRK/RDM. I don't think the guy was intentionally lying, I just don't think he understood DRK or what a Relic is.
I'm going to be harsh, but that drk just sounds like a retard. With a game like ffxi and the sheer number of relics floating about, there is no excuse to have played the game for more than a week (if that) and not know what a 'relic' is.
I assume he bought his account, as I'm pretty sure the character was Japanese. People seem to have a VW blacklist, and most of the ones blacklisted are either complete ***, the aformentioned DRK, or people that didn't put forth any effort, like one BRD we had play one song on first pop, then AFK for the remaining 5.
That sort of person is an instant kick in my books...doesn't deserve the slot when there are plenty of people willing to actually put forward the effort.
I think he got booted after the second or third pop, but remained afk, and dead, for the remainder of the run.
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By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-21 09:59:44
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »This. "Veteran" is in autotranslate while "Someone that has done this event many times before and knows exactly what their role is" is not in autotranslate.
Totally agree with this, lately since wake up super early like 5am my time or so i been playing around the jp schedule and even now it surprises me how much of a different approach they have to new content (my rdm actually gets used with them). i even seen many of the jp's ptys i gone to lately try to explain to the best of their ability in auto translate what my role is going to be or explain it in broken English , which i understand most of the time.
It always makes me glad to find ppl that actually have the patience and are polite enough to explain something
By Xodia 2013-05-21 10:01:48
Elitists are something I cant stand especially the ones that act like nazi's, makes me want to ***on them. Once you know your job and can play it well thats all id ask. ( can be frustrating when your petrified for 5mins and your whm runs off and leaves you there after youve asked them nicely.)
Veteran player imo is someone that knows their job and well they may not need to know the zone or area i.e Dekve just stick to your party and listen to the alli lead etc.
To the OP nice post ^^.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:06:13
Elitists are something I cant stand especially the ones that act like nazi's, makes me want to ***on them. Once you know your job and can play it well thats all id ask. ( can be frustrating when your petrified for 5mins and your whm runs off and leaves you there after youve asked them nicely.)
Veteran player imo is someone that knows their job and well they may not need to know the zone or area i.e Dekve just stick to your party and listen to the alli lead etc.
To the OP nice post ^^.
A veteran to me has to be able to fulfil their role in a party, even if that means having specific gear and knowledge to do so - if they can't, they aren't a veteran because they'll hold their group back.
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By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-21 10:07:38
Thank you I'm glad the people posting seem to be well informed and polite , and I'm actually learning a few things here and there. i strongly believe that there is always room for improvement. Sometimes it takes determination and patience but ohh well is better than failing or quitting.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 10:14:04
To me, when a lot of people refer to "Veteran", they think:
-Someone with several Empys/Relics
-Someone with a Mythic, or more
-Someone 15/15 NNI
-Someone with Neo Salvage gear
Etc, etc.
Pretty much what I see is "Veteran" someone already explained.. lemme quote it..
Basically, someone who can be trusted to play smart when things go bad, rather than running around like a headless chicken or freezing like a deer in the headlights. Anyone can gear decently and play their job (cure, smash things, sing, etc.) - it's people who take decisive action in a pinch that make all the difference.
THIS. This is what "Veteran" meant to me.
Time spent IN game DOES NOT EQUAL time spent LEARNING the game.
"Veteran" is someone who could take control and do the little things that would make the battle go easier or turn the tide in an instant when ***went wrong. Mostly from people with those "shinies" that didn't know what the *** to do.
Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not.
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By Asura.Sechs 2013-05-21 10:21:31
Skill here, skill there, blahblah.
It's all correct, in theory, but in practics?
Try to answer one of those shouts saying that your gear sucks but that you're very skilled and much better than another person with awesome gear but poor skill.
Which is actually realistic, I've seen that happen plenty of times but still, how are you gonna make someone who doesn't know you trust you?
Exactely, he won't, but he'll trust/believe someone who has good gear/weapon (or what he thinks is good gear/weapons)
Tbh I'm not really sure there's a solution to this, I kinda see it as an unavoidable consequence.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2013-05-21 10:22:15
Basically, someone who can be trusted to play smart when things go bad, rather than running around like a headless chicken or freezing like a deer in the headlights. Anyone can gear decently and play their job (cure, smash things, sing, etc.) - it's people who take decisive action in a pinch that make all the difference. This is what I'd call a good player, but not quite a "Veteran".
