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By Blazed1979 2013-05-02 16:12:33
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
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Yes, it's an entertainment product for me to waste time, because that's the main reason why I pay for it right?

So when they slap customer's face like this, I'm not entertained for the time and money I spent on and I have right to rant.


Ofcourse you do...

People saying they wasted 6 years is where people are being HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. You paid/played during those 6 years, if it wasn't fun you wouldn't have paid/played that long. Crying that you wasted 6 years of your life because they changed how the game works is just silly. When they shut the servers down will you have wasted 10 years?

I see your point and it is valid if FFXI was to end today and if those of us who invested the time to attain these weapons, were told or lead to believe that it would end after achieving said goals. However it hasn't, they didn't and it won't.

People didn't spend their time upgrading Mythics to quit at the end of it. They were looking forward to something; engaging content with the weapon they earned and not sucking.



Don't get me wrong, I want them too update REM as well. I made the 18th Apoc accross all servers, and back then it was a huge deal. 18 man LS dedicated a year-ish to my weapon and who knows how many runs to get attestation and fragment. I am very very fond of Apoc for the memories I had/have with it. (and not so fond of the 12,000 kill shot trials I did with it that took 6 months)[/spoiler]

Chances are they will fix REM and atleast make the competitive even though its pretty obvious that was not their plan.
I agree and hope so. Where we differ in opinion is the scale of the consequences SE should suffer for their ***.
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By Triffle 2013-05-02 16:13:56
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Currently the Rare/Ex weapons from Delve out do most of the R/E/Ms. They are also extremely easy to get. An alliance I did yesterday took about 4 hours to kill the #5 Crab NM in Foret de Henetiel. We unlocked several weapons which are all superior and require only 30,000 Delve points to get them. This means it takes about 11 runs of farming a Delve fracture for 45 minutes per run.

Even the easiest Empyrian to get to 85 requires several days of work what with farming the 100 items and doing the trials. Getting it to 99 is a different story. In Delve we have items that can out damage 99 R/E/Ms and take around 2 days at most to get.

Here is my question: WTF WAS SE THINKING?!?

They really should have waited on these weapons until they updated the R/E/Ms or made these weapons waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder to get.
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2013-05-02 16:13:57
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doesn't need to be best, just competitive, that's all I ask for, and I am willing to work hard for that. It is sad but true that I would rather do 3 times what it takes to get the 30,000 point KI weapons and upgrade my relic to maybe 90-95% as good as the 30,000 point weapons than just flat out replace my relic with it. It was never about that marginal gain, but when you make it completely destroy relic without giving us a chance, that's personal.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-02 16:15:23
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I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is.

As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-02 16:17:12
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I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is.

As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.

Booze
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-02 16:17:33
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I have not bought my mules Adoulin and will likely deactivate them instead of doing so. It has been a long time coming, and I have enough gil/items. Plus, given the difficulty of Delve content, it is hard to argue for keeping them around.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-02 16:18:36
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
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I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is. As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.
Booze

while I agree, I played that one pretty throughly from 16-24 or so. it gets old.

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to be honest, I mostly had to slow down because I turn into a lusty man *** when intoxicated. It's pretty great, but not so conducive to married life. :(
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By Triffle 2013-05-02 16:20:00
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I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is.

As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.

Guild Wars 2. Only reason I hadn't quit this game is because I've played so long and have gotten attached to the familiar surroundings and people.

One reason I say Guild Wars 2 is simply because Arena Net actually listens and cares about their players. The game is free after you initially buy it as there are no monthly fees. Free updates constantly with no reused content. They have some quality programmers in that company.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-02 16:20:18
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Siren.Mosin said: »
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I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is. As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.
Booze

while I agree, I played that one pretty throughly from 16-24 or so. it gets old.

At that point you're supposed to upgrade to wine

You can even post on /r/wine to talk to other people with superior intoxication techniques
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By Cerberus.Taint 2013-05-02 16:20:54
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
I have not bought my mules Adoulin and will likely deactivate them instead of doing so. It has been a long time coming, and I have enough gil/items. Plus, given the difficulty of Delve content, it is hard to argue for keeping them around.


Same for me. I have zero interest in bringing my mules to Adoulin, even if that means dusting off my own WHM gear.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-02 16:22:17
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I have not bought my mules Adoulin and will likely deactivate them instead of doing so. It has been a long time coming, and I have enough gil/items. Plus, given the difficulty of Delve content, it is hard to argue for keeping them around.


Same for me. I have zero interest in bringing my mules to Adoulin, even if that means dusting off my own WHM gear.

