Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Hasn't lost YOUR interest yet.....

I go because my linkshell wants to go, mostly. I don't enjoy having to play every character I can log on and do unreasonable amounts of buff rotating to get content down.

If the mobs had new TP moves, new battle concepts, etc, I would be much more positive about Delve. The hardest part of these is assembling enough people with the appropriate gear and rotating buffers, the fight strategy is nonexistant.

Relics cost about that, or did before recent crashing.

Some more, some less, depending on how many T. Whiteshells were involved.

They cost the same years ago, but 100m was a lot more years ago.

Anyway, and then people had to buy/obtain 5 marrows, and then 250 after that.

In short, SE doesn't care what you did in the past.

SE's never going to make a *** just the right size/texture/temperature/color/flavor for you dude.

Get over it?

my apologies for voicing an opinion on the new content in a discussion about the new content

I fail to see how retaining your player-base with not making the effort they've already invested be completely meaningless a "pandering".
I suggest looking up a word and understanding its meaning before spouting it out meaninglessly.

K.

By "with" you mean "by."

It's a matter of opinion. We disagree. They didn't HAVE to upgrade anything.

I'm not saying you should grateful. I'm saying it was nice but the fact you expect it shows that there's more energy in this than 11.99/month is worth.

Pandered? If i recall correctly we pay them a monthly fee, not the other way around.

I see your points. But basically telling the older player base to F-off is not a great plan to keep them coming back for more.

"With" and "by" are interchangeable in that context.

And you're right. It is a matter of opinion. Mine's simply supported by logic and smart business decisions, whereas yours is pulled out of your *** for the sake of sounding contrary.

I don't like this new content BECAUSE

-The models, TP moves, attack speed, and battle flow are largely identical to any other monster.

-The defense/evasion are scaled to the point that you need to rotate BRDs and CORs to have viable damage. Rotating BRD isn't a new concept, but it's never before been required to kill something. The alliance structure of the game makes it annoying to do, especially if half the BRDs are mules being dualboxed(which is usually the case, since most players with the gil to make daur99 and gjall99 would rather do it on a mule than their relic dd char).

-The rage timer is prohibitive to any strategy but overbuffing and melee zerging. Some of the higher tier NMs are nearly impossible to kill before rage, even then.

-Even when raged, the monsters have very little offensive capability. I died pulling Mastop to the zoneline on the first day, and was able to tank it for 5 minutes while weakened. My PLD is rarely used and has minimal gearswaps and no amazing gear.

-When raged, damage is drastically slowed. However, there are damage sources that work well anyway. If you're fighting a raged Delve NM, you damn well better be on SAM/THF, SMN, or COR. It blocks out many jobs.

-The adjustments to enmity allow for very easy hate maintenance. You don't have to worry about pulling hate at all if you utilize dirge and animus minuo. Your paladin can be *** naked with an ochain, sub war, and voke/flash at timer and they'll still be a suitable tank.

In short, I don't see any intelligent design that has gone into these. They simply took older mobs, ramped up the stats until they gave them difficulty, and called it new content. They probably realized that nobody would have trouble killing them, which is why they added the rage timers.

Careful. You know you're about to lose an internet argument when people start attacking grammar.

I don't see it as an "F-off."

I know you do and I know many share your feelings.

No. "With" would be acceptable if you were speaking but is not acceptable in writing. Especially given: When you use a negative form of a verb phrase, you use "by" in written English.


As for the rest of your comment, you are beyond approaching this in a level-headed, objective manner. Have a good night.

oh look, lye dismissing others with not being objective when he obviously has a slant of his own he is not willing to budge on

what a *** surprise

Wait, I'm willing to roll with what SE's got in mind because I don't know the 2013 gameplan.

But I'M "unwilling to budge?"

I get that my opinion is unpopular but set aside your feelings for a moment.

"Without" would like a word with you.


"Nuh-uh!" is not a successful rebuttal. Please try again.

People are willing to wait and see what happens, just far less excited than you to spend their money for free information.

"Without" would have worked. But don't pretend your 7th grade English teacher wouldn't have circled "with not making" with a big red marker.

As to the rest, we're done. We disagree. You arrived at your conclusion a priori. There's nothing to discuss.

I saw that edit.

Which? I'm no poet. I often edit for clarity. I've edited this post three times already!

Also, my opinions are not a priori. The stat values on the newest weapons have been tested against current RME99s and are ahead in practically every scenario.

And the problem with that is?

Never said it was a problem. I was refuting Lye's earlier comment about them not being the best, when they've been clearly tested to be such.

I'm all for more powerful gear being added.
I'm NOT for handling it in a manner than has a large portion of the playerbase uneasy and feeling like they're being purposely left in the dark.

lye said the weapons from these arent the best, he didnt say relics were better

(the crafted ones and hq naakual ones are the best)

That's not the conclusion I'm referring to.

I said the "newest weapons", meaning the weapons added in the 4-29 update. Anything from before that wouldn't be "newest"

I owe you an apology. I'm sorry for being dismissive and "***-holey." We've disagreed in the past but that's no reason for my "***" remark. I'm sorry.

it's straight, everyone has different opinions, especially when so much is changing at once

obviously i'm not happy with it, but i know a lot of people who are enjoying it.. i'd probably like it more if i had more active people to do it with

That's the problem I'm having too. Everything has been so pickup oriented for awhile. It's been awhile since I've had a linkshell that actually does things.