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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-07 10:12:08
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-07 10:12:44
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Lol. I think they are trying to mask the R/M/E issue by making it hard for a casual to get the new weapons. BRILLIANT!
I think it's more of a "Hmmmm maybe this will make people do Skirmish..."

Nah, but now it's time for those who trolled people about the R/M/E issue to start complaining, and I say we're there to make fun of them!

Then again, maybe SE wasn't happy pissing off only half of the playerbase, they wanted to piss off everyone!
Idk correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the Skirmish weapons already challenging/beating out R/E/M 99 which is likely the kind of thing that would be needed for anyone that doesn't have delve weapons? If they don't up the drop rate of skirmish entry items that won't go anywhere though.

I think when the numbers were crunched, Skirmish weapons beat Relics by an insignificant amount, while people felt relics should be boosted just above them, no one was really worried about them.
That's kinda my point, it fits with their goal of creating a new baseline and initiating a gear ladder. Use random crap to do skirmish > field Delve NMs > Dungeon Delve NMs. Of course the AHable weapons go around skirmish but they don't exist for every weapon type.

But it won't actually work that way. All the high end shells have already gotten their members the KI's. They'll just make farming points a LS event so all their peeps will have the gear. Low key / social / casual shells / groups on the other hand won't have this stuff and are now stuck in the back and locked out.

IE
/sh Wildkeeper Reive X @13/18 Delve DD only

With previous content the people with less playtime are able to slowly hammer out the rewards. May take them awhile but it'll get done so the only difference between casual and non-casual was time required to acquire gear. Now it's putting a hard block in the way due to plasm farming.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:14:28
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Personally, I see a R/M/E update on the way, now. This will, to some degree, slow down Delve progress so they have time to work out a solution for R/M/Es, or so they think. These high damage weapons will probably be complemented next update by higher defense armor, and maybe a tube of Preparation-R/M/E.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-07 10:15:51
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I'm expecting the "RME" update to require items dropped from the final Boss's. Probably 3~5 each. Just cause SE is *** like that.
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By Bismarck.Baalthus 2013-05-07 10:17:08
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The Great Butthurt of 2013

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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-07 10:18:42
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Personally, I see a R/M/E update on the way, now. This will, to some degree, slow down Delve progress so they have time to work out a solution for R/M/Es, or so they think. These high damage weapons will probably be complemented next update by higher defense armor, and maybe a tube of Preparation-R/M/E.

Eh - Wamoura and Orobon are already very do-able in less than 20 minutes and most people who would have probably been able to do Delve have already gotten at least one T4-T5 kill at this point
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:19:00
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
I'm expecting the "RME" update to require items dropped from the final Boss's. Probably 3~5 each. Just cause SE is *** like that.

Well, if you look at it the way you said, Relics could be the equalizer here, a Relic might get you into those "Delve DD only" parties. I'm not saying SE planned to do this, but it was probably an after thought.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:19:39
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Bismarck.Baalthus said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
The Great Butthurt of 2013

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GTFO I already named it!
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-07 10:21:47
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I'm expecting the "RME" update to require items dropped from the final Boss's. Probably 3~5 each. Just cause SE is *** like that.

Well, if you look at it the way you said, Relics could be the equalizer here, a Relic might get you into those "Delve DD only" parties. I'm not saying SE planned to do this, but it was probably an after thought.

Except to get those items you need ... to be doing delve.

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"We're only accepting DD's with Delve weapons into our Tier IV Morimar farming run"

You all know the community will do that. They always go for the highest chance of success and now with a hard 20m limit that means zerging it with obscenely buffed DDs.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-07 10:25:03
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You know all this time people spent bitching and crying about REMs they could have used that time and found out all the NMs Gimmicks and SE wouldn't have to put a hard timer of 20mins on nms.
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By Afania 2013-05-07 10:25:29
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Really want to quit, for real......slapping R/E/M owner's face is bad enough, "Big LS or gtfo" makes it even worse...I was kinda enjoying the fact that I can log on anytime and /shout for a Delve ally to make progress, now it's not gonna work anymore if I need to find 17 ppl with specific job/gears/setup to beat the NM in 20 min. I don't really have the energy to make a LS/group/connection for ***like this anymore. Since lowman content kinda not worth doing now, I'm not sure what else I can do in FFXI :(
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:25:31
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
I'm expecting the "RME" update to require items dropped from the final Boss's. Probably 3~5 each. Just cause SE is *** like that.

Well, if you look at it the way you said, Relics could be the equalizer here, a Relic might get you into those "Delve DD only" parties. I'm not saying SE planned to do this, but it was probably an after thought.

Except to get those items you need ... to be doing delve.

IE
"We're only accepting DD's with Delve weapons into our Tier IV Morimar farming run"

You all know the community will do that. They always go for the highest chance of success and now with a hard 20m limit that means zerging it with obscenely buffed DDs.

Delve, at the moment, has nothing to do with Relics.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-07 10:27:01
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You know all this time people spent bitching and crying about REMs they could have used that time and found out all the NMs Gimmicks and SE wouldn't have to put a hard timer of 20mins on nms.

