Well I was a bit upset when I heard this but I am over it now...
I would however like to know if any of these new weapons work well if old weaponskills. I would assume that drakesbane would be boss.
I was asking because I have a few old nysle isle weaoon skills I would still like to unlock and maybe this would be a reason for some people to go back to old content since at this point merited ws seem to be what most will use on these new weapons.
Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"
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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I'm trying to consider your argument as someone who has a job, has put in 10 years at a company. Just because they've put in 10 years doesn't mean they no longer have to work to earn their pay, or raises. They should work just as hard as the guy who started 2 weeks ago who may or may not be making the same amount of money doing the same job more efficiently. People who put years into their weapon (like me) had the best weapon for the time. Most of the 99 R/E/M users that I know are already out getting these new weapons, because they are better. They aren't expecting anything handed to them, and are willing to work to once again have the top weapon. Most of the people that are complaining about this, are people with 85-90 Empy weapons, because they "worked hard!". Yes, I would like my Relic to be on-par/better than the new weapons, but I certainly don't expect it to be free. I honestly expect them to make *even better* weapons before the expansion is done, so would rather wait until we know what's in store until we start making demands. You are ignoring the fact that Delve weapons are vastly superior and far, far easier to obtain. If the manner in which you obtain Delve weapons remains as is, then yes, 99 R/M/E owners should just be given the upgrade to their weapon. They've already put more work in obtaining it then a Delve weapon owner has. Oh, and let's not forget AHable weapons that are superior to 99 R/M/E owners as well. That's the reason. When you can counter those 2 points, get back to me. I say all this as someone who does not owne a 99 R/M/E weapon, knowing full well my 85-90 weapons would be gimp as ***. Agreed
Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I'm trying to consider your argument as someone who has a job, has put in 10 years at a company. Just because they've put in 10 years doesn't mean they no longer have to work to earn their pay, or raises. They should work just as hard as the guy who started 2 weeks ago who may or may not be making the same amount of money doing the same job more efficiently. If you have been at a job for 10 years and are doing the same work for the same pay as the day you started, they're trying to tell you something.
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Connavarr said: » they've earned it already over the YEARS of effort. I think people's mindsets haven't adjusted from the days when it really was a lengthy task to complete a legendary. For example: In 2005-6, I built Excalibur in roughly eighteen months. I probably could have done it faster, but at the time it was still a significant accomplishment (one of the first Excaliburs on Hades! RIP, Hades). About six months ago, I built Ragnarok in less than a month, because I had taken a break from the game and was late getting on the bandwagon. If this patch had shown up in 2006, would I have been pissed? Absolutely. Now? It's annoying to me because of the way it's being handled, but something that's buildable in a couple of months doesn't carry the same weight, and if you're putting in the work, it doesn't take years. I mean, I'd understand mythic owners being mad, especially if they recently completed. But everyone else? You still have a weapon that's got you better suited to get the newer stuff - so use it, and get the newer stuff. If they patch RMEs, awesome. If they don't, then wouldn't you rather get ahead of the curve now, rather than waiting for a patch that may not happen?
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I'm fine with them outclassing everything.
I own a Liberator. I would say I own everything DRK can own, but I don't have a Redemption. But let's be honest. . . it doesn't really count.
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1. wait for the expansion to complete - the new Rare/EX versions will likely kill anything we are asking for now. (Think Emperians, when they out classed most relics)
2. Back to my example, the guy who started 2 weeks ago, has put in far less effort, but still getting the same maybe even more pay. Making everyone better is a good thing. As long as they give me a way to work harder to rise above these AH weapons, I'm good with it, but by no means demanding it "right now". With both of these points, I will say the development team is rather short-sighted if they didn't see this coming. Their responses should be far better than the ones they are giving. Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I'm trying to consider your argument as someone who has a job, has put in 10 years at a company. Just because they've put in 10 years doesn't mean they no longer have to work to earn their pay, or raises. They should work just as hard as the guy who started 2 weeks ago who may or may not be making the same amount of money doing the same job more efficiently. People who put years into their weapon (like me) had the best weapon for the time. Most of the 99 R/E/M users that I know are already out getting these new weapons, because they are better. They aren't expecting anything handed to them, and are willing to work to once again have the top weapon. Most of the people that are complaining about this, are people with 85-90 Empy weapons, because they "worked hard!". Yes, I would like my Relic to be on-par/better than the new weapons, but I certainly don't expect it to be free. I honestly expect them to make *even better* weapons before the expansion is done, so would rather wait until we know what's in store until we start making demands. Happens every single day in the real world. 20 year vet gets replaced by a young MBA grad. Less expensive, brings new ideas and typically more energy.
