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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-01 18:07:42
Well, in your opinion, what can they do to make the RME's more worthy of obtaining with the current content out there now? simple question, simple answer
adjust something pertaining to their damage dealt such that they produce real-scenario damage reasonably close to that of the new weapons
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-01 18:08:19
seems to me lots of players are very upset atm, i for one just got back to ffxi and decided to look for a linkshell sadly all the linkshell leaders I.E. the ppl with R/E/M's at 99 are all going nuts so most linkshell are in transition atm so i cant get one.
and after having a conversation with 1 such leader i realised the people with 99 R/E/M's are the 1% of ffxi players while lots of us do have relics of empys less so mythics were all damaged by this im sure but it seems the 1% are taking it really hard
my situiation is this, last thursday my job the job i love doing that provides for my family and myself was downsized by my company (i was made redundant)
now this is a huge thing to happen to someone but i like to think i took it well, i shook my managers hand as i left and wished my former coworkers well and moved on> infact i wouldent be playing ffxi very much if at all if it wasnt for the fact i was made redundant.
Then here i am playing ffxi and reading the forums and i come across hundreds of people who care so much about something being changed that they are giving up something they enjoy because of it in an uproar.
Now people are entitled to be upset about the update dont get me wrong but getting upset to the extent some people are is ridiculous as lets be honest its going to be what a month? 2 months? until REM are back as the top weapons again and we all know this will happen.
simply put you really just need to get over the fact that a change has been made the players with more ppl backing them up will allways be on top and the soloers like myself will allways fall somewhat behind but its not the end of the world in fact its the begining of a new chapter in adoulin Which has only just begun expect more changes and no doubt many that suit the Rem99 holders perfectly.
R/M/E users are far from 1% of the playerbase.
Ranged weapon skills with melee type weapons.
Whole new meaning to "throw away your R/M/E."
What if the RME's were given them?
I don't think that's the point, but if they were, the approval of said WSs would depend on whether or not they are high damaging, or have a added effect use.
Well, in your opinion, what can they do to make the RME's more worthy of obtaining with the current content out there now?
EDIT: Sorry I missed the question. Basically they need to raise and keep the base damage of Relics and Emps to 10-15% higher than non-prestige weapons and Mythics need a boost to compete.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-01 18:09:03
simple answer = give us more base damage
SE translation of simple answer purple triangle gummi worms heart shape dirty elbow
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 18:09:33
Ranged weapon skills with melee type weapons.
Whole new meaning to "throw away your R/M/E."
What if the RME's were given them?
I don't think that's the point, but if they were, the approval of said WSs would depend on whether or not they are high damaging, or have a added effect use.
Well, in your opinion, what can they do to make the RME's more worthy of obtaining with the current content out there now?
I don't want to farm 99 R/E/M for 1 year to do delve for delve weapons :<
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2013-05-01 18:10:20
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 18:10:47
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
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By Siren.Piccollo 2013-05-01 18:10:54
seems to me lots of players are very upset atm, i for one just got back to ffxi and decided to look for a linkshell sadly all the linkshell leaders I.E. the ppl with R/E/M's at 99 are all going nuts so most linkshell are in transition atm so i cant get one.
and after having a conversation with 1 such leader i realised the people with 99 R/E/M's are the 1% of ffxi players while lots of us do have relics of empys less so mythics were all damaged by this im sure but it seems the 1% are taking it really hard
my situiation is this, last thursday my job the job i love doing that provides for my family and myself was downsized by my company (i was made redundant)
now this is a huge thing to happen to someone but i like to think i took it well, i shook my managers hand as i left and wished my former coworkers well and moved on> infact i wouldent be playing ffxi very much if at all if it wasnt for the fact i was made redundant.
Then here i am playing ffxi and reading the forums and i come across hundreds of people who care so much about something being changed that they are giving up something they enjoy because of it in an uproar.
Now people are entitled to be upset about the update dont get me wrong but getting upset to the extent some people are is ridiculous as lets be honest its going to be what a month? 2 months? until REM are back as the top weapons again and we all know this will happen.
simply put you really just need to get over the fact that a change has been made the players with more ppl backing them up will allways be on top and the soloers like myself will allways fall somewhat behind but its not the end of the world in fact its the begining of a new chapter in adoulin Which has only just begun expect more changes and no doubt many that suit the Rem99 holders perfectly.
R/M/E users are far from 1% of the playerbase.
Ranged weapon skills with melee type weapons.
Whole new meaning to "throw away your R/M/E."