I'm probably going to take advantage of the crash in currency + plates to whip up a ghorn + derpderpala so I can do events while watching Netflix
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-02 16:26:06
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I usually load up on PS3/Xbox games when XI looses its luster. Fable V is supposed to be good.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-02 16:26:53
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
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I have not bought my mules Adoulin and will likely deactivate them instead of doing so. It has been a long time coming, and I have enough gil/items. Plus, given the difficulty of Delve content, it is hard to argue for keeping them around.


Same for me. I have zero interest in bringing my mules to Adoulin, even if that means dusting off my own WHM gear.

I'm probably going to take advantage of the crash in currency + plates to whip up a ghorn + derpderpala so I can do events while watching Netflix

I have also been considering this. 25/75 souls!
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By Asura.Fondue 2013-05-02 16:27:46
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dont do it ;_; http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Asura/Fondle#equip I would have liked to play other mages on him but nobody will let me!
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2013-05-02 16:28:13
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I actually brought mine over but it only cost 9.99 so I said why not. I hate playing them there though lol but they still come in handy for some things.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-05-02 16:30:31
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They were nice for doing reives during that one-month span when reives were relevant content.
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By Shiva.Alistaire 2013-05-02 16:31:49
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Siren.Mosin said: »
I'm starting to just think it's funny how wildly out of touch the development team is.

As much as I would like to piss & moan some more, where's the better game? I haven't been able to find it, or I would've quit sending my sweet titty american dollars over to japan long ago.

SE is the soup nazi. You can't stand to deal with them but you just can't get a better product elsewhere.
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-05-02 16:31:51
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ScaevolaBahamut said: »
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So now accepting the change of direction of the game indicates low self-worth. That's rich.
It is indeed. Not rational. But that is an accurate representation of the people who have been vocal for years about the need to posses completed R/E/Ms and are now saying 'lol it wasn't worth it'. It is pretty much saying their time "wasn't worth it" or their time was so cheap who the hell cares. How else would you interpret it?
No, we understand its a game. I have lots of hours tied up in this game. I have lots of completed weapons etc. If I got banned tomorrow I'd be sad for a day and move on. My weapons got kicked in the balls along with everyone elses. I can either complain I wasted the last 10 years (over 6 since my first relic) or I can move on one way or another. The second anyone logs in they are technically wasting their life on an entertainment product. If the game makes you butthurt, log out and do something else...

so is it your opinion that what you think and feel about the time you've spent so far (and surely you must think and feel something about it) is not something you have the right to express

when people (threaten to) quit stuff like ffxi it's not that they suddenly hate the game or even that they regret the time they've spent (i certainly do not); it is because continental shifts like this help them realize, if only briefly, that they have spent all this time writing a story that not even ffxi itself is interested in hearing

it is not a bad thing to find this upsetting; NOT finding it upsetting means you have not ascribed value to your experiences, and to spend as much time with this as you and i have only to deny its value ought to be cause for reflection

you cannot wipe all this away by saying "oh well it's just a video game lolz"

For what it's worth, I do ascribe value to my experiences. I spent a lot of time over the course of five months making my Ryunohige. (I came back to the game after a 6-month break or so, and only had 12 mil, so I had to earn it as I went.) And I'm a parent to a baby under a year old, so every bit of free time that I get is valuable.

But while I can see and understand where the distress from other R/M/E-holders is coming from, I don't exactly feel it myself. A few months down the line, if it becomes apparent that they aren't going to do anything to make my commitment valuable, it may bother me more then. To me, personally, there's just no value in getting worked up now when I haven't given myself a chance to see (a.) how I really feel about the change when I've spent some time experiencing it, and (b.) what, if anything, is actually going to happen with the R/M/E thing.

Don't get me wrong. I have a mythic, so I'm invested in how it all turns out. I'm just more of a wait-and-see sort of person. I do the best I can with what I've got, and give myself time to see how my perspective shifts as I (potentially) gain more experience/knowledge with whatever my problem is. And I've done this (and am currently doing this) with far more consequential things than the future state of my mythic weapon in FFXI.

From my perspective, I do find it a bit strange that people are reacting the way they are so strongly and so quickly, but I understand that not everyone handles things the way I do. That being said, I hardly think that my attitude about it means I've ascribed any less value to my achievements than anyone else.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-05-02 16:32:15
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Triffle said: »
Currently the Rare/Ex weapons from Delve out do most of the R/E/Ms. They are also extremely easy to get. An alliance I did yesterday took about 4 hours to kill the #5 Crab NM in Foret de Henetiel. We unlocked several weapons which are all superior and require only 30,000 Delve points to get them. This means it takes about 11 runs of farming a Delve fracture for 45 minutes per run.