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ScaevolaBahamut said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » I'm trying to consider your argument as someone who has a job, has put in 10 years at a company. Just because they've put in 10 years doesn't mean they no longer have to work to earn their pay, or raises. They should work just as hard as the guy who started 2 weeks ago who may or may not be making the same amount of money doing the same job more efficiently. If you have been at a job for 10 years and are doing the same work for the same pay as the day you started, they're trying to tell you something. The starting pay 10 years ago, was far less than it is now. Even with 10% raises every year, there is likely a new guy who is starting making more than you do*. Bismarck.Kelhor said: » Connavarr said: » they've earned it already over the YEARS of effort. I think people's mindsets haven't adjusted from the days when it really was a lengthy task to complete a legendary. For example: In 2005-6, I built Excalibur in roughly eighteen months. I probably could have done it faster, but at the time it was still a significant accomplishment (one of the first Excaliburs on Hades! RIP, Hades). About six months ago, I built Ragnarok in less than a month, because I had taken a break from the game and was late getting on the bandwagon. If this patch had shown up in 2006, would I have been pissed? Absolutely. Now? It's annoying to me because of the way it's being handled, but something that's buildable in a couple of months doesn't carry the same weight, and if you're putting in the work, it doesn't take years. I mean, I'd understand mythic owners being mad, especially if they recently completed. But everyone else? You still have a weapon that's got you better suited to get the newer stuff - so use it, and get the newer stuff. If they patch RMEs, awesome. If they don't, then wouldn't you rather get ahead of the curve now, rather than waiting for a patch that may not happen? The amount of effort is the same, the speed at which you can hit the finish line is different. A person who just finished a 99 Ragnarok in 2 months put the same amount of effort in as someone who took years. Both players deserve to to have their weapon remain the best, or damn close to it. The years comment was for Mythic owners and people who built Relics the old fashioned way. The point remains, regardless of how fast the player crosses the finish line.
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Connavarr said: » players deserve to to have their weapon remain the best, or damn close to it. When you guys all quit, you should use the monthly fee you saved to pick up a copy of this book. http://www.amazon.com/Narcissism-Epidemic-Living-Age-Entitlement/dp/1416575995
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Is it me or do the new weapons look pretty ***compared REM's lol
Connavarr said: » The amount of effort is the same, the speed at which you can hit the finish line is different. A person who just finished a 99 Ragnarok in 2 months put the same amount of effort in as someone who took years. I'm sorry, but this is completely laughable. "Enter every day and solo mobs for two hours" Dynamis doesn't resemble old Dynamis in any relevant way. If by effort, you mean they completed the same tasks, then sure, but the effort required to complete those tasks is orders of magnitude less than it was, which is why I qualified my statement for mythic owners (though even their requirements have been lessened slightly, with 20-hour Einherjar entry, etc). I understand the point you're trying to make, but it's wrong.