Actually plenty of hardcore players already figured out most of the gimmicks, and all the people with way too much time decided to chip their HP for 3 hours.

But I'm going to guess you don't know that because you haven't fought a single NM, haven't read any of the info, and you're just here to shitpost.
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By Cerberus.Legend 2013-05-07 10:27:01
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When someone with one empy goes up to you and says "Glad I'm not you." You know SE screwed up.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-07 10:27:15
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Odin.Arkista said: »
You know all this time people spent bitching and crying about REMs they could have used that time and found out all the NMs Gimmicks and SE wouldn't have to put a hard timer of 20mins on nms.
They're about all known, and pugs will still fail at them at a 75% rate in my opinion.

edit: once they make them 20 min limit.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-07 10:27:51
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You know all this time people spent bitching and crying about REMs they could have used that time and found out all the NMs Gimmicks and SE wouldn't have to put a hard timer of 20mins on nms.

Actually plenty of hardcore players already figured out most of the gimmicks, and all the people with way too much time decided to chip their HP for 3 hours.

But I'm going to guess you don't know that because you haven't fought a single NM, haven't read any of the info, and you're just here to shitpost.
Seeing how I have most of my KIs done ya I don't know ***
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-07 10:30:08
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SE *** up they shouldn't have released Delve so soon they should have waited for more people to get Skirmish weapons and then gave us Delve.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-07 10:32:08
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i got all my KIs 8boxing half the alliance with my shitty 90 verethragna mules as half the dd

my ls is organized, but you dont need amazing gear or anything to get the KIs.. makes me think saevel has either never tried the NMs or is downright awful
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:32:09
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Odin.Arkista said: »
SE *** up they shouldn't have released Delve so soon they should have waited for more people to get Skirmish weapons and then gave us Delve.

You actually said something agreeable, good job, little tater-tot, good job!
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-07 10:33:57
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
i got all my KIs 8boxing half the alliance

Octoboxing is the new hexaboxing?

Weapon damage isn't the only thing that's spiraling out of control
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By Lye 2013-05-07 10:34:34
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
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Lol. I think they are trying to mask the R/M/E issue by making it hard for a casual to get the new weapons. BRILLIANT!
I think it's more of a "Hmmmm maybe this will make people do Skirmish..."

Nah, but now it's time for those who trolled people about the R/M/E issue to start complaining, and I say we're there to make fun of them!

Then again, maybe SE wasn't happy pissing off only half of the playerbase, they wanted to piss off everyone!
Idk correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the Skirmish weapons already challenging/beating out R/E/M 99 which is likely the kind of thing that would be needed for anyone that doesn't have delve weapons? If they don't up the drop rate of skirmish entry items that won't go anywhere though.

I think when the numbers were crunched, Skirmish weapons beat Relics by an insignificant amount, while people felt relics should be boosted just above them, no one was really worried about them.
That's kinda my point, it fits with their goal of creating a new baseline and initiating a gear ladder. Use random crap to do skirmish > field Delve NMs > Dungeon Delve NMs. Of course the AHable weapons go around skirmish but they don't exist for every weapon type.

But it won't actually work that way. All the high end shells have already gotten their members the KI's. They'll just make farming points a LS event so all their peeps will have the gear. Low key / social / casual shells / groups on the other hand won't have this stuff and are now stuck in the back and locked out.

IE
/sh Wildkeeper Reive X @13/18 Delve DD only

With previous content the people with less playtime are able to slowly hammer out the rewards. May take them awhile but it'll get done so the only difference between casual and non-casual was time required to acquire gear. Now it's putting a hard block in the way due to plasm farming.


Wildskeeper Reives are open to any participant with the KI.

Delve fracture farming can be done with 4 (maybe less).
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-07 10:35:13
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Easy with enough tentacles!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-07 10:35:50
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SE *** up they shouldn't have released Delve so soon they should have waited for more people to get Skirmish weapons and then gave us Delve.

You actually said something agreeable, good job, little tater-tot, good job!

Except for the part where Skirmish and Delve were meant to be released simultaneously! Go figure!
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-07 10:38:32
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
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SE *** up they shouldn't have released Delve so soon they should have waited for more people to get Skirmish weapons and then gave us Delve.

You actually said something agreeable, good job, little tater-tot, good job!

Except for the part where Skirmish and Delve were meant to be released simultaneously! Go figure!
SE cant do ***right no surprise there.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-07 10:41:14
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Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
i got all my KIs 8boxing half the alliance

Octoboxing is the new hexaboxing?

Weapon damage isn't the only thing that's spiraling out of control
had all these chars over a year, not really new

but thats not really the point, i have much less control than 8 real players and 3/6 of our dd were copypaste 90 vereth mnks.. anyone can get this done if they use a teensy bit of organization and thought
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-07 10:48:41
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What would you guys do if the new weapons had their base damage nerfed and their damage rating now was only active in Delve?
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2013-05-07 10:50:58
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahah.
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Time to farm gil to buy my KIs from big LS :<
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-07 10:51:18
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i think most of us would be pretty bored since old content is still outdated by delve gear and plasma farming is mind numbing once you get past the shinies
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-07 10:52:57
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I would be pissed
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