Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

So, does anyone think they actually will end up boosting Relics, with all the outrage from all sides and even JPs quitting?

The Germans are an industrious people.

Honor demands it!

I really doubt it. For all the complaining the bottom line is that the new top of the line weapons (not the 30k plasm ones) are going to be more rare than relics or emps (even the 99 versions). And then to max them you have to spend 70 million gil on airlixers that won't be going down in price since it takes the equivalent of 300M gil just to upgrade one set of armor.

I understand that people are upset that an easily acquired weapon is surpassed by something easy to get (the 30k weapons). But the BEST weapons are still gonna be a PITA to acquire and in the end will reward skill over crour botting or fish botting.

I wouldn't expect anything more than the possible ws addition (with perhaps a reworking of some ws to make them 1% better than the merit ws). I guess we won't know until we know though.

I'm not exactly sure how cruor botting is all that profitable unless you mean cells, and most people get those with cruor to use. Fish botting could be somewhat profitable, I guess. Most of the gil in circulation seems to be spun around in a cycle revolving around currency, Alexandrite, and HMPs. Someone suggested SE may fear the Japanese gaming magazines getting ahold of this info and how it could reflect on the company going into FFXIV.

SE has taken an interest in Beaucedine so ~

In Beaucedine?

EDIT: Oh, right, the fish bots.

Going after fishbotters I presume!

Speaking of FFXIV, I talked to a friend who is beta testing, she pretty much said it's not very interesting so far.

The problem you run into is that to get those top weapons (not the 30k one), you need a whole alliance of well geared ppl. SE has gone far enough to stay away from that as that's what happened with relic in the old days, which a whole LS worked a full year in dynamis to fund one person's relic. It is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and tedious. And no, those weapons will be very common in a matter of time as more ppl will get them and will make the event easier. You are just creating gap between ppl with good LS and those who don't. There are plenty of good to great players who are not part of the elite LS, myself included, and this kind of event prevents me from getting something that I would work hard for but now require 17 other ppl to work equally hard.

Kinda deviating from the point, but after this, how they jacked up the damage, their reasons for not giving BLU, COR, PUP, DNC, and SCH relic, and RUN and GEO relic and emp are no longer valid, not that they were really valid before.

As far as the whole R/M/E mess, I'd like to hear Jaerik's opinion, as he seems to look at things from a logical standpoint.

Yeah, if they're trying to "encourage" people to get back into the old endgame mega-LS scene then they are barking up the wrong tree. It's rather delusional and arrogant of them. Maybe they should try designing the game for the player base instead of hoping the player base will re-design itself for the game.

So why arnt you playing WoW? Im pretty sure the majority of the game does not want easy content and likes the idea of having to use a LS again-which I state again because thats how this game started-. If you want easy weapons and easy gear go play something else. The only thing holding people to this game is "end game" not hey get everything in a week and get bored.

Agreed, I felt the same way I do now when they annouced they were raising the level cap, the relic I lusted for, I knew it'd soon be obsolete, but Tanaka ended up taking care of us on that.

I kinda think they are most likely to eventually boost Mythics, as they are uncommon, don't have an exclusive high damage, not as much as Relics, and they are fairly uncommon. The problem there lies in those mythics that aren't particularly useful, secondly Mythics are more about their job stats, and some have a nice WS, so they'd have to increase the base damage AND the stats to be relevant. Relics and Emps, they could just increase the base damage and call it a day on those, I honestly have no idea what the hold up is, but the "manpower" issue could only come from Mythics, as Relics are just a copy and paste with the damage modified. I think Matsui is overthinking this.

If I could thump you on the forehead I would be sorely tempted to... You really think something has to be 18+man and involve DKP and LS drama to be hard and time consuming? What ignorant nonsense.

Oddly, most fun I've had in awhile was helping an LS buddy do his Animated Greatsword trial, I evaded every Scourge it shot at me...

Mind you just because it requires more ppl it doesn't make it harder. Harder to get into an elite LS maybe, once you are in, it ain't hard. You seem to consider "routine" easy, as ppl generally think spamming dynamis for 2 hours a day is easy. But if you think about it, everything in this game is like that, you spam meeble until you get what you want, same content, you spam salvage until you get what you want, same content, you spam abyssea until you get what you want, same content, you spam whatever you do to make gil until you have enough, same content. What is making these new weapon that you think is harder to get is the fact that you need 18 ppl, aside from that there is not a single thing that is hard about it. It is the most stupd and misconception that ppl have and one that SE is thinking about bringing back.

