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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
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By Asura.Zizek 2013-05-01 14:09:49
Tanaka "Balance!"
Matsui "Imbalance!"*
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 14:10:24
Since SE only pays attention to Japanese players I'm writing a big post in japanese. But where do I post it?
For this specific topic, this is the thread you're looking for.
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-05-01 14:10:34
No, it means whateevr new 700 base damage scythe out there can use Cata.
This is a horrible idea. since they let ppl learn Mythics WS they should have let players learn Relics/Empy WS too.
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Cerberus.Meatster
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By Cerberus.Meatster 2013-05-01 14:11:16
This is dumb as ***. Just finished first relic D:. Definatly quitting if this is the case.
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-01 14:11:43
No, if you want to learn the relic WS, go get the relic. No matter how shiny the new weapons are, they will still pale in comparison to difficulty in getting them.
No.
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-05-01 14:12:27
I live in Mississippi and I hear less stupid ideas come out of John Q. Hillbilly.
 Leviathan.Eblan
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By Leviathan.Eblan 2013-05-01 14:12:39
Maybe it's just me, but giving any kind of credit to WoE weapons seems stupid.
I think SE is trying to please everyone. But they aren't and they are screwing everyone in the process.
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By Leviathan.Eblan 2013-05-01 14:13:41
Leviathan.Kincard said: »Since SE only pays attention to Japanese players I'm writing a big post in japanese. But where do I post it?
For this specific topic, this is the thread you're looking for.
Thanks dude
By Blazed1979 2013-05-01 14:14:13
Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »
Official response from subscriber base is up too YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Asura.Aikchan 2013-05-01 14:14:26
No, if you want to learn the relic WS, go get the relic. No matter how shiny the new weapons are, they will still pale in comparison to difficulty in getting them.
No. So if you want to learn a Mythic WS go get a mythic?
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-01 14:14:55
Maybe it's just me, but giving any kind of credit to WoE weapons seems stupid.
I think SE is trying to please everyone. But they aren't and they are screwing everyone in the process.
...if people with those weapons needed to be pleased, they would have made the better version. Gimpyreans have a lifespan.
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-01 14:16:40
No, if you want to learn the relic WS, go get the relic. No matter how shiny the new weapons are, they will still pale in comparison to difficulty in getting them.
No. So if you want to learn a Mythic WS go get a mythic?
The benefit of the mythic is not it's WS, it took a buttload of effort to get one, and rendering empyreans, mythics and relics useless in favor of their WS is a bad idea. You take the uniqueness away from the accomplishment.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-01 14:19:34
No, it means whateevr new 700 base damage scythe out there can use Cata.
This is a horrible idea. since they let ppl learn Mythics WS they should have let players learn Relics/Empy WS too. So then Relic owners don't get an exclusive WS AND can't even use their Relic anymore? Great idea.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2013-05-01 14:19:36
yay i get to 99 my relics and then store them! w00t
By Blazed1979 2013-05-01 14:20:13
Talk about half assed updates - SE upped the dmg output of all melee, even lolthief, but forgot to give Mages anything to keep up.
I want my Thundaga X and Haste V
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By Sylph.Mirvana 2013-05-01 14:20:56
RME holders screwed: Check
Dual wielders screwed: check
People who use WSs that don't factor in weapon damage screwed: check
Anyone missing?
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2013-05-01 14:22:02
lol this R/E/M/C adjustment is probably literally the worst idea I have ever seen from this game, and that's really saying something
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-01 14:22:09
RME holders screwed: Check Dual wielders screwed: check People who use WSs that don't factor in weapon damage screwed: check Anyone missing?
anyone in NA who wants to play on ps2/3
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 14:22:48
So then Relic owners don't get an exclusive WS AND can't even use their Relic anymore? Great idea.
Hey, any of you guys really want Final Heaven, you can have mine.
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Leviathan.Eblan
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By Leviathan.Eblan 2013-05-01 14:23:44
RME holders screwed: Check
Dual wielders screwed: check
People who use WSs that don't factor in weapon damage screwed: check
Anyone missing?
New players screwed: check
Would love to see new players hitting a Delve NM :p
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By Bahamut.Caelestis 2013-05-01 14:25:41
im in utter shock they would even contemplate this idea, let alone decide (as of now) to go through with it...im not saying ppl should ragequit over this, but honestly, i dont blame anyone who has that thought running through their head either.
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Talk about half assed updates - SE upped the dmg output of all melee, even lolthief, but forgot to give Mages anything to keep up.
I want my Thundaga X and Haste V
Obviously this is getting lost in all of this, and i guess i can understand it in a way... BUT this last update scaled the melee output so much that if you dont do the same with mage jobs and their ability to do so with magic dmg, you are just gonna piss more ppl off in the process as well...its like lighting a fuse and watching a warehouse blow up in the process.
