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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 11:08:44
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Should give the task to the guy working on Caitsith and Atomos. He can do those later.

I agree. I think he's the one working on making RDM useful again, and adding BLU spells, too.

He's not doing anything important, have him do it.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-03 11:10:14
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The Dev team working on Caitsith and Atomos, respectively:
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By Valefor.Omnys 2013-05-03 11:16:22
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Should give the task to the guy working on Caitsith and Atomos. He can do those later.

I agree. I think he's the one working on making RDM useful again, and adding BLU spells, too.

He's not doing anything important, have him do it.

He's also the one working on the ideas of items we want improved.

Poor chap.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 11:21:38
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I think I'm most pissed about the fact that they are wasting time working on the R/M/Es they rejected and could've already had in place, when they could be working on other things, like Mog Gardens, Monstrosity, Improvements to and AF/2/Emp armor and quests, and merits for RUN and GEO, Merited 2hrs, etc. Instead of doing that BEFORE Delve and letting Skirmish have it's time, they rush things, screw up tons of ***, and piss everyone off. Needless to say, my jimmies have been rustled.

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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-03 11:26:36
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As far as we know, Resort is planned for the big June update, as well as run and geo stuff cause according to what they said they didn't translate in time...I would imagine Monstrosity and 30min abilities are for june too but Idk.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 11:32:51
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
As far as we know, Resort is planned for the big June update, as well as run and geo stuff cause according to what they said they didn't translate in time...I would imagine Monstrosity and 30min abilities are for june too but Idk.

Hope so. I can wait a month. Hell most could wait a month on R/M/Es, I think people just want to know their weapons aren't going to be obsolete.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-03 11:35:54
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we need a golden week here in the states, *** am I sick of work.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-03 11:36:47
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Looking at some of the scaling that would be necessary to make RMEs competitive, they're just *** ridiculous and would ruin the game in a different way. This was an incredibly poorly planned patch and they really need a few things to recover from it:

1) Reduce the base damage of new weapons to the point where they're a 5-10% upgrade at most.

2) Increase the stats on the mage weapons so that they represent an upgrade.

3) Buff RMEs so that they are competitive with the new HQ R/Ex drops and superior to everything else.




I mean, they messed up a lot of different types of balance in this update. For instance:

* Yo dawg, i herd melee were tanking everything because their DPS was insane and our Enmity system's cap was too low. We reduced their Enmity from damage by 70%... and then increased their damage by 40% LOL

* Hey, I heard magic damage was not even close to being competitive with melee damage. We're thinking about buffing magic damage a bit . . . but meanwhile we'll increase melee damage by 40% LOL

* Hey 1H weapon users, we heard that your DPS is substantially lower than your 2H competitors when fighting hard monsters, so we'll fix that . . . and then only give you one accessible good weapon so your DPS still sucks LOL

* Hey Rangers, I heard that your damage wasn't competitive with melee DDs and you waste a lot of ammunition. Lets fix that . . . and then make sure that you aren't needed at events! Good luck with those SA-Apex Arrows! LOL

* Hey Summoner, I noticed that your avatars have terrible DPS. We're considering fixes for this situation, but meanwhile how about we'll eliminate most of your niches and make you useful only as a source of boring damage. LOLLLL
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-03 11:59:28
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To add to that, am I the only one who thinks it's really dumb that a GAX at level 95 has like 128D while a Lv99 GAX has like 260D.

I mean I know nobody actually plays their job to level 99 nowadays but it's just one of those things that makes you go wat
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-03 11:59:59
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anyone else have a dream they made a real apoc went to japan and kept aftermath up at SE HQ?
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-03 12:01:18
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
anyone else have a dream they made a real apoc went to japan and kept aftermath up at SE HQ?

lol
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By Afania 2013-05-03 12:05:50
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Cerberus.Pukushu said: »
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The second anyone logs in they are technically wasting their life on an entertainment product. If the game makes you butthurt, log out and do something else...


Yes, it's an entertainment product for me to waste time, because that's the main reason why I pay for it right?

So when they slap customer's face like this, I'm not entertained for the time and money I spent on and I have right to rant.

Edit: It's just like, I want to pay for an RTS game, I heard Starcraft is awesome, so I spent 200 hour of my time to save money for it, after I installed it Blizzard secretly updated the game and made it into a RPG, which isn't what I paid for and wasted time for.
You can't just tell me to "get over it because it's just a vid game" like this.

This is kind of like how people had huge video cassette collections, or more recently dvd collections. Now that new technology came out theirs is being left behind. In many cases its not relevant and they spent years and thousands of real dollars building those collections.

The point is why get bent out of shape that technology changed? Sure you spent effort on stuff that is no longer top of the line. Stuff changes all the time, but once you get the new stuff you will experience a totally new dynamic. The game (and world) are changing. To be stuck in the past because we invested into it only makes us grouchy and holds us back from our potential.

