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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-01 12:16:08
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I'm thinking SE is simply being stubborn, we suggested new jobs get relics, they said no and gave reasons that didn't make any sense especially now, they are going through this new stuff against most of the playerbase's wishes, wants, etc. they may not change anything, may not give in just because we'd be getting our way. Unfortunately, many will quit due to their stubbornness, eventually there won't be enough subscribers to fund the servers and FFXI will be shut down over someone being stubborn.

Take off your tinfoil hats, this isn't the end of FFXI, but it is a contribution to it.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-05-01 12:16:56
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me, everytime I read "DP" in this thread:

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By Otomis 2013-05-01 12:18:51
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
I honestly think what they've done is smart. A lot of people came back just because of Adoulin, and if RME were the top weapons, they'd just stare at the huge line of *** they'd have to go through just to be relevant and realize they don't want to play a game like that. They can rope these players into staying for a while longer instead of feeling completely hopeless and quitting after the first month.

Then you've got the hardcore players who maximize their awesomeness every step of the way and have been there for the longest time. These people will likely grudgingly get the best weapons again, griping all the way. But SE is banking on the fact that these hardcore players have invested so much time already that they're not just going to simply up and leave the game. Also, this group of players is a minority when it comes to this game, so losing a few isn't going to be a huge deal to them.

So while it may suck for the people who have spent the most time on the game, I think it was a great business decision.

A large majority of those players have multiple accounts so your statement isn't valid.

Arziet + Otomis. yes most long term players I know have 2 accounts. Or more some times.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 12:19:27
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Even some of the most casual of casual players I know try to work towards a REM slowly so its not like this is only an issue for obsessed poopsocking players or whatever

I doubt any of those people are any more pleased that their halfway done weapon is/will be crap
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By Quiznor 2013-05-01 12:20:06
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Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
me, everytime I read "DP" in this thread:


I think SE knew that when they made the model for it. All the girls (and sylow yesterday) go wild for the huge cannon that is the DP~
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2013-05-01 12:23:03
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Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway instead of just throwing their arms up in the air and saying they're equal to the plebes so there's no point.
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By Quiznor 2013-05-01 12:24:25
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway and then going back to afk'ing in jeuno complaining there's nothing to do
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-05-01 12:24:34
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Even some of the most casual of casual players I know try to work towards a REM slowly so its not like this is only an issue for obsessed poopsocking players or whatever

I doubt any of those people are any more pleased that their halfway done weapon is/will be crap

I'm nearly done with stage 2 of Kikoku and I'm quite bothered, and I've only dropped about 12 million so far in currency on it. I can't imagine how someone near the end of stage 3 or 4 would feel.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-01 12:25:59
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Some may quit. And this will cause their friends to quit too cause they don't feel like playing alone. And then the friends of the friends will quit. Really, even if in the big scheme of things the amount of quitters isn't huge, it would still cause to a quit-chain.

And then half of each server will be banned for fishing by the looks of it. So there goes another part. And their friends.

/doomsayer.
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By Phoenix.Ruball 2013-05-01 12:27:03
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if they add more trials to the relics, I think the marrow market would be flooded for people getting past afterglow point. it has already dropped quite a bit in price as is. now if u could augment the relic with synergy that could be interesting.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2013-05-01 12:28:50
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Even some of the most casual of casual players I know try to work towards a REM slowly so its not like this is only an issue for obsessed poopsocking players or whatever

I doubt any of those people are any more pleased that their halfway done weapon is/will be crap

And now they'll just slowly work towards a different weapon. Nearly every other gear slot worked the exact same way. "Oh, I slowly got to Nyzul Isle 75, but now the gear is useless because of X update, guess I'll start working on this other content instead."

And a lot of the mythics were trash anyway, but people still made them for fun.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 12:29:09
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Phoenix.Ruball said: »
if they add more trials to the relics, I think the marrow market would be flooded for people getting past afterglow point. it has already dropped quite a bit in price as is. now if u could augment the relic with synergy that could be interesting.

it'll be like honor synergy except you'll be using marrows/scoria/riftx for it. I love it.
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-01 12:29:12
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway instead of just throwing their arms up in the air and saying they're equal to the plebes so there's no point.

