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By Lakshmi.Tadakichi 2013-05-06 18:18:53
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I'm also slightly annoyed that SE made 95% of content irrelevant overnight so that instead of logging in and choosing the event that I feel like doing the most and still being able to do something relevant to the growth of my character - I'm left with the option of a single event (Delve) which will continue to grow staler and staler until challenging the bosses becomes a reality after months of grinding the event


On the upside, at least Delve is fun and they actually listened to the player base on point systems. And it's a pretty bite-sized and inclusive event.


i don't feel llike they made 95% of content irrelevant. lot of content still relevant for gear (neo nyzul, VW, salvage, limbus, einherjar, abyssea +2 gear). Still see a lot of shouts for old stuff ^^
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2013-05-06 18:24:44
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I'm also slightly annoyed that SE made 95% of content irrelevant overnight so that instead of logging in and choosing the event that I feel like doing the most and still being able to do something relevant to the growth of my character - I'm left with the option of a single event (Delve) which will continue to grow staler and staler until challenging the bosses becomes a reality after months of grinding the event


On the upside, at least Delve is fun and they actually listened to the player base on point systems. And it's a pretty bite-sized and inclusive event.


Doing a group content fight, in which a monster enrages after 40%ish percent because no one can hit the darn thing is not my idea of fun. They stated these fights are supposed to take roughly 15 minutes to kill each and currently not near that mark.
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-05-06 18:28:26
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Lakshmi.Mahoro said: »
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I'm also slightly annoyed that SE made 95% of content irrelevant overnight so that instead of logging in and choosing the event that I feel like doing the most and still being able to do something relevant to the growth of my character - I'm left with the option of a single event (Delve) which will continue to grow staler and staler until challenging the bosses becomes a reality after months of grinding the event


On the upside, at least Delve is fun and they actually listened to the player base on point systems. And it's a pretty bite-sized and inclusive event.

I'm not sure I'd characterize it as inclusive.
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2013-05-06 18:37:37
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I'd love cata, even a weaker version as a utility WS.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 18:45:20
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I'd love cata, even a weaker version as a utility WS.

You're saying you'd have no problem at all with your Apoc, your Ragnarok, and your Liberator being completely useless?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-06 18:45:38
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Quetzalcoatl.Avengers said: »
Lakshmi.Mahoro said: »
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I'm also slightly annoyed that SE made 95% of content irrelevant overnight so that instead of logging in and choosing the event that I feel like doing the most and still being able to do something relevant to the growth of my character - I'm left with the option of a single event (Delve) which will continue to grow staler and staler until challenging the bosses becomes a reality after months of grinding the event


On the upside, at least Delve is fun and they actually listened to the player base on point systems. And it's a pretty bite-sized and inclusive event.


Doing a group content fight, in which a monster enrages after 40%ish percent because no one can hit the darn thing is not my idea of fun. They stated these fights are supposed to take roughly 15 minutes to kill each and currently not near that mark.

If your a shell full of already pimped out members then they can take 10~15m to kill, especially if you do it in the fracture (where most shells kill them). Of course that is a minority of players. Most will have to deal with the 2+ hr long fights because the moment the monster rages everything slows down to a crawl.

They designed the fight as a gear check, either your elite enough to pass and get the shinies or your supposed to fail / wipe and spend more time to slowly build yourself to the level of the uber shells. Of course this doesn't actually happen, the uber shells will poach your best support crew and you'll be forever having to find new ones.
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2013-05-06 18:51:57
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No.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-06 18:53:11
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
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I'd love cata, even a weaker version as a utility WS.

You're saying you'd have no problem at all with your Apoc, your Ragnarok, and your Liberator being completely useless?


Done right I am.

Done wrong I am not.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 18:57:32
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Phoenix.Urteil said: »
No.

"No", you wouldn't have a problem with it or "No", What I said was incorrect?
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2013-05-06 19:00:29
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
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No.

"No", you wouldn't have a problem with it or "No", What I said was incorrect?

stop twisting what he was saying. you can have both if they do it right (though they won't but still)
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2013-05-06 19:06:36
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I don't have a problem with them being useless.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 19:15:44
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I don't have a problem with them being useless.

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By erroneous42 2013-05-06 19:28:51
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Phoenix.Urteil said: »
I don't have a problem with them being useless.

The minority report
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By Shiva.Slonkey 2013-05-06 19:48:38
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 19:54:23
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.

Third once people start synthing the AHable weapons.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-06 20:02:09
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Phoenix.Urteil said: »
I don't have a problem with them being useless.

I would have less of a problem if I didn't make Mythics because they were interesting weapons that meshed seamlessly with the jobs they were designed for

It's really hard to give up an interesting weapon that augments your job uniquely for a boring augment weapon

Although at least Rigor B's aren't completely boring
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 20:08:35
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I think I'm becoming one of those men who just want to watch the world burn, I hope they nerf all of that new ***.

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By Bahamut.Sharmarali 2013-05-06 20:15:07
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It's not only what he said, but how he said it. It came out as they have not even plans yet for what to do about this and just threw an idea out there(and he even went "oh right!" when someone pointed out mythics already have ws available). The biggest concern is the utter lack of forethought they put into this.

This. Personally, I also took issue with the fact that he basically said "at least you made some memories." It's practically an admission that they never had any real intent to keep R/M/E viable.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 20:23:58
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
It's not only what he said, but how he said it. It came out as they have not even plans yet for what to do about this and just threw an idea out there(and he even went "oh right!" when someone pointed out mythics already have ws available). The biggest concern is the utter lack of forethought they put into this.

This. Personally, I also took issue with the fact that he basically said "at least you made some memories." It's practically an admission that they never had any real intent to keep R/M/E viable.

