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By Phoenix.Archeim 2013-05-01 15:33:30
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Otomis said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
I know there's some 470 pound hambeast of a guy out there, somewhere, who lives in a basement, leeching their neighbor's WiFi to play FFXI, and he only bathes during updates, he gets out of the shower an hour and a half later, returns to his computer to see the details of the update and he's all like "WTF?! Did I seriously wash my balls for THIS?!"

WTF? that made lol'd rather hard actually.

Otomis meet Kojo. He's on my server, as well as in my linkshell. Sometimes i call him on the phone so he can say things to make me piss myself laughing. Normally he does that in LS chat. This normally involves me with some form of beverage leaving my nose. I ruin a lot of good clothing that way.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 15:34:08
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
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Most of you dudes complain about just about everything SE provides, regardless of the challenge or fix, or buff, or whatever
Not true. We were here last month talking about how good it was that they were fixing broken mechanics.

You also had people complain about the ease of the transition to the new land, (because of no boating there), people complaining about how the initial fixes to enmity is "broken" (when it wasn't fully implemented yet), people complaining about Neo Nyzul Isle post Embrava (when it's still just as easy regardless), and another assortment of complaints I can't be bothered to type on.

I've always advocated that people should be patient and give Matsui time. He's worlds better than Tanaka, and will provide us with content that people will enjoy for years to come.
He has already told us straight up that it will now be a gear treadmill meaning content will be obsoleted on a regular basis.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-01 15:34:14
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
If they only added things that people asked for, this game would've been dead five years ago or more. It's their job to stay ahead of the curve. Those that actually understand balance and game design are few and far between. The loudest voices are typically the most inane on those subjects.
Exactfuckingly.

Understanding a game and understanding what it needs are two very different things.

Main reason why the "big members of the community" while very good and knowledgeable players are nothing but a joke when they make suggestions on forums.

The game isn't perfect, but thinking that because you understand the game you have a single clue about how to change it, you're delusional.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 15:35:18
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
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@Shokox

do you know what eloquent means?

Do you know what sarcasm means?
We've had people around here that don't know how a compass works, it's not a stretch to think you were being serious.
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By Asura.Zart 2013-05-01 15:35:42
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I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-01 15:35:48
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i'm agreeing with draylo
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-01 15:36:45
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
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@Shokox do you know what eloquent means?
Do you know what sarcasm means?

foiled by the lack of sarcasm quotes again.

you win this round you magnificent ***.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 15:37:06
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
So they are complaining about random weapons that have been added that "invalidates" their current R/M/E/C?

I think it's you guys who haven't a clue as it's usually the same BS complaints more over. Most of you dudes complain about just about everything SE provides, regardless of the challenge or fix, or buff, or whatever.


Lol do you really think this R/E/M rage is really on same scale as past version update rage?

See if you can say the same when server merge happen and repeat in 2015 :)

(And yes, I think server merg inc if SE doesn't fix this soon enough)
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2013-05-01 15:37:34
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Asura.Zart said: »
I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.

soooo spend billions of gil or months of an entire alliance's time to be on par with a AH weapon?
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-01 15:38:15
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Asura.Ina said: »
Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
Most of you dudes complain about just about everything SE provides, regardless of the challenge or fix, or buff, or whatever
Not true. We were here last month talking about how good it was that they were fixing broken mechanics.

You also had people complain about the ease of the transition to the new land, (because of no boating there), people complaining about how the initial fixes to enmity is "broken" (when it wasn't fully implemented yet), people complaining about Neo Nyzul Isle post Embrava (when it's still just as easy regardless), and another assortment of complaints I can't be bothered to type on.

I've always advocated that people should be patient and give Matsui time. He's worlds better than Tanaka, and will provide us with content that people will enjoy for years to come.
He has already told us straight up that it will now be a gear treadmill meaning content will be obsoleted on a regular basis.
For the people who clear those contents yes. For the people behind the raging 356 day players there is PLENTY of content that will help you do the higher end content to catch up. You still need dynamis for relic+2 augments,you still need Sea for obi's/torques,you still need some other content for optimal pieces. However, in the future you will still need dynamis,sea,and other still relevant items for abilities and such but you will now have to do the newer content for the big fapping catalyst numbers on WS. The games content is not just completely dead because players get new content.
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By Bismarck.Yor 2013-05-01 15:38:32
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
The expansion will bring on a REAL challenge that hasn't been seen since early Zilart and early CoP (before all of the content nerfs and extended merit additions). And people will complain for a while, and later adapt and have fun.

