I got Rigor Baghnakhs yesterday
RIP Kenkonken
4/29/2013 - 4/29/2013
Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"
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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
Speaking of Mythics
I got Rigor Baghnakhs yesterday RIP Kenkonken 4/29/2013 - 4/29/2013
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83 pages....
Ain't nobody got time for that. Ragnarok.Returner said: » Siren.Barber said: » Ragnarok.Returner said: » Siren.Barber said: » Phoenix.Kojo said: » Siren.Barber said: » Phoenix.Kojo said: » So, does anyone think they actually will end up boosting Relics, with all the outrage from all sides and even JPs quitting? I really doubt it. For all the complaining the bottom line is that the new top of the line weapons (not the 30k plasm ones) are going to be more rare than relics or emps (even the 99 versions). And then to max them you have to spend 70 million gil on airlixers that won't be going down in price since it takes the equivalent of 300M gil just to upgrade one set of armor. I understand that people are upset that an easily acquired weapon is surpassed by something easy to get (the 30k weapons). But the BEST weapons are still gonna be a PITA to acquire and in the end will reward skill over crour botting or fish botting. I wouldn't expect anything more than the possible ws addition (with perhaps a reworking of some ws to make them 1% better than the merit ws). I guess we won't know until we know though. I'm not exactly sure how cruor botting is all that profitable unless you mean cells, and most people get those with cruor to use. Fish botting could be somewhat profitable, I guess. Most of the gil in circulation seems to be spun around in a cycle revolving around currency, Alexandrite, and HMPs. Someone suggested SE may fear the Japanese gaming magazines getting ahold of this info and how it could reflect on the company going into FFXIV. Trillions of gil was created by npcing blinkers before the nerf. It would take 100 years of fishbotting glacier to equal the gil that blinkers pumped into the economy. People 2-18 boxed it and maxed gil on many characters. What did they do with it? Bought a metric ton of R/M/E. There was no skill required except that first week of doing glavoids when people were getting one shotted. And fish botting is not 'somewhat profitable', with an alt account you are looking at over a billion gil a year. That's 5-7 level 99 weapons right there for doing absolutely nothing. Of course the new mats for uber weapons can be sold as well so the problem persists. But I don't think they will be sold at any price for a very long time. Opinions vary, but having weapons being skill based to acquire (kill the trex in 10 minutes) then having gil to marginally upgrade them seems like a great system. Much better than 'start bot, collect relic weapon' That might be true but what about those who did dynamis everyday for their weapons and didn't bot for anything? The same argument was made when dynamis was made lowman. "What about those who did it the old/harder way?" I have a couple of emps rotting. Sucks for me. I also have horn/harp so I hit the lotto on that one. I've also been trying to get that horn since 2005 and I can tell you this.....it has never been easier to get a relic than it is now. Never. Not by a long shot. I still have spreadsheets of how much shihei/arrows/bolts I had to make everyday to be able to stay on a 2 year horn plan. It's just easier now. But even if that were not true, what was hard about farming dyna at 99? Nothing. Say what you will about delve, the mega bosses are challenging. How do I know this? I haven't seen any record of them being killed on siren yet at all. To me that means people need to step up their gear/skill to get it done. When a perle bst can do something it doesn't take skill imo. P.S. I know how delve works just fine. 10 min after the wall comes down to kill trex unless you want to go through the ordeal of farming beads. Have fun doing that. There is no comparison. RME take time and no skill. New mega weapons take skill then time to upgrade them. It's a better system. Does it suck that they implement it now after a decade of lulling us to sleep thinking ultimate weapons cant be topped? Yeah. But rip the bandaid off and stop letting gear be determined by who has the most alt accounts. So what about you and your LS did just that and upgraded your hard to get Delve weapon and spent 100M in upgrading them, and 2 months later SE is giving you something completely new that are twice as good that are easy to get, and note