Memories are made for ***you don't do anymore, Matsui wants us to quit and look back fondly as we remember that time we yanked it to that AFK manthra, or that time you got some cool piece of gear only for it to be obsolete a week later. Maybe he wants to make us angry, sad, perhaps horny, but probably crazy. Or maybe he's Super Sentai Matsui, a secret agent hired be EA sports to sabotage Square-Enix. Who knows?
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-06 20:37:11
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
Nobody said you had to be second best people need to get off their *** and go do Delve and you wouldn't be falling behind.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-05-06 20:42:04
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
Nobody said you had to be second best people need to get off their *** and go do Delve and you wouldn't be falling behind.

He's not pissed he's 2nd best. He's pissed all that time and effort was for nothing, and he basically has to start from scratch.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-06 20:49:03
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
Nobody said you had to be second best people need to get off their *** and go do Delve and you wouldn't be falling behind.

He's not pissed he's 2nd best. He's pissed all that time and effort was for nothing, and he basically has to start from scratch.
Start from scratch what 2-3 days? Once more and more people get these new weapons they going to be like wtf was I QQing about.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-06 20:54:25
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You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 20:58:27
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It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
Nobody said you had to be second best people need to get off their *** and go do Delve and you wouldn't be falling behind.

He's not pissed he's 2nd best. He's pissed all that time and effort was for nothing, and he basically has to start from scratch.

Also, when it comes to Matsui's vision, these weapons are probably absolute ***! Yay!! 247 base damage for my Resolution spam! Senbaak is just Adoulinian for "Ascalon" enjoy your piece of shi- oh wait, you guys don't have Senbaak's? Right? That's ok, the Seeker's version of Skofnung is coming out next month, till then, have fun doing pointless and mundane tasks for something you'll never use again after June! Hooray!!
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-06 21:01:48
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You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".

Any post that starts with "You're mad because" is a troll post, anything written after those three words is irrelevant because it's just one big, elaborate "U mad, bro?"
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By Sylph.Systematicchaos 2013-05-06 21:02:00
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
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Odin.Arkista said: »
Shiva.Slonkey said: »
It pisses me off that I spent a fair amount of gil and time to collect everything to be instantly second best by a longshot.
Nobody said you had to be second best people need to get off their *** and go do Delve and you wouldn't be falling behind.

He's not pissed he's 2nd best. He's pissed all that time and effort was for nothing, and he basically has to start from scratch.

Also, when it comes to Matsui's vision, these weapons are probably absolute ***! Yay!! 247 base damage for my Resolution spam! Senbaak is just Adoulinian for "Ascalon" enjoy your piece of shi- oh wait, you guys don't have Senbaak's? Right? That's ok, the Seeker's version of Skofnung is coming out next month, till then, have fun doing pointless and mundane tasks for something you'll never use again after June! Hooray!!

Hopefully off a challenging enough mob that it requires the new weapons at the least so people can *** about how they can't kill things and they don't want to do delve to get the weapons to kill it because it's a waste of their time. *rolls eyes*
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2013-05-06 21:07:15
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U mean mad over years and hundreds of million of gil ppl spent on one weapon? People who did aren't happy, yes we expect the time and effort to last. Pepople who didn't are cause now they can have a far superior weapon for a fraction of the cost and effort.
And to add insult to injury we will soon be able to just go to the ah and buy a weapon that pwns a 99r/e/m.
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-06 21:10:39
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Odin.Arkista said: »
You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".



You have no accomplishments to be proud of. Now your post makes sense.
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By Lakshmi.Tadakichi 2013-05-06 21:11:34
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If your a shell full of already pimped out members then they can take 10~15m to kill, especially if you do it in the fracture (where most shells kill them). Of course that is a minority of players. Most will have to deal with the 2+ hr long fights because the moment the monster rages everything slows down to a crawl.

They designed the fight as a gear check, either your elite enough to pass and get the shinies or your supposed to fail / wipe and spend more time to slowly build yourself to the level of the uber shells. Of course this doesn't actually happen, the uber shells will poach your best support crew and you'll be forever having to find new ones.

Lot of the NM's have tricks so the majority of players can kill them np. And sure, it may be 2+ hr long, but most are one-time fights, and you only need 6 NM to be 6/6 KI. Majority of players have no issue spending 12 hrs to farm Dyna 6 times, so i don't see issue spending 12 hours to kill 6 NM. If ppl having issues, can always have half the ally switch to SMN and Nether Blast to death lol. It works on several of them.
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By Odin.Arkista 2013-05-06 21:12:24
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You're mad because an item you spent time on in an MMO, software that's designed to occupy your time, became obsolete in an update and you don't want to spend more time getting something new. You're mad that others spent their time in the game doing something else instead, and now new content requires that those players, and yourself, have access to more powerful weapons... No one took the item you worked for and invested time in away, they simply replaced it with one more suited to the new content. If you feel that invalidates the reward you put effort towards, perhaps you should reassess how you spend your time in game... it's supposed to be an enjoyable experience, not a job.

Let's suppose they upgrade RMEs to be vastly more powerful than the new weapons, but they add a modifier that makes it so they don't deal damage to Delve monsters... would you still be mad? Why?

Does the fact that other people have access to a powerful weapon without a tremendous amount of effort bother you? Does it make you feel like your previous reward is less valuable? It's not like they're giving away RMEs here (but, by the way, they already do that from time to time...), they just created a different item... we all recognize that you spent time, and may I be the first to say: "good for you".



You have no accomplishments to be proud of. Now your post makes sense.
Why because I play on 360 and you cant see what I have ?
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