Those challenges died with Abyssea and the raise of the level cap.

Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
To be honest, I've been awaiting a challenge for a number of years now

You're playing the wrong game then.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-01 15:38:56
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Asura.Zart said: »
I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.

you should be on the dev team with an idea that bad.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-01 15:40:08
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Asura.Zart said: »
I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-01 15:40:18
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
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That's quite a lot of words. It's a good thing you could type it out, so you didn't have to learn to breathe through your nose.

If all RME players "just quit bro becuz no won curr" there wouldn't be much of a playerbase left. SE takes anymore of a financial hit and the company goes under. (borderline bankruptcy / firing CEO / cutting dev team budgets already etc). As much as you think you're being edgy right now, a vast majority of the playerbase is upset by this. Listen to upset RME players = upset a the 2% of the playerbase who is new and thinks "MMO + casual = smart". Listen to you = giant profit margin loss and potential (albeit im reaching a bit) collapse of company.


I don't think SE would go bankrupt if FFXI shut down or suffer from major server merge next year(it may not happen if SE fix this R/E/M issue as quickly as possible), but it will affect my confidence in FFXIV >.> SE just showed that they're very good at killing an MMORPG with bad decision making.

And FFXIV fail=dead SE for real.

SE showed that the first two times it failed to make XIV good. I wasn't trying to imply that SE's empire exists because of XI, I meant that SE has been making some REALLY BAD DECISIONS lately and they are in serious financial distress.

Even the fact that they released XIV and continued XI. It should have either A) been one or the other or B) not half assed both. They've had two half dead hampsters writing content for XI for years now. If both games fail, I don't feel SE will be able to pull out of the spiral they're riding.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 15:41:57
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Bismarck.Yor said: »
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The expansion will bring on a REAL challenge that hasn't been seen since early Zilart and early CoP (before all of the content nerfs and extended merit additions). And people will complain for a while, and later adapt and have fun.

Those challenges died with Abyssea and the raise of the level cap.
The challenges were dead long before that. Much of the challenges came from us just not knowing the best way to do things IE when pld would live in VIT gear to tank HNMs.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-01 15:42:03
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I guess you haven't read these pages at all and only assume people are raging for epeen sake. If that were the case everyone would have a raging hardon because of the high D on these weapons. Instead, that's not it at all.
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2013-05-01 15:42:37
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
Billions? Mythic99 today is like ~350 mil

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when they reach the afterglow stage

relic: 250 x 10mil = 2.5bil
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-01 15:43:13
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Carbuncle.Shokox said: »
You also had people complain about the ease of the transition to the new land, (because of no boating there), people complaining about how the initial fixes to enmity is "broken" (when it wasn't fully implemented yet), people complaining about Neo Nyzul Isle post Embrava (when it's still just as easy regardless), and another assortment of complaints I can't be bothered to type on.

I've always advocated that people should be patient and give Matsui time. He's worlds better than Tanaka, and will provide us with content that people will enjoy for years to come.


Bad examples, none of those examples erased main selling point of FFXI, and none of the /rage had scale this big.

I don't know whether Matsui's world is better than Tanaka's. I only know server merge happened twice during Abyssea era. Just because you liked his direction, doesn't mean his direction won't pissed off other players and ended up having less players left.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 15:43:41
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Asura.Zart said: »
I think the best and simplest solution to this is to increase the damage on Relic/Empy/Mythics when they reach the afterglow stage to something close to what the best weapons in the game currently have so at least they have a chance at competing.

you should be on the dev team with an idea that bad.
Only if it comes with reducing the requirements for afterglow >.>

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That's quite a lot of words. It's a good thing you could type it out, so you didn't have to learn to breathe through your nose.