By Otomis 2013-05-01 14:26:09
I live in Mississippi and I hear less stupid ideas come out of John Q. Hillbilly.
^^^
This!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Makenshi 2013-05-01 14:26:45
It's a piss-poor idea IMO. 250m WS that might be is weaker than a merit WS? Upgrade the Legendaries, and upgrade the WSs. Fixed
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-01 14:27:21
On ME I don't care if the weapon skill carries over. But due to relic weapons themselves having a cut scene and talking to you. I would feel weird using that weapon skill on something that didn't possess that soul of the weapon.
Maybe FF dimensions is in me as that sword talked to the dark knight the whole game. But it would feel to weird. When I made my empy I didn't have the same attachment as no major CS.
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By Bismarck.Azagthothe 2013-05-01 14:27:36
RME holders screwed: Check
Dual wielders screwed: check
People who use WSs that don't factor in weapon damage screwed: check
Anyone missing?
Anyone who sold currency, umbrals, etc, as his/her main source of income.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 14:29:26
Tanaka "Balance!"
Matsui "Imbalance!"* 
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By Carbuncle.Kewa 2013-05-01 14:31:05
Unsubbed in 5 days what a dissapointment.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 14:31:22
Phoenix.Dabackpack said: »lol this R/E/M/C adjustment is probably literally the worst idea I have ever seen from this game, and that's really saying something The update in the first place still takes the cake for more reasons than R/E/M... Posted this elsewhere guess I'll throw it in here as well REM is the smallest issue that comes of this for most people it's just the most visible. For the first update it was terribly implemented for more then one reason which has shaken the faith of many people in the dev team.
1) One of the things that kept people playing XI is that it offered a wide variety of content to do and not just the new hot event. With this update they more or less obsoleted most of the old stuff and an event that was 1 month old telling us for better or worse this is a new game now
2) As far as I know no adjustments have been made to automations, wyvern's or beastmaster pets, this leaves the pets in the dust as soon as obtains one of the new weapons for those jobs (which can be done in less than a day from what we have seen). It may be on their todo list to update pets but that they didn't think to do it at the same time they ramped up our weapons isn't cool.
3) They told us we will be able to unlock the R/E/M WS with a 99 weapon. This is bad not because /remcrybaby but because that they think doing that would be relevant for 3/4 or the weapons tells us just how well the understand the game
4) That they seem to have not expected this outcome tells us the disconnect between SE and the player base is even worse than when Tanaka was in charge.
So far the only thing that is still great about SoA for me is that the same solo battle music they have had since launch doesn't still play if you aren't in a party.
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By Leviathan.Eblan 2013-05-01 14:32:02
FFXI A Realm Reborn
Coming soon this Fall
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By Blazed1979 2013-05-01 14:32:07
Leviathan.Kincard said: »Tanaka "Balance!"
Matsui "Imbalance!"*  Epic - "Imbarance!"
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| 04-26-2013 12:52 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team |  |
| | I'd like to deeply apologize for mentioning "Don’t throw away your relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons" during an interview. Relic, mythic, and empyrean (below R/M/E weapons) take a great deal of time and difficulty to obtain, and this expression was extremely lacking in consideration for all of the players who tried so hard to complete them.
What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons, so please have them in your possession, and there was no other meaning intended.
In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.
For the Adoulin end-game content aimed at the top players, where they can obtain high level equipment as well, we will gradually make adjustments to difficulty so that once new end-game content is released you'll be able to obtain these items if you put in a bit of effort.
Also, we will similarly be adjusting content in existing areas, though it may take some time and be a limited time event. | |
| 05-09-2013 10:15 AM | | Slycer | | BG Translator |  |
| | Matsui: Follow up on Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin Weapons
Hello, it's Matsui. Thank you for all of your opinions about Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Coin weapons (hereafter, RMEC). They were very helpful.
After reading all of the varied opinions, we have decided that rather than unlocking the weapon skills specific to each weapon, a reworking of RME weapons would be more effective (for coin weapons, more information will be provided later, but we plan to allow these to unlock the dedicated weapon skills).
I have written and reorganized this in various ways and it has become quite lengthy with examples. After you have gotten a chance to look over it, please let us know if you have any further opinions.
Content Level
We received many questions about the parameters of Adoulin equipment. Because this is an important part in order to be able to understand the reworking of RME so you can provide your opinion, please allow me to repeat the explanation for content level and growth in Seekers of Adoulin.
In Adoulin, the basic design is a repeated play cycle where players become stronger and stronger as they align themselves with equipment obtained from challenging content which, in turn, allows them to take on even more challenging content.
By aligning themselves with this equipment, players will continue to grow even without leveling up.
The content level of Adoulin content is set as follows:
[[Info below is much better formatted in a table on the original post.]]