The term itself is relative. As someone noted above an old returning player may not be a Veteran for certain events while they are in others.
Ultimately, <Veteran> is a blanket term for a "good player" in most cases.
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By Asura.Nadie 2013-05-21 10:22:26
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 10:23:54
Skill here, skill there, blahblah.
It's all correct, in theory, but in practics?
Try to answer one of those shouts saying that your gear sucks but that you're very skilled and much better than another person with awesome gear but poor skill.
Which is actually realistic, I've seen that happen plenty of times but still, how are you gonna make someone who doesn't know you trust you?
Exactely, he won't, but he'll trust/believe someone who has good gear/weapon (or what he thinks is good gear/weapons)
Tbh I'm not really sure there's a solution to this, I kinda see it as an unavoidable consequence. That's the thing, you don't know them.
I partied with several people doing voidwatch.. knew the ones to keep partying with, knew the ones to just avoid and pretend their tells never got to me somehow.
It is about knowing the player first of all, but mostly about giving them the chance to prove themselves.
It's like a double edged sword, you're right, but I've seen people that have less to work with do an excellent job, and people who have everything do horribly.
Depends on the person using said "skill".
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:26:42
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
To clarify what you posted Applebottoms, I would remove your mention of NNI and mythics from things 'anyone' can do. NNI requires a degree of skill/gear and a large degree of focus while mythics require a ridiculous amount of grinding and are thus unavailable to most.
Basically, someone who can be trusted to play smart when things go bad, rather than running around like a headless chicken or freezing like a deer in the headlights. Anyone can gear decently and play their job (cure, smash things, sing, etc.) - it's people who take decisive action in a pinch that make all the difference. This is what I'd call a good player, but not quite a "Veteran".
The term itself is relative. As someone noted above an old returning player may not a Veteran for certain events while they are in others.
Ultimately, <Veteran> is a blanket term for a "good player" in most cases.
I have to agree with this. Also, it doesn't matter how skilled you are, gear IS ABSOLUTELY relevant. If you don't have the gear to go along with your skill, you aren't going to contribute to any group.
A 'good player' has skill, whereas a 'veteran' has the skill and knowledge of gear AND has the gear to play their job.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 10:30:27
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
To clarify what you posted Applebottoms, I would remove your mention of NNI and mythics from things 'anyone' can do. NNI requires a degree of skill/gear and a large degree of focus while mythics require a ridiculous amount of grinding and are thus unavailable to most.
Ehhh, and this goes back to how game time doesn't equal time spent learning the game.
Actually, anyone CAN do that stuff. It would just take longer and a lot more gil than someone who had all that accessible to them.
Instead of finish off NNI in a month, gonna take longer. Mythic in 6 months? Try 2-3 years.
Doing stuff takes time, time that people don't wanna spend or gil that people don't wanna spend, so they don't do it and stay in Abyssea.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-21 10:30:53
iq over 80 and mindful of other people's time
dont care what you're wearing, if you're not a complete idiot i'm sure it's suitable
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-05-21 10:31:49
I disagree. Gear is nice but I'd prefer an attentive player who knows what they're doing to a clueless player with the best gear. You can still win events if your gear is outdated but you know how to play your job and gear swap appropriately... on the other hand if you have excellent gear that you full time and can barely figure out how to engage much less use the right jas at the right time we would have been better off not filling that spot.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2013-05-21 10:33:04
Skill here, skill there, blahblah.
It's all correct, in theory, but in practics?
Try to answer one of those shouts saying that your gear sucks but that you're very skilled and much better than another person with awesome gear but poor skill.
Which is actually realistic, I've seen that happen plenty of times but still, how are you gonna make someone who doesn't know you trust you?
Exactely, he won't, but he'll trust/believe someone who has good gear/weapon (or what he thinks is good gear/weapons)
Tbh I'm not really sure there's a solution to this, I kinda see it as an unavoidable consequence.
There are exceptions to all cases but generally if you really are a good player you'll have some good gear to an extent. I see a lot of returning that players that are now "less than optimal" in their gear. It's a judgement call how much slack you want to give people.