If all RME players "just quit bro becuz no won curr" there wouldn't be much of a playerbase left. SE takes anymore of a financial hit and the company goes under. (borderline bankruptcy / firing CEO / cutting dev team budgets already etc). As much as you think you're being edgy right now, a vast majority of the playerbase is upset by this. Listen to upset RME players = upset a the 2% of the playerbase who is new and thinks "MMO + casual = smart". Listen to you = giant profit margin loss and potential (albeit im reaching a bit) collapse of company.


I don't think SE would go bankrupt if FFXI shut down or suffer from major server merge next year(it may not happen if SE fix this R/E/M issue as quickly as possible), but it will affect my confidence in FFXIV >.> SE just showed that they're very good at killing an MMORPG with bad decision making.

And FFXIV fail=dead SE for real.

SE showed that the first two times it failed to make XIV good. I wasn't trying to imply that SE's empire exists because of XI, I meant that SE has been making some REALLY BAD DECISIONS lately and they are in serious financial distress.

Even the fact that they released XIV and continued XI. It should have either A) been one or the other or B) not half assed both. They've had two half dead hampsters writing content for XI for years now. If both games fail, I don't feel SE will be able to pull out of the spiral they're riding.
This actually comes at an extra bad time for them too, aren't they in the middle of a full review of all their current projects?
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 15:45:23
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the simple fact that afterglow exists at all explains why that whole "unlocking ws" is such a dumb/contradictory idea and they don't seem to know what they're doing

afterglow was created with the specific purpose of making people feel warm and fuzzy inside because they had something almost no other player had, the actual gameplay benefits of it were basically nonexistant
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-01 15:45:34
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MAYBE THATS IT INA! They want to get to see their families so they're taking a dive on xi during their performance review XD
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@Ina & Afania Let's also not forget how fail FFXIII was, if it weren't for Vanille and Jurgens hand lotion, I'd have no reason to play FFXIII.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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I guess you haven't read these pages at all and only assume people are raging for epeen sake. If that were the case everyone would have a raging hardon because of the high D on these weapons. Instead, that's not it at all.
However, they are raging for no goddamn reason. Literally, none at all. All these anti-logic based assumptions about a game that half of these people are either bitching about at a change in the drop of a hat or they quit/are quitting now and the other half are nerdraging over a loss in their new favorite flavor of the content.

Then, add on how they'll all change tune in a week when SE realizes that was a bad move. Then, matsui isnt Satan again, Tanaka is the ungodly anti-christ of everything ever, and we will still continue to have R/E/M shout groups like nothing ever happened.

So the old "you just dont get it" line isnt even close to a good defense. I do get it. Your shineh that you've had for 11 years is gone, and you refuse to get new shinehs so therefore the world is ending and matsui caused it.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-01 15:47:54
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
@Ina & Afania Let's also not forget was fail FFXIII was, if it weren't for Vanille and Jurgens hand lotion, I'd have no reason to play FFXIII.

I still didn't. I just googled ***like I did with Fran after my first playthrough ;3
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-01 15:48:00
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Enuyasha said: »
However, they are raging for no goddamn reason. Literally, none at all.
Yep. Didn't read a single post.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 15:48:40
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
@Ina & Afania Let's also not forget how fail FFXIII was, if it weren't for Vanille and Jurgens hand lotion, I'd have no reason to play FFXIII.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-01 15:48:42
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Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »
Can you imagine trying to trio lacovie or eccentric eve then
i remember duoing lacovie then

and eve with less than a party

some of these delve nms on the other hand, i could use some loob
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 15:49:03
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
@Ina & Afania Let's also not forget hos fail FFXIII was, if it weren't for Vanille and Jurgens hand lotion, I'd have no reason to play FFXIII.
FF13 was huge in Japan from what I remember, not as well over in NA but by no means a failure from a company point of view.

Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
MAYBE THATS IT INA! They want to get to see their families so they're taking a dive on xi during their performance review XD
I was just thinking about how he commented about feeling like he had an ulcer in his posts... He must be feeling some heat from this.
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