/off soapbox

No, there are a couple of key differences:

1. Before I spend money on collections I already know 10 years later we won't use it anymore, and by that time the real copy of valuable collection may increase too. So nobody is unhappy with the result. Sometimes I also buy DVD because I need to use it at that time, not because it's entertaining to see the concept of DVD at that time.

In the case of R/E/M, before I spent money/gil on it I didn't know it'd change, because in past 10+ years SE clearly intent to let R/E/M stay on top, or at least not replaced by AH weapons. Armor gears had been slowly replaced before Abyssea, but not R/E/M. Even though relic was replaced in Abyssea, it's replaced by another legendary class weapon.

2. I found the concept of legendary replaced by AH weapon pretty boring, which is different from video cassette--->CD--->DVD. Video cassette to CD to DVD is exciting, because we'd see quality of videos increased over past 15 years.

Legendary weapon with it's own unique WS and aftermath replaced by plain AH weapon with no personality, this made the game boring, and I don't want to pay for a boring MMORPG and players certainly have right to rant.

3. None of the CD/DVD collections of mine take years to get. And if I do spend $10000 on a CD or DVD one day for some reason, it probably worth it that much for some reason that's not easily replaced by just simple change of technology. There are PS1 game collections cost hundreds on ebay, and whoever buys it probably don't intend to play it to begin with.


Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »

What if you love climbing? What if the sole fact of climbing stuff makes you happy?

I personally enjoyed the journey much more than the destination. I enjoyed the duo Dynamis for both of my relics with a friend, we had lots of laugh, I enjoyed my Salvage spam back in the days because I had the same fun.


I don't, and I believe majority of players doesn't. You're the minority. Also some ppl soloed instead of duo, which is worse experience. Try to solo dyna for 1 year no break, see how it feels. Ppl literally get nothing out of the boring climbing process and now even the result they expected doesn't exist anymore.
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By Cerberus.Texasprincess 2013-05-03 12:13:19
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Personally, I worry for this game's future as a whole by the trending these past two updates with releasing weapons comparable or beyond base damage of relics, and then completely blowing them out of the water, to the gear that can be somewhat comparable to -1 Hexed gear sets. In turn, if people stop doing Legion, where are the materials for other crafters going to come from to even get to 110 now? The new synths are 110+ which is disappointing, in the way that there still isn't a lot to bridge 105-110 synths.

Not to mention, I think R/M/E have become an integral part of the game and many players, even casuals, making gil by farming currency. If the weapons are rendered obsolete, who's going to bother with any old content at all? Trying to base an entire game off of one expansion is a very poor design for an MMO. I believed they were on the right path before with continuing to keep things relevant, but now I'm just waiting for how they are going to address this before I make my final decision with this game.
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This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you.

Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you.

I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes:

I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75).
Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99.
I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum).

Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment.

Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that.

I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what:
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-03 12:20:41
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I don't know what to make of that post.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-03 12:24:52
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wonder if matsui will split into clones at >70%?
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 12:27:24
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
wonder if matsui will split into clones at >70%?

To get the boosted relics, you have to beat Akihiko Matsui in a BC battle.
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By Solrain 2013-05-03 12:29:18
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
wonder if matsui will split into clones at >70%?

To get the boosted relics, you have to beat Akihiko Matsui in a BC battle.

All you have to do is Provoke him and he'll fall to his knees and apologize profusely.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-05-03 12:53:27
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Coin weapons shouldn't even be a part of the upgrades, waste of dev time, I'm not even sure why they are being lumped in with the good weapons.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-03 12:55:06
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Next people will complain about Hoarfrost blade.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 12:55:24
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Looking on OFs, Keyln is being called out hard core.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-03 12:56:37
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Who?
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-05-03 12:56:53
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The weapons can drop directly off the NM so there's literally 15-20m worth of effort. They made pulse weapons have insanely low drops rates, and even those didn't come close to outclassing REM. So then they implement weapons with higher drop rates that completely obliterate REM. Makes sense.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-03 12:57:56
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Who?

Someone who is either trolling or knows nothing about working on a relic.
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By Ragnarok.Zohnax 2013-05-03 13:01:47
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Coin weapons shouldn't even be a part of the upgrades, waste of dev time, I'm not even sure why they are being lumped in with the good weapons.
This, so much.
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By Siren.Taruina 2013-05-03 13:02:17
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Ragnarok.Zohnax said: »
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »
Coin weapons shouldn't even be a part of the upgrades, waste of dev time, I'm not even sure why they are being lumped in with the good weapons.
This, so much.
JP love their coin weapons.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-03 13:04:36
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Honestly even without considering all this RME raging I'm still very confused as to what the intent here was.

What was the point of all those pulse weapons they added, some only a few months ago, if they were going to crush them only a few months later (and according to their claims, formerly right at the release of Adoulin because Delve wasn't ready yet).

The intent behind weapons like Gusterion and Himthige arn't 100% damage but they decided to make those behind so badly in damage that they other effects they do don't even matter at all. Is even Murasamemaru relevant in face of a weapon that has over double its D rating?
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