Trillions of gil was created by npcing blinkers before the nerf. It would take 100 years of fishbotting glacier to equal the gil that blinkers pumped into the economy. People 2-18 boxed it and maxed gil on many characters. What did they do with it? Bought a metric ton of R/M/E. There was no skill required except that first week of doing glavoids when people were getting one shotted. And fish botting is not 'somewhat profitable', with an alt account you are looking at over a billion gil a year. That's 5-7 level 99 weapons right there for doing absolutely nothing.

Of course the new mats for uber weapons can be sold as well so the problem persists. But I don't think they will be sold at any price for a very long time.

Opinions vary, but having weapons being skill based to acquire (kill the trex in 10 minutes) then having gil to marginally upgrade them seems like a great system. Much better than 'start bot, collect relic weapon'

The Blinkers exploit WAS patched, and we can no longer resort to making gil that way, secondly, with the update currency, alexandrite, plates, coins, dross, sand, marrow, etc. will start dropping, plates and dross were dropping on Phoenix before the update, making VW unsuitable for gil making, atleast Ig-Alima.

So it seems like you don't get how Delve works

That might be true but what about those who did dynamis everyday for their weapons and didn't bot for anything?

What he said.

If SE is NFL Football, then I can say yes, if you don't like something, get out, they don't need you as a customer. Unfortunately SE is not, it is a dying Company that needs it customer, so in that case, let it be heard cuz apparently they are clueless.

What he said.

The same argument was made when dynamis was made lowman. "What about those who did it the old/harder way?"

I have a couple of emps rotting. Sucks for me. I also have horn/harp so I hit the lotto on that one. I've also been trying to get that horn since 2005 and I can tell you this.....it has never been easier to get a relic than it is now. Never. Not by a long shot. I still have spreadsheets of how much shihei/arrows/bolts I had to make everyday to be able to stay on a 2 year horn plan. It's just easier now.

But even if that were not true, what was hard about farming dyna at 99? Nothing. Say what you will about delve, the mega bosses are challenging. How do I know this? I haven't seen any record of them being killed on siren yet at all. To me that means people need to step up their gear/skill to get it done. When a perle bst can do something it doesn't take skill imo.

P.S. I know how delve works just fine. 10 min after the wall comes down to kill trex unless you want to go through the ordeal of farming beads. Have fun doing that. There is no comparison. RME take time and no skill. New mega weapons take skill then time to upgrade them. It's a better system. Does it suck that they implement it now after a decade of lulling us to sleep thinking ultimate weapons cant be topped? Yeah. But rip the bandaid off and stop letting gear be determined by who has the most alt accounts.

Oh god - you mean people will have to do the content to do the content! SE that's preposterous!

Im pretty sure I never said that it had to be 18 or Ls drama to get somethin did I? Maybe SE should just give you crazy buffs in Delve like abysssea so we can have some incrediably hard content that can be solo'd and everyone will be happy with smiles on their faces and we can all just have everything because thats so fun.

Stupid misconception? or the fact you cant solo it like abyssea is the problem? im confused. Its not hard but you cant do it without a well equiped alliance? yet you cant solo it or even do it with a small party? yet its routine, but you still cant do it alone? so its --not-- more challenging? Yea it is easy to to get the new weapons, and they are stupidly overpowered. But the content could be harder, and them requiring alliances is the only way to keep things from being "yay everyone gets everything now we are bored"

So what about you and your LS did just that and upgraded your hard to get Delve weapon and spent 100M in upgrading them, and 2 months later SE is giving you something completely new that are twice as good that are easy to get, and note that there is another version that is even more annoying (not using the word hard cuz it isn't hard, it is just annoying to get 18 ppl of the same calibur) to get than the current Delve one. I ask you when do you call it enough is enough? I have absolutely no problem that the delve boss weapon being better than R/E/M, that's fine if that's the way they want it to be, valuing elite LS, but don't freaking make the 30k points weapons better, it takes about 1 day of work to get it. That's the true meaning of not knowing what they are doing.

People should read threads before posting in them.