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Bismarck.Kelhor said: » Connavarr said: » they've earned it already over the YEARS of effort. I think people's mindsets haven't adjusted from the days when it really was a lengthy task to complete a legendary. For example: In 2005-6, I built Excalibur in roughly eighteen months. I probably could have done it faster, but at the time it was still a significant accomplishment (one of the first Excaliburs on Hades! RIP, Hades). About six months ago, I built Ragnarok in less than a month, because I had taken a break from the game and was late getting on the bandwagon. If this patch had shown up in 2006, would I have been pissed? Absolutely. Now? It's annoying to me because of the way it's being handled, but something that's buildable in a couple of months doesn't carry the same weight, and if you're putting in the work, it doesn't take years. I mean, I'd understand mythic owners being mad, especially if they recently completed. But everyone else? You still have a weapon that's got you better suited to get the newer stuff - so use it, and get the newer stuff. If they patch RMEs, awesome. If they don't, then wouldn't you rather get ahead of the curve now, rather than waiting for a patch that may not happen? I just noticed you were/are Rooks lol. When you said "one of first excaliburs on Hades". I still remember those runs-can't believe its been 6-7 years. Didn't even know you still played, since I don't see you on Cerb anymore. EDIT: the effort one put to get a 75 Relic before level cap increases is far greater than it is today. can't compare the effort it used to take to get a relic to getting one today. And if anyone does think its the same, they clearly never tried dynamis back in 2005/06. alyc11 said: » Is it me or do the new weapons look pretty ***compared REM's lol
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Connavarr said: » A person who just finished a 99 Ragnarok in 2 months put the same amount of effort in as someone who took years. Both players deserve to to have their weapon remain the best, or damn close to it. (knows of people in Bis that do this) There has been approx ~24.2% inflation since 2003 though it's actual impact really depends on where you live. Real pay raises don't happen when your in the same position, you need to either move up to management or get hired on by another company.
Anyhow the reason this is a huge issue is that RME's were designed to be super weapons or at least weapons with high DPS and some utility. For SE to casually replace them with such easily obtained alternatives (serious 200+ DMG great axes) is insanity. In the past people have asked SE about lowering the 30,000 alex required for Mythics or the 1500 / 60 items for Emps and SE's response was that those weapons were meant to be the best and that's why their keeping the requirements high. I don't mind better gear being offered as nothing in the past was particularly hard to obtain and most upgrades are gradual marginal ones. These weapons would be like creating a heavy body that looks like this. Def:200 Attack +150 Accuracy +150 TA +25 Store TP +25 STR/DEX/VIT +50 Haste +10% And making it relatively easy to obtain.
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Asura.Solara said: » Connavarr said: » players deserve to to have their weapon remain the best, or damn close to it. When you guys all quit, you should use the monthly fee you saved to pick up a copy of this book. http://www.amazon.com/Narcissism-Epidemic-Living-Age-Entitlement/dp/1416575995 #1- I'm referring only to 99 R/M/E owners. The folks who have put the time and effort in *already* to have the best weapon in the game. #2- Delve weapons are much easier to obtain then 85-90 Empy's. #3- Ahable weapons are vastly superior and cheaper then 99 R/M/E's. #4- I don't own, and I may never own, a 99 R/M/E. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » There has been approx ~24.2% inflation since 2003 though it's actual impact really depends on where you live. Real pay raises don't happen when your in the same position, you need to either move up to management or get hired on by another company. Anyhow the reason this is a huge issue is that RME's were designed to be super weapons or at least weapons with high DPS and some utility. For SE to casually replace them with such easily obtained alternatives (serious 200+ DMG great axes) is insanity. In the past people have asked SE about lowering the 30,000 alex required for Mythics or the 1500 / 60 items for Emps and SE's response was that those weapons were meant to be the best and that's why their keeping the requirements high. I don't mind better gear being offered as nothing in the past was particularly hard to obtain and most upgrades are gradual marginal ones. These weapons would be like creating a heavy body that looks like this. Def:200 Attack +150 Accuracy +150 TA +25 Store TP +25 STR/DEX/VIT +50 Haste +10% And making it relatively easy to obtain. I'll take one, but put MND on it too and -10% DT instead of the store TP. Sign me the *** up. Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you. Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you. I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes: I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75). Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99. I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum). Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment. Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that. I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what: Everyone with their HURPEDY DURPEDY, CHANGE R GUD MAN. I THINK WE SHUD GET 10 MIN WORK WEAPON BECUZ WOW DOZ IT is *** ignorant. If I wanted that I would have played a different MMO. I vote with my dollar. That's my entitlement. If you change my *** Coke, and I don't like it; I go buy pepsi (or just drink water, etc). It's not their "whim" to make this game. It is their JOB to make content that pleases people and draws them business. A large portion of the playerbase saying "*** it, im out" is NOT good for continuing to work. If you think new people are going to run out and buy FFXI after 13 years because of 300 D weapons, you're beyond help. tl;dr keep the majority happy and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. You're not going to attract new players after a decede being like WOW because if they wanted that they'd go play WOW instead long ago.
