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 Cerberus.Thongypoo
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By Cerberus.Thongypoo 2013-05-07 16:33:39
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Lye said: »
Asura.Ina said: »
Lye said: »
Regardless of whether you use the Pamun/Pamun, Pamun/Kiji, Pamun/Kannagi, or Kiji/Kannagi you're better off than you were with Kannagi 99 (assuming you get Hi and aftermath which is what Matsui is alluding to).

Better = Better


EDIT: I see.

I think the point stands. If you have 80/85/90/95 Kannagi or WoE, you're THAT much closer to a wicked combo. If you're disinterested in finishing, go the shun route and lament the 2 weeks it took you to get 80/85/90/WoE.
Actually you might be better off single wielding with out 2 Pamuns depending on your buffs. I don't know the math to say one way or another but I know that was something for DNC to look at.

As for the aftermath part unless I missed a second post it seemed like he was pointing in the direction of not keeping the aftermath if anything.

If there were no aftermath, Empyrean 99 = WoE 99. I don't think this will happen.


I could be wrong. I can't wait to find out.

I'm not as optimistic. I have cancelled my account until they at the very least make an announcement with a concrete plan. This isn't the only reason I cancelled but part of me hopes they will notice if enough people cancel and make it a bit more important of an update. We shall see though. For now I will play out May =).
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By Lye 2013-05-07 16:36:00
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If they're able to do what he alluded to, we'll see an announcement this month.

Otherwise, I'm sure they'll continue to investigate other means. Either way, I'm excited!




The "end of FFXI" is looking pretty balmy!
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By skyehope928 2013-05-07 16:52:33
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Kannagi for the win
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-07 17:27:24
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
This is a page late or something - but I hate it when people suggest BLU as a solution to "how does I does this event"

BLU is inherently a complicated job and if you have to ask how to do something you're probably not fast-adaptable enough to whip out your BLU and succeed at anything that requires more than auto-attacking
"But you said BLU could duo Briareus with a WHM/solo this Apollyon zone/solo this random Abyssea NM"
"Well yes, I did"
"You lied, you actually know nothing about this game, we wiped within 20%"
"Maybe you should get an eva, PDT, <insert proper set for BLU>"
"Wouldn't have changed anything, you lied, I'll shout for more people"

And this is why I stopped playing with any of my coworkers and will probably never do it again.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 17:37:19
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
This is a page late or something - but I hate it when people suggest BLU as a solution to "how does I does this event"

BLU is inherently a complicated job and if you have to ask how to do something you're probably not fast-adaptable enough to whip out your BLU and succeed at anything that requires more than auto-attacking
"But you said BLU could duo Briareus with a WHM/solo this Apollyon zone/solo this random Abyssea NM"
"Well yes, I did"
"You lied, you actually know nothing about this game, we wiped within 20%"
"Maybe you should get an eva, PDT, <insert proper set for BLU>"
"Wouldn't have changed anything, you lied, I'll shout for more people"

And this is why I stopped playing with any of my coworkers and will probably never do it again.


LOL
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-07 17:42:40
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WHAT I NEED MORE THAN ONE SET

*** THIS NOISE
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By Lye 2013-05-07 17:44:57
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Console limitations.
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By Odin.Exeter 2013-05-07 18:12:23
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
"But you said BLU could duo Briareus with a WHM/solo this Apollyon zone/solo this random Abyssea NM"
"Well yes, I did"
"You lied, you actually know nothing about this game, we wiped within 20%"
"Maybe you should get an eva, PDT, <insert proper set for BLU>"
"Wouldn't have changed anything, you lied, I'll shout for more people"
If you wiped in Abyssea you deserved it!
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-07 18:40:03
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Anyone find it funny that he posted about delve, but not about REM's and comments?
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By Avitori 2013-05-07 19:06:13
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Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Anyone find it funny that he posted about delve, but not about REM's and comments?

I'm not holding my breath at this point, I don't think they are coming back :[ I hope I am wrong though
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2013-05-07 19:08:01
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I'm not surprised, I expect this really.

Gonna give them to the weekend before I do unsub or anything, I want to to see some kind of post about it.
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-07 23:19:54
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Avitori said: »
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Anyone find it funny that he posted about delve, but not about REM's and comments?

I'm not holding my breath at this point, I don't think they are coming back :[ I hope I am wrong though


Neither am I. :( I thought I'd quit when the servers shut down, not kicking and screaming Q_Q!!!