By Afania 2013-05-21 10:36:45
I disagree. Gear is nice but I'd prefer an attentive player who knows what they're doing to a clueless player with the best gear. You can still win events if your gear is outdated but you know how to play your job and gear swap appropriately... on the other hand if you have excellent gear that you full time and can barely figure out how to engage much less use the right jas at the right time we would have been better off not filling that spot.
I'd say it depend on job and it depend on which gear you're talking about.....certain gear does make huge difference that maybe some skill lv difference can't compensate.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 10:39:50
Skill here, skill there, blahblah.
It's all correct, in theory, but in practics?
Try to answer one of those shouts saying that your gear sucks but that you're very skilled and much better than another person with awesome gear but poor skill.
Which is actually realistic, I've seen that happen plenty of times but still, how are you gonna make someone who doesn't know you trust you?
Exactely, he won't, but he'll trust/believe someone who has good gear/weapon (or what he thinks is good gear/weapons)
Tbh I'm not really sure there's a solution to this, I kinda see it as an unavoidable consequence.
There are exceptions to all cases but generally if you really are a good player you'll have some good gear to an extent. I see a lot of returning that players that are now "less than optimal" in their gear. It's a judgement call how much slack you want to give people. I've taken several people on Celaeno runs (many.. many Celaeno runs..). Most of them returning people that were like me @ 0/300, some of them never fought the thing before.
A good leader explains the situation, asks if there are any questions, and even explains to the new player that's "never done this before" what to do.
I've taught many people about voidwatch, answered several questions to help better people so they could be an asset to groups.. even if their gear wasn't the best.
Most of the time, those were the people that I invited back.
You learn about who wants to really buckle down and learn VW and get stuff done.. and then you meet the ones that all they do is spam Rudra's on THF so they can "keep hate" thus resulting in it dying too fast and no lights being attained resulting in no one getting a body while the THF is in his glory saying how we all suck and that he parsed the best...
..../bitter.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:43:11
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
To clarify what you posted Applebottoms, I would remove your mention of NNI and mythics from things 'anyone' can do. NNI requires a degree of skill/gear and a large degree of focus while mythics require a ridiculous amount of grinding and are thus unavailable to most.
Ehhh, and this goes back to how game time doesn't equal time spent learning the game.
Actually, anyone CAN do that stuff. It would just take longer and a lot more gil than someone who had all that accessible to them.
Instead of finish off NNI in a month, gonna take longer. Mythic in 6 months? Try 2-3 years.
Doing stuff takes time, time that people don't wanna spend or gil that people don't wanna spend, so they don't do it and stay in Abyssea.
NNI requires a lot of focus and an above average degree of skill and gear. A novice or casual player isn't going to get full HQ gear without buying it on the whole.
Mythics can take even longer than that, and there is a 'skill' to dedication, imo at least.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:45:59
I disagree. Gear is nice but I'd prefer an attentive player who knows what they're doing to a clueless player with the best gear. You can still win events if your gear is outdated but you know how to play your job and gear swap appropriately... on the other hand if you have excellent gear that you full time and can barely figure out how to engage much less use the right jas at the right time we would have been better off not filling that spot.
Go take the best player you could possibly be and put them in, for example, hall of mul with perle class gear. They will do appallingly because their gear is not up to par with the event.
Skill here, skill there, blahblah.
It's all correct, in theory, but in practics?
Try to answer one of those shouts saying that your gear sucks but that you're very skilled and much better than another person with awesome gear but poor skill.
Which is actually realistic, I've seen that happen plenty of times but still, how are you gonna make someone who doesn't know you trust you?
Exactely, he won't, but he'll trust/believe someone who has good gear/weapon (or what he thinks is good gear/weapons)
Tbh I'm not really sure there's a solution to this, I kinda see it as an unavoidable consequence.
There are exceptions to all cases but generally if you really are a good player you'll have some good gear to an extent. I see a lot of returning that players that are now "less than optimal" in their gear. It's a judgement call how much slack you want to give people.
Agree fully. If you have the skill to do an event, you have the skill to get gear. In this case there can't be any excuse given to not have at LEAST af3+2 gear, a decent weapon and gearsets for everything.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-21 10:46:47
I dunno!
NNI is pretty pathetic now
I think you'd need to be braindead to fail
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-05-21 10:46:54
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
To clarify what you posted Applebottoms, I would remove your mention of NNI and mythics from things 'anyone' can do. NNI requires a degree of skill/gear and a large degree of focus while mythics require a ridiculous amount of grinding and are thus unavailable to most.
