Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

At least my Aegis will still be useful!

Right?

RIGHT?

For now...

Good mourning ff fans

For quite a while really since atm theres only 3 things that go over cap one is a mythic and other is a blu spell. Not happy that these two new shields have a lot more def than aegis and ochain.....

I was being facetious, but honestly at this point I wouldn't put anything past them.

Look at it this way, if your respective deity said "uhh I've been thinking, we're just gonna do away with penises, but I want to preserve their importance, so you can still procreate, but through spiritual methods." Everyone would be angry....well Lorena Bobbit wouldn't but most people would.

Even if SE find a good solution to this problem they've made, chances we are gonna be looking at a 6 month wait before we even get a fix, its just poor planning on SE's part.

Reason i say 6 months look at the new 2 hours, they've been working on those ages an still no word on when they'll implament it, an the REMC buff is still in very early stages.

This ^

The new weapons are stupid easy to get. Might as well get them while you wait for the RME update. (or lack of update)

Burn all of this ***.
To the ground.

In with the new, out with the old.

BURN IT ALL! BURN IT ALL THE GROUND! MWAHAHHAHAHA

This is probably how it will go, if at all. Still, you'd think with all the people they've pissed off they'd put this at the top of their priority list, but when you've just released an expansion people bought and paid for, it'd be difficult to put that on the back burner.

Sorry, is there a comprehensive guide on how to get those weapons? As much as I hate it, I might as well jump on the new wagon seeing how there is no other option.

Thank you.

Kinda want a Bereaver whilst I see how things turn out.

I want to bereave.~

Yes, first gank ***/do reives. Get IV, or V shards. Get 18 powerful peeps together. Pop the IV or V mob and kill it somehow, this will give you key item. The NM's will drop weapons even, but usualy probably drop nothing.

But never fear, since you killed them and you got the KI, you are flagged and you can buy all the ***they can drop for points. Points you get from killing NMs, or from doing delve, or clicking on said shards you find. Each weapon costs 30k of these new points. 3 KI, one per each of the delve zones. Can buy other stuff like armor and accessories, depends on the KI you get. a I II or III shard kill will give you a KI to buy the gears and stuff, IV and V the weapons.

So there you go, get cracking and quit spouting about how you were wronged. If you truely aren't a 'noob' then you will have these. Only takes a day to farm 30k points if you know what you are doing. If you really are a noob who just had an easy to farm level 90 empy or relic then whatever, you got no right to be complaining in the first place!

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Delve

This was my response on the OF to all this crap. I think it's a pretty good solution to this mess:


I just returned to the game yestereday after an 8 month hiatus since I'd done most of what I'd wanted to do and was waiting for the expansion. Real life made me a month late on that, and I arrive to this mess. I have 2 Empryean weapons, an almost 90 Ukon and a just finished 80 Almace. My plan was to work on both while playing around in Adoulin. As of now, there is no reason for me to bother to invest anymore of my time on these weapons. None.

While I like the idea of unlocking the WS's, like we can already do for Mythics, this is not a solution for this issue. The only acceptable solution to this is to increase the base damage of the level 99 R/M/E/C weapons in the next version update. No trials, no quests. Just log in after the version update and have your hardwork on obtaining the 99 be reflected right away. This is ONLY for the 99's, prior stages can stay as is, as far as I'm concerned.

And yeah, that means my 80-90 level Empy's are gimp as hell, but I'd have work to do to make them relevant.

You want to unlock the Relic/Empryean WS's? Fine, you can do that ON TOP of increasing the damage of the 99 versions. Finish 99 WoE weapon, unlock Empy WS. Use the fake relics from Abyssea, use the WS oh, say, 100 times on *insert mob type here* and you've unlocked the Relic WS. Note: you just get the WS, not the +40% damage increase the 99 Relic owner has.

Win/win. Oh, and this helps the issue of Merit WS's. I know I'd make a WoE Katana to access Blade: Hi since I can't merit :Shun and have no desire to 99 the Kannagi.

Everybody wins, the casual players and the hardcores. Faith is restored, atleast somewhat, and we keep on enjoying this game for years to come.

Not hard, Matsui, not hard at all.