that there is another version that is even more annoying (not using the word hard cuz it isn't hard, it is just annoying to get 18 ppl of the same calibur) to get than the current Delve one. I ask you when do you call it enough is enough? I have absolutely no problem that the delve boss weapon being better than R/E/M, that's fine if that's the way they want it to be, valuing elite LS, but don't freaking make the 30k points weapons better, it takes about 1 day of work to get it. That's the true meaning of not knowing what they are doing. You still need KI from the boss! Kimori said: » Ragnarok.Returner said: » Kimori said: » Fenrir.Camiie said: » Yeah, if they're trying to "encourage" people to get back into the old endgame mega-LS scene then they are barking up the wrong tree. It's rather delusional and arrogant of them. Maybe they should try designing the game for the player base instead of hoping the player base will re-design itself for the game. So why arnt you playing WoW? Im pretty sure the majority of the game does not want easy content and likes the idea of having to use a LS again-which I state again because thats how this game started-. If you want easy weapons and easy gear go play something else. The only thing holding people to this game is "end game" not hey get everything in a week and get bored. Mind you just because it requires more ppl it doesn't make it harder. Harder to get into an elite LS maybe, once you are in, it ain't hard. You seem to consider "routine" easy, as ppl generally think spamming dynamis for 2 hours a day is easy. But if you think about it, everything in this game is like that, you spam meeble until you get what you want, same content, you spam salvage until you get what you want, same content, you spam abyssea until you get what you want, same content, you spam whatever you do to make gil until you have enough, same content. What is making these new weapon that you think is harder to get is the fact that you need 18 ppl, aside from that there is not a single thing that is hard about it. It is the most stupd and misconception that ppl have and one that SE is thinking about bringing back. Stupid misconception? or the fact you cant solo it like abyssea is the problem? im confused. Its not hard but you cant do it without a well equiped alliance? yet you cant solo it or even do it with a small party? yet its routine, but you still cant do it alone? so its --not-- more challenging? Yea it is easy to to get the new weapons, and they are stupidly overpowered. But the content could be harder, and them requiring alliances is the only way to keep things from being "yay everyone gets everything now we are bored" So it is better that that ppl with elite LS be "yay everyone gets everything now we are bored", and others without elite LS be "yay we will never get those weapons cuz we don't have a big group and now we are bored"? Half of the delve stuff are hard now because ppl haven't figured out the cookie cutting way of doing them. Most of them have gimmick that is just not out yet. Similar to how VW first came out and no one understand how it worked and the mobs just face rape the alliance cuz none of them got fanatic drinks and dont know how to proc. You call it hard?
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » Speaking of Mythics I got Rigor Baghnakhs yesterday RIP Kenkonken 4/29/2013 - 4/29/2013 I thought KKK still has "suppresses overload"! Yup Ukonvasra is storage for them time being, Bloodbath Axe has become my new toy. Upheaval has surpassed Ukko's outside in damage also in abby, 1k crits lol, i tested it out in abby literally melee'ed a SandSweeper to death without having to ws.
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Yeah I was doing 3k ws in plasm farm Delve with Rigor Baghnakhs while Mushroom was main healing the reject party (no buffs) '~'
Leviathan.Blackwhirlwind said: » Yup Ukonvasra is storage for them time being, Bloodbath Axe has become my new toy. Upheaval has surpassed Ukko's outside in damage also in abby, 1k crits lol, i tested it out in abby literally melee'ed a SandSweeper to death without having to ws. LOL
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I just hate the assumption some of you people throw out there that R/M/E weapons are botted in one way or another. I worked hard for what I have, and hate the fact that they are basically laughed at by this dev team.
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You can't cant gil. even having 999,999,999 in your bazar is not max gil. Even 9,999,999,999 is not max gil. to the person thinks crour bots can max gil.