20: Delve (Boss Monsters) (Current)
17: Wildskeeper Reive (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
14: Delve NMs (Tier 2) (Current)
13: Skirmish (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
11: Delve NMs (Tier 1) (Current)
6-9: Colonization / Lair Reives (New Additions) (Next Version Update)
7: Wildskeeper Reive (Current)
6: Skirmish (Current)
1-5: Colonization/Lair Reives (Current)
The strength of the equipment that can be obtained, rather than the level of the equipment, will be dependent on the content level. The equipment to be added later in Adoulin will of course be equippable at level 99, but the level of the equipment parameters would be even higher to match the content level (for example, similar to what level 110 or 120 equipment might look like).
While the strength of the monsters which appear is determined to match the content level, in order to fill out the hierarchy between content to some extent, we have designed monsters of variable strength. The parameters of the equipment that can be obtained in Adoulin is set by determining the parameters that would be necessary to compete with those monsters.
The level of current and planned content is set to minimize the gaps between content level, but we may also insert additional intermediate content if the jump between levels remains too high.
In some cases, content variations will cause content to cover multiple levels. We also plan to enhance the amount of content available horizontally at individual levels, rather than just vertically over the content level range.
The content in the next version update will be added with this in mind.
Referencing the "next version update" items above, it will be possible to add new colonization and lair reive equipment purchasable for Bayld in the level 6~9 range (which currently includes Skirmish and Wildskeeper Reives). In addition, we will be inserting new content at levels 13 and 17.
Also, one part of smoothing out the content level will be adjusted in a maintenance to be carried out of the end of this week: we will be adding a fixed probability to obtain the items needed to enter Skirmishes (Simulacrum Segments) from Lair and Colonization Reives. (This adjustment is unrelated to the current rules associated with coalition assignments, gathering, and Soul Pyres.)
By making this adjustment, the assumed progression will be:
1. First, take on lair and colonization reives.
2. As a result of those battles, obtain Simulacrum Segments.
3. Combine the segments in order to enter Skirmishes.
Reworking RMEC
Please excuse my lengthy explanation above. I'll now return to the topic at hand.
First off, since it is necessary for the development staff to further consider the implementation, we cannot guarantee the timeframe as far as whether it will be included in the next version update.
Regarding the types of parameters that would be reworked, special abilities such as Aftermath and Afterglow will remain, while parameters such as the DMG rating, attack, and accuracy will be set to match the content level post-rework.
Since the parameters will be reworked to become aligned with high content difficulty, we do not intend to rework it in small intervals such as with the previous method of Trial of the Magians.
Prior to now, RME were considered the strongest weapons, so I think there will need to be some change to this viewpoint. For those who have RME, you may not require the other weapons, but there now be a choice among other comparable weapons.
If you are worried about how these weapons will be able to be used, for example, against Delve boss monsters, here are some parameters which we are looking at for the reworking. This is just for RME one-handed swords as an example:
Excalibur
DMG:73 Delay:233 Attack+40
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
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DMG:121 Delay:233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20
"Knights of Round"
Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
Burtgang
DMG:73 Delay:264 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
to
DMG:131 Delay:264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18
Physical damage taken-18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage
"Atonement"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. attacks twice or thrice
Almace
DMG:70 Delay:224 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
to
DMG:114 Delay:224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20
"Chant du Cygne"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Since coin weapons were originally just intended to be used for Empyrean weapon skills, based on the concept, I believe that instead of reworking them, they can be used to open the dedicated weapon skills (with certain level and job restrictions). We are currently considering the adjustment procedures necessary for this..
In conclusion
I've gone on for a while, so considering the reworking for level 99 Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons as well as the unlocking of dedicated weapon skills via Coin weapons, please let us know your opinions. We will read through your thoughts one by one to make sure we understand your point of view.
Note that this is a large departure from the original plan. Considering the feasibility of scheduling this change, the development may take some time.
I apologize for keeping you waiting on my response.
Thanks in advance!
Translated by: Slycer | |
| 05-09-2013 2:19 PM | | Akihiko Matsui | | Dev Team | |
| | Follow-up: Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Walk of Echoes Weapons
Matsui here.
Thank you all so much for the feedback on relic, mythic, empyrean, and Walk of Echoes weapons. It has helped out tremendously.
After reading over all of your feedback, instead of continuing the growth of these weapons by unlocking the weapon skills that are tied to each of the weapons, I feel it would be better to perform a revamp on RME weapons. (Regarding Walk of Echoes weapons, I will talk about this below, but they will be involved with unlocking the specialized weapon skills.)
I've been reworking a lot, and writing it all up, but it seems the post turned out rather lengthy, so once you have been able to read through it all and digest it we'd love to hear your feedback.
Content Level
We've received a lot of questions about the stats on Adoulin equipment, and I'd like to once again explain about growth and content levels in Seekers of Adoulin as this is a critical aspect in order to receive feedback on the revamps for RME weapons.