Ehhh, and this goes back to how game time doesn't equal time spent learning the game.
Actually, anyone CAN do that stuff. It would just take longer and a lot more gil than someone who had all that accessible to them.
Instead of finish off NNI in a month, gonna take longer. Mythic in 6 months? Try 2-3 years.
Doing stuff takes time, time that people don't wanna spend or gil that people don't wanna spend, so they don't do it and stay in Abyssea.
NNI requires a lot of focus and an above average degree of skill and gear. A novice or casual player isn't going to get full HQ gear without buying it on the whole.
Mythics can take even longer than that, and there is a 'skill' to dedication, imo at least. I agree with that, but the thing I was explaining is anyone CAN get this.
Time and effort.
The casual player can look at NNI and Mythic and be like "oooo, I want", and start grinding gear to get better and such.
Or hell, at least getting gil to attain NNI shout groups being a "casual" player.
I've heard of casual people doing NNI and going for Mythics.. just takes a lot longer than "regular" players.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:47:16
I disagree. Gear is nice but I'd prefer an attentive player who knows what they're doing to a clueless player with the best gear. You can still win events if your gear is outdated but you know how to play your job and gear swap appropriately... on the other hand if you have excellent gear that you full time and can barely figure out how to engage much less use the right jas at the right time we would have been better off not filling that spot.
I'd say it depend on job and it depend on which gear you're talking about.....certain gear does make huge difference that maybe some skill lv difference can't compensate.
Yes yes YES. A veteran needs both gear and skill. They don't need the absolute best gear in every slot, but they need to have at least 'acceptable' sets for their job.
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By Shiva.Denore 2013-05-21 10:47:17
Basically, someone who can be trusted to play smart when things go bad, rather than running around like a headless chicken or freezing like a deer in the headlights. Anyone can gear decently and play their job (cure, smash things, sing, etc.) - it's people who take decisive action in a pinch that make all the difference. This is what I'd call a good player, but not quite a "Veteran".
The term itself is relative. As someone noted above an old returning player may not be a Veteran for certain events while they are in others.
Ultimately, <Veteran> is a blanket term for a "good player" in most cases.
True! My answer was a little simplistic, and probably too kind. If you haven't done a certain event a few times, you just won't/can't have the necessary intuition and (probably) the gear to contribute in any real way to the alliance. And if your gear completely sucks, it doesn't matter how good/intuitive you are. It's definitely up to each alliance leader to make those calls. But there's no point getting mad at an alli leader for not choosing you. They probably had 10-20 tells to sift through to fill 2 spots. If you didn't seem like the best option, you didn't get picked, end of story.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:48:39
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Not about shiny weapons. Not about Shiny armors. About player skill.
With the ease of accessibility of weapons/shinies nowadays, people need to remember that skill goes along with those weapons/shinies; it's not about the items themselves.
Anyone can do NNI, Salvage, get a relic/mythic/empy, etc. It takes a real player to look past that, get down to business, and just get the job done, geared or not. /clap could had not said it better myself
To clarify what you posted Applebottoms, I would remove your mention of NNI and mythics from things 'anyone' can do. NNI requires a degree of skill/gear and a large degree of focus while mythics require a ridiculous amount of grinding and are thus unavailable to most.
Ehhh, and this goes back to how game time doesn't equal time spent learning the game.
Actually, anyone CAN do that stuff. It would just take longer and a lot more gil than someone who had all that accessible to them.
Instead of finish off NNI in a month, gonna take longer. Mythic in 6 months? Try 2-3 years.
Doing stuff takes time, time that people don't wanna spend or gil that people don't wanna spend, so they don't do it and stay in Abyssea.
NNI requires a lot of focus and an above average degree of skill and gear. A novice or casual player isn't going to get full HQ gear without buying it on the whole.
Mythics can take even longer than that, and there is a 'skill' to dedication, imo at least. I agree with that, but the thing I was explaining is anyone CAN get this.
Time and effort.
The casual player can look at NNI and Mythic and be like "oooo, I want", and start grinding gear to get better and such.
Or hell, at least getting gil to attain NNI shout groups being a "casual" player.