Fenrir.Sylow said: » SE has taken an interest in Beaucedine so ~ Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » You can't cant gil. even having 999,999,999 in your bazar is not max gil. Even 9,999,999,999 is not max gil. to the person thinks crour bots can max gil.
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Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » You can't cant gil. even having 999,999,999 in your bazar is not max gil. Even 9,999,999,999 is not max gil. to the person thinks crour bots can max gil. How wrong you are http://www.ffxiah.com/screenshots/67669
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The whole "some people get Relics by botting, therefore obtaining a Relic isn't a worthwhile achievement" argument has always been logically painful. I personally made most of my RMEs while in Germany. I don't speak much German and the lab was fairly inhospitable for the first few months, so I had plenty of time to brainlessly farm and not much else to do at night.
Here is how I got my RMEs (and other major expenditures): Terpsichore (~300mil) - Started with 80mil acquired from years of playing. After that, farmed Dynamis, sold currency for gil, bought Alexandrite for 8-10k (just after the Dynamis changes and before Salvage v2). Twashtar (~240mil) - Farmed Dynamis, sold currency for gil, bought HMPs and Riftdross right when the trials were released, which was just after I finished farming 30,000 Alexandrite for Terpsichore. I think I started out paying 180k per plate and it ended around 130k. I got a lot of 'dross for around 250-300k. Alchemy 110 (~300mil) - Farmed Dynamis/Salvage v1, sold currency for gil, bought Ethereal Squamas. This is immediately after the cap increase, which was in early 2012. I made about 100mil back by selling the Tier 0 HQs that I made on the way to 110. It has taken me a really long time to break even on this expenditure, but I think I'm finally there. Ukonvasara (~180mil) - Bought with gil that I couldn't spend on Squamas that weren't entering the market. Obtained the gil by farming Dynamis/Salvage v1. Plates were around 100k each when I finished, and Riftdross was ~400k each. Ragnarok (~100mil) - Server transferred some NQ Alchemy Hexed to many different servers, sold them, and hopped them back. Ended up with about 100mil, which I spent on Ragnarok. Temporarily bought the marrows, but then farmed 5 with the LS and resold them for about the same price. I was leading a Legion shell at the time and wanted to try MS Resolution against wave 2 stuff in Mul. Turns out I'm still a Taru even when I put Ragnarok on, so it still wasn't really viable for me to DD in a one-shotty shituation. Khepri Kecks (~175mil) - Started building gil for these after Salvage v2 came out by hoarding my Alexandrite gil. Finally managed to buy a pair about two weeks ago. Current extra gil (~200mil) - Almost exclusively obtained by selling currency and Hexed -1s. Considering putting it into G-horn/Daurd 99s, because they look like they'll retain their value and I want some way to get off the gear treadmill. I don't have time to run on it anymore. I dualboxed Dynamis and Salvage and use Send to control my mule without Alt-Tabbing rather than a bot of any kind, so there are my accomplishments and exactly how I did them. In addition to Salvage/Dynamis, I did 3-man BCNMs whenever my previous stuff sold and if I could find someone else that was interested. I also blinkered about 10 million gil worth of Cruor that I didn't need while that was still possible, but I maxed something like 8 Atmacites and "farmed Cruor" only 2~3 times (just so I could buy the next tier of Voidwatch KIs) so it was substantially less than it could have been. Of the ~1.5 billion gil that I acquired in the last year and a half, 1 billion of it is sunk into RMEs or gear that was invalidated by the last patch, and I'd argue that none of it really qualified as ill-gotten gains. So yeah, just because some people fishbot or blinker bot doesn't mean that it is impossible to do it without that, and it doesn't make it not worth doing. You get the same weapon whether you bot it or farm it, and it was a desirable weapon either way. Plus, if you're stuck in the eternal dreariness of the German winter, what else is there to do?