What if the RME's were given them?
I don't think that's the point, but if they were, the approval of said WSs would depend on whether or not they are high damaging, or have a added effect use.
Well, in your opinion, what can they do to make the RME's more worthy of obtaining with the current content out there now?
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
i said lvl 99 R/E/M users not rem users hell i have 2 90 empys and im halfway to a relic myself
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By Cerberus.Demonsgate 2013-05-01 18:11:44
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 18:11:59
Lost in the shuffle is this: if R/M/Es are completely devalued and worthless, that actually kills a major source of income for a lot of players:
- Ancient currency
- Alexandrite
- HMPs/Rift*
Even if you don't derive your money from these sources, if they dry up, people might shift their focus to whatever you're doing and undercut/inspire fishbot banning/crowd people out/whatever.
Ignore people bitching about their weapons all you like, but the destruction of the weapon economy will have consequences.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-05-01 18:12:12
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
Where?
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 18:12:23
seems to me lots of players are very upset atm, i for one just got back to ffxi and decided to look for a linkshell sadly all the linkshell leaders I.E. the ppl with R/E/M's at 99 are all going nuts so most linkshell are in transition atm so i cant get one.
and after having a conversation with 1 such leader i realised the people with 99 R/E/M's are the 1% of ffxi players while lots of us do have relics of empys less so mythics were all damaged by this im sure but it seems the 1% are taking it really hard
my situiation is this, last thursday my job the job i love doing that provides for my family and myself was downsized by my company (i was made redundant)
now this is a huge thing to happen to someone but i like to think i took it well, i shook my managers hand as i left and wished my former coworkers well and moved on> infact i wouldent be playing ffxi very much if at all if it wasnt for the fact i was made redundant.
Then here i am playing ffxi and reading the forums and i come across hundreds of people who care so much about something being changed that they are giving up something they enjoy because of it in an uproar.
Now people are entitled to be upset about the update dont get me wrong but getting upset to the extent some people are is ridiculous as lets be honest its going to be what a month? 2 months? until REM are back as the top weapons again and we all know this will happen.
simply put you really just need to get over the fact that a change has been made the players with more ppl backing them up will allways be on top and the soloers like myself will allways fall somewhat behind but its not the end of the world in fact its the begining of a new chapter in adoulin Which has only just begun expect more changes and no doubt many that suit the Rem99 holders perfectly.
R/M/E users are far from 1% of the playerbase.
Ranged weapon skills with melee type weapons.
Whole new meaning to "throw away your R/M/E."
What if the RME's were given them?
I don't think that's the point, but if they were, the approval of said WSs would depend on whether or not they are high damaging, or have a added effect use.
Well, in your opinion, what can they do to make the RME's more worthy of obtaining with the current content out there now?
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
i said lvl 99 R/E/M users not rem users hell i have 2 90 empys and im halfway to a relic myself
Lv 95+R/lv 95+E/lv 75+M certainly more than 1%. Those half way done also suffered too.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2013-05-01 18:12:51
they will cave in eventually and give us what the JP's want though
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2013-05-01 18:13:06
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
Please read Camate's translated posts.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-05-01 18:13:24
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
Where?
Nvm, you're wrong. Here's his quote.
Quote: I apologize, but unfortunately I am unable to answer anything at this point in time. One of the reasons I felt I should not have mentioned anything during a stage where various things have not been finalized yet, despite prefacing it that this is non-finalized information, was following up on individual specific questions based on supposition.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-01 18:13:46
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They've said no boosts via ToTM "or any other means". Now they are trying any idea to not boost them. I think they'll eventually give in, but atm we NEED to complain, complaining doesn't get things done much faster, but silencer doesn't get them done at all.
If Matsui would come out and explicitly say "Upgrades to R/M/Es are in planned and in progress." most of us would shut up.
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By Leviathan.Kuryomi 2013-05-01 18:14:05
up the base damage or like mentioned on i think page 1, synergy augments would be a welcomed upgrade, nice and easy
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-05-01 18:14:19
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They've said no boosts via ToTM "or any other means". Now they are trying any idea to not boost them. I think they'll eventually give in, but atm we NEED to complain, complaining doesn't get things done much faster, but silencer doesn't get them done at all.
If Matsui would come out and explicitly say "Upgrades to R/M/Es are in planned and in progress." most of us would shut up.
He did...
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By Valefor.Seravey 2013-05-01 18:15:54
SE's made their intentions clear: They're looking for a way to leave R/M/E behind after several years of service while still giving us a portion of them that we can keep with us forever.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 18:16:12
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
Where?