In deed

Why should there not be any work lol? Upgrades shouldn't be free, should have to work for it.

But it only takes 1 day to get a new weapon, quit crying like it's so hard. Let me guess, you never even tried to get the new stuff done yet. If you never had a 99, then you didn't put enough work into it, nuff said.

99 owners have already put the work in, the weapon should just plain be the best at 99 since this is the level cap. Unless you don't think R/M/E 99 owners didn't do anything to earn the weapon.

Oh, and from what I've read, obtaining the Delve weapon doesn't require much, if anything. 99 owners, of which I'm not one, deserve to have their weapon be at the top, period.

As a 99 Relic holder, I'll have the new weapon long before any updates get applied. I don't agree it should be *login and poof better weapon*, but I also would like to not just throw it away.

Yes, they should. Either that, or make the Delve weapons harder to obtain if they insist on yet another trial for the 99 owners to complete to compensate.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Delve
Given the insane amount of evasion+magic resist+HP on NMs and 45min timelimit in Delve Fracture before you can access the boss, its fairly certain they expect people to have the new weapons(with augments) instead of 99RMEs to kill this stuff fast enough.

If they raised the D on 99RMEs to match these new weaps you could pretty much just ignore the T4-T5+Fracture Megaboss content or stick to farming fracture trashmobs+lesser NMs for airlixir+plasm for buying gear+augments.

To upgrade 99 RMEs they should just have it require drops like 'Alizarin yggzi bead V' that come from the Delve NMs + have all the NM KI as a prerequisite along with a ton of plasm+airlixir. That way it stays consistent with the effort needed to get these new weapons they added.

i agree

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/04/30/the-surprising-excellence-of-the-new-neverwinter-mmorpg-open-beta-launches-today/

This just reaks of a sense of entitlement that the current generation keeps thinking that work they've done in the past somehow means they are guaranteed something in the future. Your work in the past was to get something in the past. They aren't taking anything away from you.

You're work in the future is to guarantee something in the future. Why not just work harder to have the best, instead of waiting months for them to maybe/maybe not upgrade your weapon?

Even if they agree to your *poof new weapon*, it isn't happening until a major update, and during that time, I'll enjoy the new weapons for 3-6 months while people keep crying.

So what would the difference be in 99 empy staff and a WOE version?

I mean 85-99, the weapon skill does not get an increase I percent. It doesn't add one, two or three, ereasga. This is all the same from 85-99 as it is on WoE. 40%, 60%, 80&.

After going from 90-99 empy, my empy is not ven a week old at 99 and this is what I get for my hard work.

I only made four R/E's. And I didn't make any for max DPS.

Apoc, 99, for survivability.
Rag, I made out of boredom. I really don't care what happens to this weapon.
Empy staff: Myrkr is like apoc a utility tool and was the highest Dmg staff by 15 points until this week.
And Almace, again this I see as a utility tool. It allows a blu to have more chain affinity combos.

For the last two years REM's farming kept the game alive. Honestly it perhaps the game would of crashed if not for this.

Could you image people doing VW spams but no need for HMP's rifts and dross. Many people used this for gil. Especially after the blinker nerf.

Dynamics 2.0. This let people solo, but flooded the market and created even more solvability. I never used this event to fund my items. But I know many people made this their source of income.

So SE let these events and trails make their game extend two years while they had little or no direction.

Anyone notice since this announcement came out that marrows went from 7-11m overnight. I know as last week I bought 35 for 6.5 to 7.5 on six servers. Today I checked again and the prices sky rocked due to speculation that everyone will need them who was fine without. My guess they will go to 15-20m before this is over. I held on to all the ones I picked up.

Empys 90-99 will have the hardest of the three REM to upgrade as time goes by. People can solo and buy R's 99. and trio box M's to 99. But they cant do that for E's.

I do feel cheated out of my 99 empy staff. And unlike R's who do have a few afterglow users, I know two. One who made a computer program to afk FC party and another who did similar blinkers program, marrows are obtainable over time.

3000 riftdross or riftcinder...... You could combne all servers of these items for three months and that wouldn't break 500, and it will go down over time. Let alone one server.