Goodnight, guys.
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By Cerberus.Neojuggernaut 2013-05-07 23:23:23
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Honestly, I'd rather them not say anything about R/E/M updates till they figure out wtf they are even going to do with them. Otherwise, another half assed answer will just have this topic forum double in two days. However, I'm giving them another month to come up with something...it's really not that difficult...
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-05-07 23:27:39
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Cerberus.Thongypoo said: »
I'm not as optimistic. I have cancelled my account until they at the very least make an announcement with a concrete plan. This isn't the only reason I cancelled but part of me hopes they will notice if enough people cancel and make it a bit more important of an update. We shall see though. For now I will play out May =).

Dearest Banana,

Many people threatened to quit, and no doubt, many of us question why we're still playing but the attachment to our pixels will keep us playing. They can make my gear irrelevant but I'm still proud of it, if that makes any sense.

The attachment to the pixels, in defiance of the rules of theworld they reside, will keep too many people-including myself-playing.

Thus, SE will learn no message. The small number that quits will be countered by the small number that comes back, for a time, because of this.

And I'm sure we well know, that staying away from XI is hard. Despite everything done to it, it is the game i've played, apart from devs and graphics.

With love,
Grapefruit.
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By Asura.Tarquine 2013-05-08 06:26:32
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I was in the middle of slowly building my first Empys (lvl 80 Gandiva; 80 Masa 16/75 Souls for Ochain) and slowly farming dyna currency for Spharai (got about 50% of the currency in a safe place).

At the current rate though, completing any of these is going to be a huge waste of time. The real kick in the face, is the current mind set of "REM weapon only" to join any of the Delve content, so that I can get hands on a Delve weapon. Fortunately, I have BRD/WHM and other support jobs to fill the gap, but i do enjoy using a DD job on occasion too!
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-08 06:27:29
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Oh we upgraded from slap in the face to kick in the face!
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-08 06:58:41
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Oh we upgraded from slap in the face to kick in the face!

Wait till next month, gonna be a d*ckslap to the face. From there... Oh, you don't wanna know.
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By Bismarck.Punchus 2013-05-08 07:16:19
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Oh we upgraded from slap in the face to kick in the face!

Wait till next month, gonna be a d*ckslap to the face. From there... Oh, you don't wanna know.

I feel like in these last two posts I wasn't kissed. Maybe in the next posts they won't use lube.
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By Bismarck.Vurant 2013-05-08 07:16:48
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Valefor.Omnys said: »
Cerberus.Thongypoo said: »
I'm not as optimistic. I have cancelled my account until they at the very least make an announcement with a concrete plan. This isn't the only reason I cancelled but part of me hopes they will notice if enough people cancel and make it a bit more important of an update. We shall see though. For now I will play out May =).

Dearest Banana,

Many people threatened to quit, and no doubt, many of us question why we're still playing but the attachment to our pixels will keep us playing. They can make my gear irrelevant but I'm still proud of it, if that makes any sense.

The attachment to the pixels, in defiance of the rules of theworld they reside, will keep too many people-including myself-playing.

Thus, SE will learn no message. The small number that quits will be countered by the small number that comes back, for a time, because of this.

And I'm sure we well know, that staying away from XI is hard. Despite everything done to it, it is the game i've played, apart from devs and graphics.

With love,
Grapefruit.

Very true and i couldn't have said it better. But attachement to the pixels can be found elsewhere too. The direction Matsui is taking FFXI will soon make it pretty similar to many newer MMORPGs out there and even F2P MMORPGs.

I, for one, since i never tried another MMORPG, i'm curious to see what is out there since Matsui has given me this chance.

As i said before, FFXI will always be in my heart and i cherish the times i had with it. I'm also happy many players don't mind the changes and will continue to play and old players making a come back, that is a very good thing. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and can choose what they like.

For me the following quote is one of many things that i read and agreed 100% as far as R/M/E concerned.

Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
I'm also slightly annoyed that SE made 95% of content irrelevant overnight so that instead of logging in and choosing the event that I feel like doing the most and still being able to do something relevant to the growth of my character - I'm left with the option of a single event (Delve)

This cannot be overstated. FFXI's major attraction in terms of endgame has always been that gear acquisition was horizontal rather than vertical (the WoW model). Chucking the two of the three things* that differentiated XI (wide array of endgame choices, relative safety of investing in weapons) for no apparent reason is insane beyond any ability to explain.

* = the third is the job/subjob system itself, which has been so great for so long that we just take it for granted.