Nvm, you're wrong. Here's his quote.
Quote: I apologize, but unfortunately I am unable to answer anything at this point in time. One of the reasons I felt I should not have mentioned anything during a stage where various things have not been finalized yet, despite prefacing it that this is non-finalized information, was following up on individual specific questions based on supposition.
Yes I've read that post earlier on BG, sounds like they're not doing that and wanted to make R/E/M "has a use" in another way.
The problem is that's not what those who raged wanted. Wtf, I wanted a weapon with FF history, looks bad ***, has a bad *** name, and a unique WS. That way I'd be satisfied and feel my money is worth it. I don't *** want some sort of compensation and go back to use an AH ugly looking weapon.
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By Cerberus.Ddbone 2013-05-01 18:16:53
I dont see boosting E/M/R damage as a solution. Seems to me having base damages in the 250-300 range etc still makes all the other content seem useless. Something before that added 2-3 DPS to my current 300 DPS wasn't great, but it was enough to make it worth it IMO. I really don't want to bother crushing out VWs or salvage or neo-limbus etc for like a 2-3 DPS increase on my now 700? DPS delve set up, why bother? Plus in a few months its gonna be what 1000 DPS then higher and higher?
How is this not the death of all the old content?
So yeah change woooo great, but in X time when I'm done Delving, and I look exactly like every other of Y job out there, in generic Delve set 1-A with weapon 1-B, what do I do, just log out and wait for the next tier? At least before I could say "hmmm now that I know what its like to be a calad DRK, maybe I'll make an Apoc and try that out. And in the meantime I can go to a whole bunch of different events and content, and add 1 or 2 dps along the way to get better too.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 18:17:31
He's also said a couple of things along the lines of "well, old content isn't comparable to new content" that were suitably vague enough to inspire fear.
I think something is planned, and has been, but his communication of it has been pretty poor, which is honestly the first of that kind of mistake we've seen from him. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, because he has a lot more riding on this than any of us do, but every post he seems to make lately muddies the waters.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2013-05-01 18:18:41
Well, seems to me if they don't want to touch the RME's, then the obvious answer would be to nerf the Delve weapons. Or create another mindless and extravagant weapon quest R/M/E/x
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-01 18:19:50
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They've said no boosts via ToTM "or any other means". Now they are trying any idea to not boost them. I think they'll eventually give in, but atm we NEED to complain, complaining doesn't get things done much faster, but silencer doesn't get them done at all.
If Matsui would come out and explicitly say "Upgrades to R/M/Es are in planned and in progress." most of us would shut up.
He did...
I read that, must have missed where he explicitly stated anything other than "unlock relic WS" and "I can't answer that."
EDIT: What I see is this...
Akihiko_Matsui said: While the memories you made and the stats on your equipment cannot always be proportionate, we are trying our best to see if we can keep all of the effort spent on earning these weapons intact.
We plan to do all that we can, but please give us some time for this.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-01 18:20:53
they will cave in eventually and give us what the JP's want though Yes.
Lost in the shuffle is this: if R/M/Es are completely devalued and worthless, that actually kills a major source of income for a lot of players:
- Ancient currency
- Alexandrite
- HMPs/Rift*
Even if you don't derive your money from these sources, if they dry up, people might shift their focus to whatever you're doing and undercut/inspire fishbot banning/crowd people out/whatever.
Ignore people bitching about their weapons all you like, but the destruction of the weapon economy will have consequences. Based on Matsui's post, you'll need the lv 99 weapons at least, meaning that if the WSs are needed, the market doesn't die (not all weapons etc).
Bad communication on SE's part anyway, but I'm pretty sure that they are aware that VW and Dyna are the "basic" money making the game has to offer and it would be a bad idea to kill either without giving another option(s).
As a relic owner/maker, I'm not worried one bit. I would be worried it I was in position to get the new weapons fully upgraded in a relatively low amount of time, meaning that i'll be left hanging for an answer/announcement regarding RME upgrade. But thankfully, I'm not. I'll go back to finish my Apocarok.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 18:20:55
then the obvious answer would be to nerf the Delve weapons
I would assume they would adjust every other weapon in the game's damage value before they backtrack like that, actually.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-05-01 18:23:04
oops posted on wrong char
I think the problem is two stages:
A) People don't want to embrace change
B) We're all looking at it from an older perspective, not the one that Matsui wants us to look at it from
The cause of these problems is undoubtedly the fact that we have these changes and philosophies being forced on us so rapidly. Instead of gradually bringing us into the new world of XI, away from pre-Adoulin, we're being forced to do a single new event instead of being able to do the several old events that we're used to. Once you have the gear to reliably do Delve, you're effectively wasting your time by doing old content and thus your breadth of available content is limited from 10~ events down to just one. Before making the gap so large, they should have expanded the number of events that we can do to enter the new "world" of FFXI rather than regulating us to just one.
