Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

We need more soda.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought emps didn't surpass RM till after the second installment of abyssea came out, i thought level 80 version of emps were not as good as 75 relics. i thought the only time they were really beaten was between the 85-90 time and once 95 hit relics caught right back up. Not sure on the time span but was relic even beaten by like 30% like R/E/M's are now?

Jones Soda anyone?

Like this?

85~, relic 95 didn't all catch up I believe.

I don't know about the %, it's true that the change now is probably much more potent (especially since merit WSs allow to use any weapon in some case).

The problem with comparing this gear jump to when abyssea came out is that it is completely different. When abyssea came out, of course the gear was better than before. Gear before was level 75, aby gear was 80. Now we are comparing level 99 gear to level 99 gear. Even if this new gear is going to be better than level 99 r/e/m, it should not be the gap that it is now. Comparing this to pre-aby/aby is just silly.

SE will be updating them, the JP's are having a massive rage fest about it. The dev's ignore everyone except the JP community.

So many Pages... I think this stands as testament to the upset this patch has caused. I understand there are multiple views on this topic and that these views come from people who play in their own ways and have started their FFXI careers at different time periods. Allow me to share my story & views on this topic. I started this game during NA launch and was fortunate enough to have a fantastic LS that was committed and generous enough to save up enough currency to create my Aegis in 2008.

Did I not get good use out of my Aegis? Well sure, my first and favorite Lv.75 job was able to do more than it could before. Did I enjoy farming it? Sure, even before I got help with my relic I was a committed member of my dyna LS and we had a great community. The system of old Dynamis did upset me however. The people who helped me with my relic were not simply there because they wanted to lot Afs, DL items etc. Many were genuinely dedicated. After spending so much time with me in dyna, surely they too deserved high caliber rewards.

When neo dyna, as well as empyreans were released I was happy that committed players could actually get something through enough dedication. Despite all the fishbots, cruor etc etc, an honest and decent player who put in enough time would eventually reap the rewards and it was not a hopeless endeavor. When starting the long road to Aegis it was my understanding that it would remain the ultimate shield. (And before anyone mentions Ochain, it's a fantastic addition that does not negate the role of Aegis). SE stated that relics were the ultimate weapons and were not for everyone. After running around with my lvl75 relic for so long I do actually consider a fully upgraded 99 Aegis as a 'new' item. Many of us would not have bothered 99ing our weapons if we knew that they'd be rendered obsolete.

I think that making R/E/M obsolete is a complete slap in the face. Not only to those of us who undertook such difficult quests so many years ago, but also to all the people who may have only just recently got their ultimate weapons. FFXI is old and the playerbase has aged. Many of us don't have the time that we had before and as such I thought that the ultimate weapon system we had in place was great. The effort it took to 99 a relic/Empyrean was somewhat similar and those who really wanted to were free to put in even more effort to get their Mythics. Was there a period when Empyreans totally outclassed relics? Yes, but I remember being under the impression that this would soon change, after all, a new ultimate weapons system had been implemented and they seemed to have a plan. But now we have AH items surpassing R/E/M? Developers who can't say if they have the manpower to implement changes and talk of simply giving us a lolrelic WS? As others have said this does not look good. I fully expected king abjurations etc to gradually lose their place but not R/E/M. In conclusion some of us don't want the WoW model and though I can't speak for everyone, I am sure many were under the impression that when they started these weapons they would remain relevant. As things are I will wait for a proper response from SE and then decide if it is time to jump ship.

SLAP IN THE FACE

A gear jump is a gear jump. In both case they needed to sell a new path and are going all out to sell them.

If you cannot grasp this concept, I'm not going to call this silly, just hopeless. 78 pages anyway, if you were meant to understand it, you would have by now.

Equipment has always cycled, weapons haven't. I don't care if a pair of pants I spent a week chasing aren't best-in-slot anymore, but I'd be pissed if a weapon that took me months/years to finish sudden became "Congrats on unlocking your new WS".

I really wanna hear something about this int he next few days once monday rules around, I really wanna know if I should just give up my mythic or if I should continue it or not :/

No. They stopped making "Bubblegum" flavor. :[

We'll probably have to fight Matsui's ulcer to upgrade our REM's. It must be the size of Kansas by now.

I'd say he must be in a bad state.

bottle of frontier soda

I just realized that the new Rare/EX weapons can be augmented. >.>

Based on what SE has said, the whole "but that was level 75 to level 80" thing isn't really a valid argument though. They said long before this update (before SoA was even released, I believe) that because there weren't going to be any more level increases, the raising of the bar was going to come in the form of gear/stat upgrades. Granted, even considering that, the update to weapons still seems unnecessarily large. But gear upgrades on the scale of level 80 Abyssea gear coming from level 75 gear should have been expected. If you didn't expect it at all, you probably weren't paying attention to the things SE was saying. The Adoulin gear jump concept didn't come out of nowhere with no warning, only the ridiculous degree of the weapon jump did.

Let's just spell out why people are mad. I'm sure less people would be up in arms if, as a whole, the relic WS were more "Catastrophe" or "Mercy Stroke" and less "Geirskogul".

You'd still lose the unique model, which sucks, but the fact that relic WS are, by and large, terrible is insult to injury.

Agreed, for the most part, 95% of the relic WSes suck, the only reason for using them is the AM for some of the weapons (Apoc and Anni come to mind, although the healing on Cata is also nice too).

Coronach's aftermath is actually the least useful part of Annihilator. Enm-20 doesn't do much when your enmity is almost nonexistent from Coronach's fixed values. Doesn't usually factor in unless you can get a Last Stand in before it wears.

Congrats on unlocking King's Justice on all weapons...oh wait. How would mythics fall into the idea of turn weapon in for KI :p

This whole idea of turning relics and stuff into KIs for different things is annoying and a horrible idea, wish people would stop throwing the idea around.

Agreed. Don't give SE any more bad ideas. They seem to have a surplus lately.

S'ok, Matsui celebrated the Golden Week with the other devs, they'll be back between Monday and Wednesday with an apology and such.

After all, SE's best ideas are mainly found around liters of sake.

I look forward to farming 500k plasm to upgrade one weapon

Three times

Look at you, Mr. Optimism!

/knows it's going to be 15 Umbral Stingers from Colkhab

If the new Delve weapons had Aftermath would people still be butt hurt?????

Can someone update me please? I don't wanna read 20 pages to find out nothing has changed.


Are my mythics still absolute trash and no plans to untrash them?

ItemSet 299725
Can get these augments at lvl 15
Attack+15
Acc+10
STR+10