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » Quote: P.S. I know how delve works just fine. 10 min after the wall comes down to kill trex unless you want to go through the ordeal of farming beads. Have fun doing that. Oh god - you mean people will have to do the content to do the content! SE that's preposterous! Not sure what you are arguing. Complain the new weapons are too easy to get (when nobody has them yet) then poke fun at bead farming (which you seem to be in the dark about). Ill just assume you are butthurt and using these forum as a way to process your poor little hurt feelings. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet.
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Please excuse me for not reading 80 pages but can someone fill me in here, didn't matsui say they were going to buff r/m/e as soon as they could?
I understand it's SE and that could take a while, but why all the QQ and currency/alex prices dropping? Quote: I dualboxed Dynamis and Salvage and use Send to control my mule without Alt-Tabbing rather than a bot of any kind, so there are my accomplishments and exactly how I did them. Hexaboxing is where it's at
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: » Plus, if you're stuck in the eternal dreariness of the German winter, what else is there to do? Watch some of that cool German porn? Siren.Barber said: » Fenrir.Sylow said: » Quote: P.S. I know how delve works just fine. 10 min after the wall comes down to kill trex unless you want to go through the ordeal of farming beads. Have fun doing that. Oh god - you mean people will have to do the content to do the content! SE that's preposterous! Not sure what you are arguing. Complain the new weapons are too easy to get (when nobody has them yet) then poke fun at bead farming (which you seem to be in the dark about). Ill just assume you are butthurt and using these forum as a way to process your poor little hurt feelings. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. I saw about 10 greatswords at various augment ranks 2 days ago. Bahamut.Dionikes said: » Please excuse me for not reading 80 pages but can someone fill me in here, didn't matsui say they were going to buff r/m/e as soon as they could? I understand it's SE and that could take a while, but why all the QQ and currency/alex prices dropping? He said he planned to keep them relevant, THEN revealed his plan to be allowing you to unlock the WS when you get the lv 99 weapon. Lakshmi.Byrth said: » The whole "some people get Relics by botting, therefore obtaining a Relic isn't a worthwhile achievement" argument has always been logically painful. I personally made most of my RMEs while in Germany. I don't speak much German and the lab was fairly inhospitable for the first few months, so I had plenty of time to brainlessly farm and not much else to do at night. Here is how I got my RMEs (and other major expenditures): Terpsichore (~300mil) - Started with 80mil acquired from years of playing. After that, farmed Dynamis, sold currency for gil, bought Alexandrite for 8-10k (just after the Dynamis changes and before Salvage v2). Twashtar (~240mil) - Farmed Dynamis, sold currency for gil, bought HMPs and Riftdross right when the trials were released, which was just after I finished farming 30,000 Alexandrite for Terpsichore. I think I started out paying 180k per plate and it ended around 130k. I got a lot of 'dross for around 250-300k. Alchemy 110 (~300mil) - Farmed Dynamis/Salvage v1, sold currency for gil, bought Ethereal Squamas. This is immediately after the cap increase, which was in early 2012. I made about 100mil back by selling the Tier 0 HQs that I made on the way to 110. It has taken me a really long time to break even on this expenditure, but I think I'm finally there. Ukonvasara (~180mil) - Bought with gil that I couldn't spend on Squamas that weren't entering the market. Obtained the gil by farming Dynamis/Salvage v1. Plates were around 100k each when I finished, and Riftdross was ~400k each. Ragnarok (~100mil) - Server transferred some NQ Alchemy Hexed to many different servers, sold them, and hopped them back. Ended up with about 100mil, which I spent on Ragnarok. Temporarily bought the marrows, but then farmed 5 with the LS and resold them for about the same price. I was leading a Legion shell at the time and wanted to try MS Resolution against wave 2 stuff in Mul. Turns out I'm still a Taru even when I put Ragnarok on, so it still wasn't really viable for me to DD in a one-shotty shituation. Khepri Kecks (~175mil) - Started building gil for these after Salvage v2 came out by hoarding my Alexandrite gil. Finally managed to buy a pair about two weeks ago. Current extra gil (~200mil) - Almost exclusively obtained by selling currency and Hexed -1s. Considering putting it into G-horn/Daurd 99s, because they look like they'll retain their value and I want some way to get off the gear treadmill. I don't have time to run on it anymore. I dualboxed Dynamis and Salvage and use Send to control my mule without Alt-Tabbing rather than a bot of any kind, so there are my accomplishments and exactly how I did them. In addition to Salvage/Dynamis, I did 3-man BCNMs whenever my previous stuff sold and if I could find someone else that was interested. I also blinkered about 10 million gil worth of Cruor that I didn't need while that was still possible, but I maxed something like 8 Atmacites and "farmed Cruor" only 2~3 times (just so I could buy the next tier of Voidwatch KIs) so it was substantially less than it could have been. Of the ~1.5 billion gil that I acquired in the last year and a half, 1 billion of it is sunk into RMEs or gear that was invalidated by the last patch, and I'd argue that none of it really qualified as ill-gotten gains. So yeah, just because some people fishbot or blinker bot doesn't mean that it is impossible to do it without that, and it doesn't make it not worth doing. You get the same weapon whether you bot it or farm it, and it was a desirable weapon either way. Plus, if you're stuck in the eternal dreariness of the German winter, what else is there to do? Here's how I got my stuff: R M T
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Siren.Barber said: » Fenrir.Sylow said: » Quote: P.S. I know how delve works just fine. 10 min after the wall comes down to kill trex unless you want to go through the ordeal of farming beads. Have fun doing that. Oh god - you mean people will have to do the content to do the content! SE that's preposterous! Not sure what you are arguing. Complain the new weapons are too easy to get (when nobody has them yet) then poke fun at bead farming (which you seem to be in the dark about). Ill just assume you are butthurt and using these forum as a way to process your poor little hurt feelings. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. Pretty sure he's arguing "farm the beads if you don't want to kill t rex in 10 minutes." Not butthurt, and not that difficult to understand. Got it, so that means with the new weapons you can use the ws regardless of having the relic equipped? Making the weapon its self worthless? Maybe I'm a bit confused still but the weapons being made current means they will be buffed enough to well, make them current?
Don't see how this changes the usefulness of them unless SE tries to make them current and fails, but we haven't seen what tthey're going to do yet so why freak out? Bahamut.Dionikes said: » Got it, so that means with the new weapons you can use the ws regardless of having the relic equipped? Making the weapon its self worthless? Maybe I'm a bit confused still but the weapons being made current means they will be buffed enough to well, make them current? Don't see how this changes the usefulness of them unless SE tries to make them current and fails, but we haven't seen what tthey're going to do yet so why freak out? That is what Matsui wants to do, no one gets Relic for the WS, no one really cares about the weaponskill, everyone worked on the weapon, and in revealing this "plan" he only pissed people off more.
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Yeah... their only suggestion thus far has been one-part "nonsensical" and two parts "totally insufficient." The RME update, whatever it is going to be, should have been live when they released the content. They should have realized this and at least had some kind of plan thought out instead of frantically tossing out half-baked ideas after getting demolished on the official forums.
They created a game where essentially the only thing to do for about a year was farm RMEs. Then, they open the expansion by offering competitive weapons (Skirmish), which raised a few eyebrows but people were generally okay with. The second patch (Delve) now totally invalidates both the RMEs and the Skirmish weapons.
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Thanks, think I got it. And I totally agree, so if he makes the weapons current then they should still be worth while regardless of the ws bs no?
It's not only what he said, but how he said it. It came out as they have not even plans yet for what to do about this and just threw an idea out there(and he even went "oh right!" when someone pointed out mythics already have ws available). The biggest concern is the utter lack of forethought they put into this.
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Couple the invalidation with their general plan for RME, and we have this 84-page ***-storm, and a player exodus on FFXI.
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