Relics/Emps/Mythics have no place in this new world. We have to accept that fact. Matsui's just making it a difficult pill to swallow.
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2013-05-01 18:24:18
then the obvious answer would be to nerf the Delve weapons
I would assume they would adjust every other weapon in the game's damage value before they backtrack like that, actually.
>_>
I can one-shot lvl50 mobs with the onion sword! :D
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2013-05-01 18:25:42
Not without the damage to compete with the new weapons.
Which is most likely to happen when they upgrade them in the future like they said they are doing atm.
They said they're not doing that.
Where?
Nvm, you're wrong. Here's his quote.
Quote: I apologize, but unfortunately I am unable to answer anything at this point in time. One of the reasons I felt I should not have mentioned anything during a stage where various things have not been finalized yet, despite prefacing it that this is non-finalized information, was following up on individual specific questions based on supposition.
Yes I've read that post earlier on BG, sounds like they're not doing that and wanted to make R/E/M "has a use" in another way.
The problem is that's not what those who raged wanted. Wtf, I wanted a weapon with FF history, looks bad ***, has a bad *** name, and a unique WS. That way I'd be satisfied and feel my money is worth it. I don't *** want some sort of compensation and go back to use an AH ugly looking weapon.
He did also say this:
Quote: While the memories you made and the stats on your equipment cannot always be proportionate, we are trying our best to see if we can keep all of the effort spent on earning these weapons intact.
We plan to do all that we can, but please give us some time for this.
He may have not stated outright that they will be the "best" weapons again, but then again it can mean any number of options available to them, including boosting typical stats on the weapons themselves. Hence the reason why he regrets posting about it in the first place
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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2013-05-01 18:26:10
I think it's safe to assume the aftermath and/or damage bonus the weapon provides to the WS will be included in this.
Can already use mythic WS for one. WoE weapons giving same WS as Empy would be a big slap in the face.
| 04-26-2013 12:52 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team |  |
| | I'd like to deeply apologize for mentioning "Don’t throw away your relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons" during an interview. Relic, mythic, and empyrean (below R/M/E weapons) take a great deal of time and difficulty to obtain, and this expression was extremely lacking in consideration for all of the players who tried so hard to complete them.
What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons, so please have them in your possession, and there was no other meaning intended.
In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.
For the Adoulin end-game content aimed at the top players, where they can obtain high level equipment as well, we will gradually make adjustments to difficulty so that once new end-game content is released you'll be able to obtain these items if you put in a bit of effort.
Also, we will similarly be adjusting content in existing areas, though it may take some time and be a limited time event. | |
| 05-09-2013 10:15 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator |  |
| | Matsui: Follow up on Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin Weapons
Hello, it's Matsui. Thank you for all of your opinions about Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin weapons (hereafter, RMEC). They were very helpful.
After reading all of the varied opinions, we have decided that rather than unlocking the weapon skills specific to each weapon, a reworking of RME weapons would be more effective (for coin weapons, more information will be provided later, but we plan to allow these to unlock the dedicated weapon skills).
I have written and reorganized this in various ways and it has become quite lengthy with examples. After you have gotten a chance to look over it, please let us know if you have any further opinions.
Content Level
We received many questions about the parameters of Adoulin equipment. Because this is an important part in order to be able to understand the reworking of RME so you can provide your opinion, please allow me to repeat the explanation for content level and growth in Seekers of Adoulin.
In Adoulin, the basic design is a repeated play cycle where players become stronger and stronger as they align themselves with equipment obtained from challenging content which, in turn, allows them to take on even more challenging content.
By aligning themselves with this equipment, players will continue to grow even without leveling up.
The content level of Adoulin content is set as follows:
[[Info below is much better formatted in a table on the original post.]]