The content in Adoulin has been designed with a repeating play-cycle where you challenge content that you are able to at that moment in time, gather equipment, become stronger, and then take on higher tier content which will allow you to gather even stronger equipment.
It's through the procurement of equipment that will allow players to grow and level up.
We've established content levels for Adoulin content as a means to objectively display difficulty benchmarks. The below is a concrete illustration of these content levels.
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Equipment strength is dependent on the level of the content you need to challenge in order to obtain the equipment, not the level in which it can be equipped. With the gear that is released in Adoulin from here on out, they can be equipped at level 99; however, instead of considering these to be level 99 pieces of equipment, it would be better for you to think of their level in terms of the content level (for example, level 110 or level 120).
The strength of the monsters that will be introduced are matched to that of the content level, but since there is somewhat of a solidified hierarchy between content, it's been setup so that the strength can be felt with even one level difference in content level. Oppositely, the parameters on Adoulin equipment have been calculated and set in order to deal with these monsters.
Fundamentally we will be making it so that the content level for content to come in the future continues to become higher, but there may be cases where we fill in areas where there is a large jump in content level as needed.
Also, in order to make it so there are various types of content sprawled across a single content level, we are supplementing it with content variations. We've also designed plans to enable resting periods where we will expand laterally instead of vertically, because players may get burnt out going full steam ahead.
In the next version update we will be adding content focusing on filling in the gaps as well as supplementing with content variation.
In the above chart, please look at the “Next version update (currently adjusting)” column. For content levels 6-9 (Skirmish/Wildskeeper Reives), we will be adding equipment appropriate for these content levels that can be exchanged for Bayld along with new Colonization and Lair Reives. Additionally, we will be filling in content for levels 13 and 17.
For those players who are already able to take on Skirmish, Wildskeeper Reives, and Delve at this point in time, it will not be absolutely necessary to challenge this content, but we will be making the above adjustments in case you want to increase your success rate, or are feeling that the current situation is still a bit tough.
Also, as a plan to resolve the issue where Skirmish is not really connecting the content as was planned, we will be undergoing maintenance at the end of this week and making it so statue segments can be obtained from Colonization and Lair Reives at a set rate. (These adjustments are separate from the rules associated with obtaining these items via Coalition Assignments, HELM, and Soul Pyres.)
By performing these adjustments we envision the below flow:
Challenge Colonization and Lair Reives
Obtain statue segments by participating in these reives
Challenge Skirmish with the parts you have obtained
Weapon Revamps
Sorry, I got off track for a bit, but now I'd like to return to the topic at hand.
To start off, I still need to discuss the implementation period with the rest of the development team, so it will be a bit difficult to address this immediately in the next version update, and we cannot make any promises as to when this will take place.
In regards to the kind of stats that will be added when we revamp these weapons, fundamentally the afterglow and aftermath effects as well as the other special stats will carry over and we'll be setting damage values, attack, and accuracy stats to coincide with the content level.
While the stats will be quite strong, we do not plan on making it possible to continuously enhance them in short intervals like the original method of enhancing via Trial of the Magians.
However, RME weapons have been considered the ultimate weapons up until this point in time, but I feel that this needs to change a bit.
I would like to make a shift so that instead of having it so that other weapons aren't necessary if you have RME weapons, you have a choice. If you are happy with RME, then you can use RME, and for those who want other weapons you can use other weapons.
With that said, there may be players who are worried if these weapons will eventually become unusable, but to give an example we had the lead make some calculations for the stats needed to combat the Delve boss monsters, and the below is what the RME swords would look like:
Excalibur
DMG: 73 Delay: 233 Attack+40 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP |
Burtgang
DMG: 73 Delay: 264 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
DMG: 131 Delay: 264 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 Enmity+18 Physical damage taken -18% Reduces Enmity decrease when taking damage. "Atonement" Aftermath: Increases Acc./Atk./Occ. Attacks twice or thrice |
Almace
DMG: 70 Delay: 224 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage |
In regards to Walk of Echoes weapons, these were implemented with the concept of allowing players to use the specialized empyrean weapon skills, so instead of revamping them we felt it more appropriate to have them serve to unlock the weapons skills (planning to have restrictions based on jobs and level). Also, we are looking into adjustments for the method to create Walk of Echoes weapons.
In conclusion…
Apologies that this post is so long, but based on all of the above we would love to hear your feedback on the revamps to level 99 RME weapons and unlocking weapon skills with Walk of Echoes weapons.
I will be sure to read over each and every comment you all post.
My thoughts and ideas have completely turned around the plans that were originally drawn up, and I had to sit and really discuss the idea with the rest of the development team, including the possibilities of making this happen.
I apologize that this response was late and that I made you all wait.
Thank you all very much. | |
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