For me Kelhor and Sylow are 2 of few people in this topic that have my respect since their posts are right to the point on the things this update has changed, and look things on rather meticulous and objective way. So some of you who are too bored to read the whole topic can read only their posts as they talk about not only R/M/E but for nearly everything this update affected.

Some may not agree on the above but that is my humble opinion.

Cheers all. :)
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-08 09:01:02
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Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Anyone find it funny that he posted about delve, but not about REM's and comments?

I don't expect them to say anything at the moment. It would be foolish of him to open his mouth again if it's anything short of "complete overhaul of RME" or "go *** yourself".

Frankly, I'm kind of glad they're not saying anything yet because I can foolishly hope he's choosing his words wisely (or writing the games obituary).
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-08 09:04:15
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Matsui is likely too scared of us atm.
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By fillerbunny9 2013-05-08 09:11:33
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and by "us" you mean the raging JP on their forum. they don't give two squirts about the other regions, as evidenced by various other decisions they've made.
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By Asura.Vishna 2013-05-08 09:13:22
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Matsui's probably busy shouting in Port Jeuno for help with the first Limit Break quest.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-08 09:15:59
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Asura.Vishna said: »
Matsui's probably busy shouting in Port Jeuno for help with the first Limit Break quest.
Didn't they make that soloable a ways back?

Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Anyone find it funny that he posted about delve, but not about REM's and comments?

I don't expect them to say anything at the moment. It would be foolish of him to open his mouth again if it's anything short of "complete overhaul of RME" or "go *** yourself".

Frankly, I'm kind of glad they're not saying anything yet because I can foolishly hope he's choosing his words wisely (or writing the games obituary).
Yeah I can't help but feel like what he put out last time was thrown together in around 5 minutes.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-05-08 09:18:24
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
On a personal level, I hope Matsui's too afraid to sleep at night due to what he's done. I hope that fear burns itself into his head. Matsui, the very dev that had gone on record claiming his highest level character was a goddamned level 40. The very dev that doesn't have an R/M/E weapon due to his LEVEL BEING TOO LOW FOR THEM, which may explain why he seemingly hates them and those who have them. The very dev who more than likely doesn't gear swap for optimum damage or spell power.

I sometimes question why SE even gave him control instead of just setting Tanaka up to work from home during his prolonged illness. At least Tanaka knew wtf was up with gear and told us long beforehand. Tanaka also understood that the "legendary" weapons were intended to be the best we could get our hands on and did what he could to ensure it remained that way.

So what you are saying is a casual took this game over xD.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-08 09:18:44
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
On a personal level, I hope Matsui's too afraid to sleep at night due to what he's done. I hope that fear burns itself into his head. Matsui, the very dev that had gone on record claiming his highest level character was a goddamned level 40. The very dev that doesn't have an R/M/E weapon due to his LEVEL BEING TOO LOW FOR THEM, which may explain why he seemingly hates them and those who have them. The very dev who more than likely doesn't gear swap for optimum damage or spell power.
I think you might be reading too much into it if you are serious. More likely he is attempting to bring XI more in line with the same concepts as other MMOs. What he somehow failed to account for was the amount of people who play XI because it is not like other MMOs.

The level 40 thing was a long time ago too if I remember right so he might be higher since that.
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
On a personal level, I hope Matsui's too afraid to sleep at night due to what he's done. I hope that fear burns itself into his head. Matsui, the very dev that had gone on record claiming his highest level character was a goddamned level 40. The very dev that doesn't have an R/M/E weapon due to his LEVEL BEING TOO LOW FOR THEM, which may explain why he seemingly hates them and those who have them. The very dev who more than likely doesn't gear swap for optimum damage or spell power.

I sometimes question why SE even gave him control instead of just setting Tanaka up to work from home during his prolonged illness. At least Tanaka knew wtf was up with gear and told us long beforehand. Tanaka also understood that the "legendary" weapons were intended to be the best we could get our hands on and did what he could to ensure it remained that way.

Dude.... it's a game.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-08 09:23:12
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Fenrir.Candlejack said: »
On a personal level, I hope Matsui's too afraid to sleep at night due to what he's done. I hope that fear burns itself into his head. Matsui, the very dev that had gone on record claiming his highest level character was a goddamned level 40. The very dev that doesn't have an R/M/E weapon due to his LEVEL BEING TOO LOW FOR THEM, which may explain why he seemingly hates them and those who have them. The very dev who more than likely doesn't gear swap for optimum damage or spell power..


Its just a game man and I'm sure he sleeps pretty good with all the money they keep making off of people who keep saying they are going to Rage quit.
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