This guy should be fired like the CEO of SE just was.

WoE weapons should not be upgraded. No one is going to upgrade the 99 double attack weapons, nor the 99 elemental or skill chain weapons. So no, they are not even close it a real REM.

Yeah, I've killed one outside NM and done Delve twice (terribly) while essentially not playing at all apart from that. I already have 5500 Plasm. Within the next few nights I will likely get access to Aphotic Kukri, and then I can put Terpsichore into Storage. I got Macoquetza a few nights back too, so I can maybe also put Twashtar into storage!

It was nice of them to let us access Storage from anywhere.

Can't have a sense of entitlement when I don't own a 99 R/M/E, and have already acknowledged that my 80-90 weapons would be gimp as hell.

It's not *poof new weapon* it's *poof your weapon you spent months, years and millions of gil on is back to where it was supposed to be* On top.

When Delve weapons are hard to obtain, and as far as I've read, they aren't, then make it require a trial/quest whatever for the 99 owners to get the upgrades. Till then, nope, just give it to them, they've earned it already over the YEARS of effort.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33112-Level-99-Relic-Mythic-Empyrean-and-WoE-Weapons/page25


This is what I think, I know I already said my opinion however, since I said my opinion I learned a little bit more about afterglows on empyreans, relics and Mythics.

Firstly, afterglows overwrite any aftermath effect a player may currently have regardless of the type. Which I think needs to be fixed.

Mythics have the Occasionally Attacks 2-3 times Aftermath,
Relics have an aftermath effect for each weapon, and Empyreans have a Occassionally deals Severe damage aftermath.
And I think that each of these buffs should be in a separate buff type, so in theory a player can be buffed with all three types, not having them overwrite each other.

Secondly, I think skillchains need a overhaul. Currently when a player closes a skillchain often times it won't show up in text because of the gear changing this game requires, and I think this needs to be addressed and fixed if possible so it always shows up in the chat log.

Third, I think that once a Empyrean, Relic or Mythic reaches the afterglow state that the base damage on the weapon should be increased by half in order to make them more appealing. I think relic, Empyreans and Mythic owners deserve at least that.

On another note once a player has the afterglow effect of a weapon it only buffs everyone else in the party when they use it, (they no longer receive the aftermath effect of the weapon), Which I think each player should receive the effect of the weapon especially the user.

In Conclusion, it takes a long time for afterglows to be completed and I think that Square enix should give us the option of how we want to play, rather then forcing us into the latest content because its the only way your going to make any friends in game.

I really miss Tanaka, Allthough I like some of the things Matsui is trying to do (make Paladins more relevent ect..) so I wish we could have a balance of these two developers rather then all the way one way or the other.

And this statement right here is why 99 owners shouldn't have to do anything else for the base damage increase.

EDIT: to the preson who asked about the difference between a 99 Empy and 99 WoE weapon, my idea(whether it's considered good or bad, I dunno) is that the 99 Empy would be the top dog, the 99 WoE weapon would unlock the WS, kinda like unlocking Mythic WS's.

99RMEs arent exactly a waste right now, they are enabling us to kill T1-3 Delve NMs and fracture farm without too much pain while having no skirmish/t4-t5 grade weapons.

Also Almace+Ochain PLDs and RME Bards have nothing to be mad about since they are highly desirable.

Oh and we always bring a RDM to stuff, so thats a thing too lol

I'm trying to consider your argument as someone who has a job, has put in 10 years at a company. Just because they've put in 10 years doesn't mean they no longer have to work to earn their pay, or raises. They should work just as hard as the guy who started 2 weeks ago who may or may not be making the same amount of money doing the same job more efficiently.

People who put years into their weapon (like me) had the best weapon for the time. Most of the 99 R/E/M users that I know are already out getting these new weapons, because they are better. They aren't expecting anything handed to them, and are willing to work to once again have the top weapon.

Most of the people that are complaining about this, are people with 85-90 Empy weapons, because they "worked hard!". Yes, I would like my Relic to be on-par/better than the new weapons, but I certainly don't expect it to be free. I honestly expect them to make *even better* weapons before the expansion is done, so would rather wait until we know what's in store until we start making demands.