Even the easiest Empyrian to get to 85 requires several days of work what with farming the 100 items and doing the trials. Getting it to 99 is a different story. In Delve we have items that can out damage 99 R/E/Ms and take around 2 days at most to get.

Here is my question: WTF WAS SE THINKING?!?

They really should have waited on these weapons until they updated the R/E/Ms or made these weapons waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay harder to get.

As I stated, but I could be wrong, I think delve's weapons are base.
The only thing that made me sad is that SE said we'll have to toss our REM because of those after having used them a last time just to transfer the ws on new weapons.
If we have to make our REM to 99 and use them with base delve to make an ultimate weapon (by synergizing) that is completely different then I'm ok. If not that just plain sucks.
And of course they have to give ultimate weapon a cool skin.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-02 16:32:16
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In the mean time, I've been playing FF 4HOL, since I'm not exactly sure what I'm building towards on XI, but hey, maxed out Spell Fencer. Not bringing me down like RUN's uselessness.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-02 16:35:33
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They were nice for doing reives during that one-month span when reives were relevant content.

Pretty much this. There is content where they would help, but I find dual boxing annoying and there is no content like Salvage where they are necessary. I only really missed them during the brief period where people cared enough to cleave skirmish ***. Now that Delve looks difficult to lowman and their outlined personal moogle island minigame looks soloish, I think I can cancel them. Makes me happy that I never got them ghorn, daurd, etc. because then I would almost certainly keep them active.
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By Leviathan.Torvin 2013-05-02 16:35:58
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Last years total sales for SE were approximately 1.2 billion US dollars with about 500 million in profit. Last verified number of players i could find was in 2006 with 300k. That was before the server merges so I suspect the number is probably less than half that now. Comes out to between 2-3 million a month but could be as low as 1 mil a month, so 12-36 million a year sales from the game. Cant say what the overhead cost for any game is but they are still running the regional teams as well as their development staff. Based on their balance sheet though, I doubt they will ever let the profit off the game drop below 40% though so the game might be generating between 5-15 millionish a year profit. So 1-3% of their total profit.

dunno where youre pulling your numbers from, but...
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/finance/ps.html

Pretty much the same place you did, except I took the 3 seconds required to convert yen to dollars.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-02 16:39:09
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Last years total sales for SE were approximately 1.2 billion US dollars with about 500 million in profit. Last verified number of players i could find was in 2006 with 300k. That was before the server merges so I suspect the number is probably less than half that now. Comes out to between 2-3 million a month but could be as low as 1 mil a month, so 12-36 million a year sales from the game. Cant say what the overhead cost for any game is but they are still running the regional teams as well as their development staff. Based on their balance sheet though, I doubt they will ever let the profit off the game drop below 40% though so the game might be generating between 5-15 millionish a year profit. So 1-3% of their total profit.

dunno where youre pulling your numbers from, but...
http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/finance/ps.html

Pretty much the same place you did, except I took the 3 seconds required to convert yen to dollars.

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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-05-02 16:53:17
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Siren.Taruina said: »
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I guess time that you spent with any friends that you had in your shell or doing events with are valueless to you people. It's kinda sad that people can't look back and see that.

holy ***it's almost like grief is a complicated emotion

we aren't saying you're wrong for encouraging people to accept it and move on

we're saying you're being *** *** about it

I had to deal with a close friend and a few LS members quitting because all of "their" work is null.

I find it very immature that they are deciding that no one else helped them do anything, to rage-quit because new content was released.

Grow up.

haha wow

you seriously do not understand how much of a *** you sound like


protip: they get to decide whether or not they want to keep playing a video game

you can try to understand or not, but which you choose pretty much determines whether or not you've earned the right to call somebody a "close friend"
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-02 16:56:59
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This will probably end up like New Coke

SE will do something to satiate the players but we'll end up with high fructose corn syrup instead of cane sugar anyway
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-02 17:00:03
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Or bring back vanilla coke
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By Avitori 2013-05-02 17:01:30
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This is unfortunate. Right when semester is winding down I come back to read this BS.
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By Fenrir.Boomslang 2013-05-02 17:04:48
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They never took vanilla coke away.. I can still get it in stores. Crystal Pepsi however I'd totally be down for them to bring back!
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-05-02 17:05:32
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Fenrir.Boomslang said: »
They never took vanilla coke away.. I can still get it in stores. Crystal Pepsi however I'd totally be down for them to bring back!

They did in england for ages, although they brought it back recently.
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By Fenrir.Boomslang 2013-05-02 17:08:40
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Can you still get 'Urge' over there? [discontinued American Surge]
I'll ship you some Vanilla Coke if you can get me some Urge!
Ahh.. tastes like the 90's.


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