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: » There has been approx ~24.2% inflation since 2003 though it's actual impact really depends on where you live. Real pay raises don't happen when your in the same position, you need to either move up to management or get hired on by another company. Anyhow the reason this is a huge issue is that RME's were designed to be super weapons or at least weapons with high DPS and some utility. For SE to casually replace them with such easily obtained alternatives (serious 200+ DMG great axes) is insanity. In the past people have asked SE about lowering the 30,000 alex required for Mythics or the 1500 / 60 items for Emps and SE's response was that those weapons were meant to be the best and that's why their keeping the requirements high. I don't mind better gear being offered as nothing in the past was particularly hard to obtain and most upgrades are gradual marginal ones. These weapons would be like creating a heavy body that looks like this. Def:200 Attack +150 Accuracy +150 TA +25 Store TP +25 STR/DEX/VIT +50 Haste +10% And making it relatively easy to obtain. I'm really hoping they do something like this.
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Blazed1979 said: » I just noticed you were/are Rooks lol. When you said "one of first excaliburs on Hades". I still remember those runs-can't believe its been 6-7 years. Didn't even know you still played, since I don't see you on Cerb anymore. /looks at linked characters, feels dumb, then feels so, so old Yeah, I took a break, and when I came back I shifted to Bismarck ;) Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you. Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you. I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes: I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75). Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99. I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum). Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment. Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that. I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what: Everyone with their HURPEDY DURPEDY, CHANGE R GUD MAN. I THINK WE SHUD GET 10 MIN WORK WEAPON BECUZ WOW DOZ IT is *** ignorant. If I wanted that I would have played a different MMO. I vote with my dollar. That's my entitlement. If you change my *** Coke, and I don't like it; I go buy pepsi (or just drink water, etc). It's not their "whim" to make this game. It is their JOB to make content that pleases people and draws them business. A large portion of the playerbase saying "*** it, im out" is NOT good for continuing to work. If you think new people are going to run out and buy FFXI after 13 years because of 300 D weapons, you're beyond help. tl;dr keep the majority happy and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. You're not going to attract new players after a decede being like WOW because if they wanted that they'd go play WOW instead long ago. Ash said it a hell of a lot better then I could.
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you. Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you. I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes: I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75). Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99. I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum). Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment. Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that. I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what: Everyone with their HURPEDY DURPEDY, CHANGE R GUD MAN. I THINK WE SHUD GET 10 MIN WORK WEAPON BECUZ WOW DOZ IT is *** ignorant. If I wanted that I would have played a different MMO. I vote with my dollar. That's my entitlement. If you change my *** Coke, and I don't like it; I go buy pepsi (or just drink water, etc). It's not their "whim" to make this game. It is their JOB to make content that pleases people and draws them business. A large portion of the playerbase saying "*** it, im out" is NOT good for continuing to work. If you think new people are going to run out and buy FFXI after 13 years because of 300 D weapons, you're beyond help. tl;dr keep the majority happy and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. You're not going to attract new players after a decede being like WOW because if they wanted that they'd go play WOW instead long ago. Well said!
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you. Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you. I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes: I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75). Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99. I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum). Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment. Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that. I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what: Everyone with their HURPEDY DURPEDY, CHANGE R GUD MAN. I THINK WE SHUD GET 10 MIN WORK WEAPON BECUZ WOW DOZ IT is *** ignorant. If I wanted that I would have played a different MMO. I vote with my dollar. That's my entitlement. If you change my *** Coke, and I don't like it; I go buy pepsi (or just drink water, etc). It's not their "whim" to make this game. It is their JOB to make content that pleases people and draws them business. A large portion of the playerbase saying "*** it, im out" is NOT good for continuing to work. If you think new people are going to run out and buy FFXI after 13 years because of 300 D weapons, you're beyond help. tl;dr keep the majority happy and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. You're not going to attract new players after a decede being like WOW because if they wanted that they'd go play WOW instead long ago.
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This game is here for entertainment, your return on investment was the time you got to play with said weapon, and if it was only recent, it wouldn't be 200+ hours unless it was your choice to make it so. Mythic owners are the only ones getting really shafted here.