I've heard of casual people doing NNI and going for Mythics.. just takes a lot longer than "regular" players.
Imo, if a casual player has the dedication to farm gil to buy NNI gear and build a mythic, they stop being a casual player. They are putting in a lot of effort and will invariably gain skill along the way.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:50:07
I dunno!
NNI is pretty pathetic now
I think you'd need to be braindead to fail there was some guy that hexa boxxed on here; I wonder if he got to floor 100 alone yet
My housemate duo'd NNI with a 3-box and 2-box to sell ***, wasn't that hard.
That said, Sylow, you can't really be compared to a regular casual...so ofc NNI is braindead to you, but that isn't the case for everyone.
By Angeljcar 2013-05-21 10:50:23
A Veteran player is a former/present military soldier who plays ffxi.
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By Siren.Seiri 2013-05-21 10:50:25
Basically, someone who can be trusted to play smart when things go bad, rather than running around like a headless chicken or freezing like a deer in the headlights. Anyone can gear decently and play their job (cure, smash things, sing, etc.) - it's people who take decisive action in a pinch that make all the difference. This is what I'd call a good player, but not quite a "Veteran".
The term itself is relative. As someone noted above an old returning player may not be a Veteran for certain events while they are in others.
Ultimately, <Veteran> is a blanket term for a "good player" in most cases.
True! My answer was a little simplistic, and probably too kind. If you haven't done a certain event a few times, you just won't/can't have the necessary intuition and (probably) the gear to contribute in any real way to the alliance. And if your gear completely sucks, it doesn't matter how good/intuitive you are. It's definitely up to each alliance leader to make those calls. But there's no point getting mad at an alli leader for not choosing you. They probably had 10-20 tells to sift through to fill 2 spots. If you didn't seem like the best option, you didn't get picked, end of story.
Agree!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-21 10:53:38
I dunno!
NNI is pretty pathetic now
I think you'd need to be braindead to fail there was some guy that hexa boxxed on here; I wonder if he got to floor 100 alone yet
My housemate duo'd NNI with a 3-box and 2-box to sell ***, wasn't that hard.
That said, Sylow, you can't really be compared to a regular casual...so ofc NNI is braindead to you, but that isn't the case for everyone.
With the combination of the nerf to mob levels and Delve weaponry (which casual players can get pretty easily) things die in like 2 hits
I was 2boxing SCH and COR (I didn't even do anything or move on COR) and someone else was 2boxing BRD!
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By Asura.Hoshiku 2013-05-21 10:54:26
Full pearle might make things difficult but I would argue a player who showed up in full pearle did not know much about their job as there are easy to get alternatives for most slots. My main point is that you can show up in all the maxed out delve gear you want to wear but if you don't know how to play your job you are so much dead weight.
I'm sure many of you see everyday shouts that required veteran players , play style . For quite some time i been pondering in the meaning of this nowadays, what does it truly means?.
Does it means that you are super elite and have great gear for your jobs?, or is it that you have too much time in your hands to do log in for 14 hrs a day and accomplished what some people cant in a tight schedule. FFXI is recently celebrating their 11th anniversary and with this being said, at least in my personal experience i haven't seen many new players come into the game , sometimes i read in the forums of very old friends and well known players returning to the game, but rarely do i see new people getting into the game, and when you do 80% of the time is the account of and existing player that got sick of shouting for something and decided to make a WHM account to dual box.
I would like to know peoples opinions in this matter , as im concerned Veteran has become nothing more than a rank in crafting and that's about it. because in reality how long do you have to play to become good at your job?. some people excel in large events while others are better suited for small scale missions and events, but that is nothing more than play stile .
i know that ffxi community has been famous for quite some for being either nice and friendly or complete elitists pricks no offense intended in this comment by the way. I'm just wondering were do we draw the line to define players as veterans and such . because even after you have all the best gear available to your job, how are you supposed to judge?. A whm job is to cure , rng to shoot shit and dd's well to hit stuff with a thunder stick. But after 11 years of beating stuff with the same thunder stick how much longer do we need before we can acknowledge that other people are good at their jobs , or compliment them or even advise them. Since it seems that is either be categorized as elite or GTFO. Very sorry for the wall of text now let the killing begin . I'll lay back and get my shield ready for the opinions to come .
Sincerely ~ Nadie
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