20: Delve (Boss Monsters) (Current)
17: Wildskeeper Reive (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
14: Delve NMs (Tier 2) (Current)
13: Skirmish (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
11: Delve NMs (Tier 1) (Current)
6-9: Colonization / Lair Reives (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
7: Wildskeeper Reive (Current)
6: Skirmish (Current)
1-5: Colonization/Lair Reives (Current)
The strength of the equipment that can be obtained, rather than the level of the equipment, will be dependent on the content level. The equipment to be added later in Adoulin will of course be equippable at level 99, but the level of the equipment parameters would be even higher to match the content level (for example, similar to what level 110 or 120 equipment might look like).
While the strength of the monsters which appear is determined to match the content level, in order to fill out the hierarchy between content to some extent, we have designed monsters of variable strength. The parameters of the equipment that can be obtained in Adoulin is set by determining the parameters that would be necessary to compete with those monsters.
The level of current and planned content is set to minimize the gaps between content level, but we may also insert additional intermediate content if the jump between levels remains too high.
In some cases, content variations will cause content to cover multiple levels. We also plan to enhance the amount of content available horizontally at individual levels, rather than just vertically over the content level range.
The content in the next version update will be added with this in mind.
Referencing the "next version update" items above, it will be possible to add new colonization and lair reive equipment purchasable for Bayld in the level 6~9 range (which currently includes Skirmish and Wildskeeper Reives). In addition, we will be inserting new content at levels 13 and 17.
Also, one part of smoothing out the content level will be adjusted in a maintenance to be carried out of the end of this week: we will be adding a fixed probability to obtain the items needed to enter Skirmishes (Simulacrum Segments) from Lair and Colonization Reives. (This adjustment is unrelated to the current rules associated with coalition assignments, gathering, and Soul Pyres.)
By making this adjustment, the assumed progression will be:
1. First, take on lair and colonization reives.
2. As a result of those battles, obtain Simulacrum Segments.
3. Combine the segments in order to enter Skirmishes.
Reworking RMEC
Please excuse my lengthy explanation above. I'll now return to the topic at hand.
First off, since it is necessary for the development staff to further consider the implementation, we cannot guarantee the timeframe as far as whether it will be included in the next version update.
Regarding the types of parameters that would be reworked, special abilities such as Aftermath and Afterglow will remain, while parameters such as the DMG rating, attack, and accuracy will be set to match the content level post-rework.
Since the parameters will be reworked to become aligned with high content difficulty, we do not intend to rework it in small intervals such as with the previous method of Trial of the Magians.
Prior to now, RME were considered the strongest weapons, so I think there will need to be some change to this viewpoint. For those who have RME, you may not require the other weapons, but there now be a choice among other comparable weapons.
If you are worried about how these weapons will be able to be used, for example, against Delve boss monsters, here are some parameters which we are looking at for the reworking. This is just for RME one-handed swords as an example:
Excalibur
DMG:73 Delay:233 Attack+40
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
to
DMG:121 Delay:233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
Burtgang
DMG:73 Delay:264 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
to
DMG:131 Delay:264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
Almace
DMG:70 Delay:224 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
to
DMG:114 Delay:224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Since coin weapons were originally just intended to be used for Empyrean weapon skills, based on the concept, I believe that instead of reworking them, they can be used to open the dedicated weapon skills (with certain level and job restrictions). We are currently considering the adjustment procedures necessary for this..
In conclusion
I've gone on for a while, so considering the reworking for level 99 Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons as well as the unlocking of dedicated weapon skills via Coin weapons, please let us know your opinions. We will read through your thoughts one by one to make sure we understand your point of view.
Note that this is a large departure from the original plan. Considering the feasibility of scheduling this change, the development may take some time.
I apologize for keeping you waiting on my response.
Thanks in advance!
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| 05-09-2013 2:19 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team | |
| | Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons
Matsui here.
Thank you all so much for the feedback on relic, mythic, empyrean, and Walk of Echoes weapons. It has helped out tremendously.
After reading over all of your feedback, instead of continuing the growth of these weapons by unlocking the weapon skills that are tied to each of the weapons, I feel it would be better to perform a revamp on RME weapons. (Regarding Walk of Echoes weapons, I will talk about this below, but they will be involved with unlocking the specialized weapon skills.)
I've been reworking a lot, and writing it all up, but it seems the post turned out rather lengthy, so once you have been able to read through it all and digest it we'd love to hear your feedback.
Content Level
We've received a lot of questions about the stats on Adoulin equipment, and I'd like to once again explain about growth and content levels in Seekers of Adoulin as this is a critical aspect in order to receive feedback on the revamps for RME weapons.