What I'm saying is it shouldn't just *poof* best weapon. Give me a trial to make it better than the new stuff, and I'll gladly do that.
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You know what the worst part of this whole thing really is? SE wildly changing the structure of the game has everyone so agitated, that people are starting to miss Tanaka.
And that's never ok. SHAME ON YOU, SQUARE-ENIX.
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People said the same ***when abyssea first came out. In time they adjusted and got the new stuff.
Less whining, and more farming, GO! They already said they will adjust them in someway, thus go farm the new stuff till then. They won't just magically upgrade them that's for sure. You prob need to get the new weapons in some way anyhow. I dunno why you are complaining about AH'able weapons lol. Do you see any for sale? Duh nope, cause no one can kill the mega bosses yet. Thus no mats, thus nothing on AH. Maybe some pickup group can somehow kill the mega bosses, but most likely they will be killed by seasoned LS's. And guess what, those LS prob won't sell em, not for a long while.
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you. Except, I'm the older generation and this makes you sound like a *** idiot. I will gladly elucidate for you. I understand that relics are easy now or some people had an easier time making them but here goes: I spent 2 hours farming dynamis (poorly) everyday getting ~200 currency. That's 153 hours of my time spent farming up apoc (JUST FOR 75). Then the trials. I think it's a conservative estimate to say another 40-50 hours for the trials to 99. I understand the concept of the value of time/money is hard to grasp in mommy's basement when the best thing you have to do with an hour is beat off, but my time is actually pretty valueable. Ask a college student what an hour costs them. If one of my customers wants to buy an hour of my time they're paying $50/hour. In 203 hours I'm fairly certain I could begin to learn another language, or re-build an engine (or in theory go buy some mountain dew, play 3 rounds of COD and talk some ***on an online forum). Either way 200+ hours is a huge chunk of time to invest into ANYTHING (let alone a *** game they charge me for). If you took my working value/hour and applied it to this it would cost you $ 10,150 to have me farm you an Apocalypse on the clock. That's a bit extruded obviously but time IS valuable. When I've only got an average of 700,800 hours on this planet (and only half of those are "good") I kind of expect a return on my investment. Now you're telling me that someone can get something that shits all over my investment with (assuming luck) less than a days worth of work? Yeah *** that. This isn't WOW. This isn't another MMO. The concept of "everything will be obsolete eventually" was never understood here. If I ever thought this ***would be EASILY replaced I wouldn't have spent the time on it... simple as that. I also am NOT required to play this game. I do pay for it (in case you weren't aware). I don't use my parents credit card to pay for this account. Being that it is a commodity, or product, it is their job to please me.... in essence I am entitled to demand what I want from this game because they charge me to play it. They stop fulfilling their side of the bargain and guess what: Everyone with their HURPEDY DURPEDY, CHANGE R GUD MAN. I THINK WE SHUD GET 10 MIN WORK WEAPON BECUZ WOW DOZ IT is *** ignorant. If I wanted that I would have played a different MMO. I vote with my dollar. That's my entitlement. If you change my *** Coke, and I don't like it; I go buy pepsi (or just drink water, etc). It's not their "whim" to make this game. It is their JOB to make content that pleases people and draws them business. A large portion of the playerbase saying "*** it, im out" is NOT good for continuing to work. If you think new people are going to run out and buy FFXI after 13 years because of 300 D weapons, you're beyond help. tl;dr keep the majority happy and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. You're not going to attract new players after a decede being like WOW because if they wanted that they'd go play WOW instead long ago. /flex!! well written
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Lakshmi.Snozeberry said: » This game is here for entertainment, your return on investment was the time you got to play with said weapon, and if it was only recent, it wouldn't be 200+ hours unless it was your choice to make it so. Mythic owners are the only ones getting really shafted here. What I'm saying is it shouldn't just *poof* best weapon. Give me a trial to make it better than the new stuff, and I'll gladly do that. You can have that trial, soon as Delve/Ahable weapons are more difficult to obtain than they are currently. Till then, nope, 99 owners shouldn't have to do anything to have the weapon be increased, they've already done more just getting to the 75 R/M or 85 empy then the Delve/AH owner ever did. |
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