The content in Adoulin has been designed with a repeating play-cycle where you challenge content that you are able to at that moment in time, gather equipment, become stronger, and then take on higher tier content which will allow you to gather even stronger equipment.
It's through the procurement of equipment that will allow players to grow and level up.
We've established content levels for Adoulin content as a means to objectively display difficulty benchmarks. The below is a concrete illustration of these content levels.
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Equipment strength is dependent on the level of the content you need to challenge in order to obtain the equipment, not the level in which it can be equipped. With the gear that is released in Adoulin from here on out, they can be equipped at level 99; however, instead of considering these to be level 99 pieces of equipment, it would be better for you to think of their level in terms of the content level (for example, level 110 or level 120).
The strength of the monsters that will be introduced are matched to that of the content level, but since there is somewhat of a solidified hierarchy between content, it's been setup so that the strength can be felt with even one level difference in content level. Oppositely, the parameters on Adoulin equipment have been calculated and set in order to deal with these monsters.
Fundamentally we will be making it so that the content level for content to come in the future continues to become higher, but there may be cases where we fill in areas where there is a large jump in content level as needed.
Also, in order to make it so there are various types of content sprawled across a single content level, we are supplementing it with content variations. We've also designed plans to enable resting periods where we will expand laterally instead of vertically, because players may get burnt out going full steam ahead.
In the next version update we will be adding content focusing on filling in the gaps as well as supplementing with content variation.
In the above chart, please look at the “Next version update (currently adjusting)” column. For content levels 6-9 (Skirmish/Wildskeeper Reives), we will be adding equipment appropriate for these content levels that can be exchanged for Bayld along with new Colonization and Lair Reives. Additionally, we will be filling in content for levels 13 and 17.
For those players who are already able to take on Skirmish, Wildskeeper Reives, and Delve at this point in time, it will not be absolutely necessary to challenge this content, but we will be making the above adjustments in case you want to increase your success rate, or are feeling that the current situation is still a bit tough.
Also, as a plan to resolve the issue where Skirmish is not really connecting the content as was planned, we will be undergoing maintenance at the end of this week and making it so statue segments can be obtained from Colonization and Lair Reives at a set rate. (These adjustments are separate from the rules associated with obtaining these items via Coalition Assignments, HELM, and Soul Pyres.)
By performing these adjustments we envision the below flow:
Challenge Colonization and Lair Reives
Obtain statue segments by participating in these reives
Challenge Skirmish with the parts you have obtained
Weapon Revamps
Sorry, I got off track for a bit, but now I'd like to return to the topic at hand.
To start off, I still need to discuss the implementation period with the rest of the development team, so it will be a bit difficult to address this immediately in the next version update, and we cannot make any promises as to when this will take place.
In regards to the kind of stats that will be added when we revamp these weapons, fundamentally the afterglow and aftermath effects as well as the other special stats will carry over and we'll be setting damage values, attack, and accuracy stats to coincide with the content level.
While the stats will be quite strong, we do not plan on making it possible to continuously enhance them in short intervals like the original method of enhancing via Trial of the Magians.
However, RME weapons have been considered the ultimate weapons up until this point in time, but I feel that this needs to change a bit.
I would like to make a shift so that instead of having it so that other weapons aren't necessary if you have RME weapons, you have a choice. If you are happy with RME, then you can use RME, and for those who want other weapons you can use other weapons.
With that said, there may be players who are worried if these weapons will eventually become unusable, but to give an example we had the lead make some calculations for the stats needed to combat the Delve boss monsters, and the below is what the RME swords would look like:
Excalibur
DMG: 73 Delay: 233 Attack+40 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
Burtgang
DMG: 73 Delay: 264 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
DMG: 131 Delay: 264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
Almace
DMG: 70 Delay: 224 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
In regards to Walk of Echoes weapons, these were implemented with the concept of allowing players to use the specialized empyrean weapon skills, so instead of revamping them we felt it more appropriate to have them serve to unlock the weapons skills (planning to have restrictions based on jobs and level). Also, we are looking into adjustments for the method to create Walk of Echoes weapons.
In conclusion…
Apologies that this post is so long, but based on all of the above we would love to hear your feedback on the revamps to level 99 RME weapons and unlocking weapon skills with Walk of Echoes weapons.
I will be sure to read over each and every comment you all post.
My thoughts and ideas have completely turned around the plans that were originally drawn up, and I had to sit and really discuss the idea with the rest of the development team, including the possibilities of making this happen.
I apologize that this response was late and that I made you all wait.
Thank you all very much. | |
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