I think you touched on something important here, people should be pissed if some dofus who runs around using no marcos in full aurore on thier mnk has the same weapon as Auster or one of the other good mnks, that worked forever to get spharai 99 or vere 99..

wtf was the point of the last 11 years then???

we should've been playing WoW with the other dipshits who couldn't hack ffxi all those years???

interesting thoughts.

*edit*

I guess that first thing wasn't a question
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By Quiznor 2013-05-01 12:29:17
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Phoenix.Ruball said: »
if they add more trials to the relics, I think the marrow market would be flooded for people getting past afterglow point. it has already dropped quite a bit in price as is. now if u could augment the relic with synergy that could be interesting.

Get out
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By Cerberus.Keyoku 2013-05-01 12:30:38
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I'd assume if they did go with augments, it wouldn't be synergy, but Inventor's Coalition related. Also, if this is all about everyone getting Adouling and living in Delve / off of Delve NMs, it would okay if it was somethign dumb like 50k plasm (w/e they're called) for every 10 base dmg till E R M base dmg doubled or w/e it would take to make them edge up the new god tier weapons.

Edit: I'm not supporting a grind trial like that, but at least it wouldn't obsolete the old weapons + get everyone to Adoulin which is clearly what SE wants.
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By Asura.Abysswalker 2013-05-01 12:32:28
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway instead of just throwing their arms up in the air and saying they're equal to the plebes so there's no point.

I think you touched on something important here, people should be pissed if some dofus who runs around using no marcos in full aurore on thier mnk has the same weapon as Auster or one of the other good mnks, that worked forever to get spharai 99 or vere 99???

wtf was the point of the last 11 years then???

we should've been playing WoW with the other dipshits who couldn't hack ffxi all those years???

interesting thoughts.
Some people play WoW and XI at the same time. Xi isn't that hard to "hack" it on. Hating a game is cool. Just not playing it clearly isn't enough. Funny though, WoW players don't give a ***about XI or even mention it. Not sure why XI players hate on it so much.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2013-05-01 12:33:05
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway instead of just throwing their arms up in the air and saying they're equal to the plebes so there's no point.

I think you touched on something important here, people should be pissed if some dofus who runs around using no marcos in full aurore on thier mnk has the same weapon as Auster or one of the other good mnks, that worked forever to get spharai 99 or vere 99???

wtf was the point of the last 11 years then???

we should've been playing WoW with the other dipshits who couldn't hack ffxi all those years???

interesting thoughts.

But remember, the good player will still be better since they'll be using macros/spellcast. I just think it shifts the power of a character from "tedious work and months invested" to "actual skill and knowledge with moderate work".
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-05-01 12:33:18
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Phoenix.Ruball said: »
if they add more trials to the relics, I think the marrow market would be flooded for people getting past afterglow point. it has already dropped quite a bit in price as is. now if u could augment the relic with synergy that could be interesting.

Blasphemy!

Shun the blasphemer!
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 12:35:47
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
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Damn this thread got emo.
FFXI devs are obviously a bunch of casual scrubs that have never made an RME in their life or they would have had a clue how many in-progress weapons exist and how much despair theyve created in their playerbase.
I still remember when Matsui said in one of his first posts that his highest level was 40 or so.
That is painfully obvious by him thinking unlocking the WS is relevant for 3/4 of them XD
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By Siren.Mosin 2013-05-01 12:36:37
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »
Maybe if ALL of them left, but they're not going to lose many of those types of players anyway. Most of the hardcores will just go out and get the best gear asap anyway instead of just throwing their arms up in the air and saying they're equal to the plebes so there's no point.
I think you touched on something important here, people should be pissed if some dofus who runs around using no marcos in full aurore on thier mnk has the same weapon as Auster or one of the other good mnks, that worked forever to get spharai 99 or vere 99??? wtf was the point of the last 11 years then??? we should've been playing WoW with the other dipshits who couldn't hack ffxi all those years??? interesting thoughts.
But remember, the good player will still be better since they'll be using macros/spellcast. I just think it shifts the power of a character from "tedious work and months invested" to "actual skill and knowledge with moderate work".

I agree.

it really just blows for any rube (myself included) that did a R/M/E to 99. I was suffering through all that dyna under the false promise that I'd be set on knuckles for the foresee-able future
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By Phoenix.Ruball 2013-05-01 12:39:36
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that's funny people who want to copy my post don't have relics. I am stuned...
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By Fenrir.Mefuki 2013-05-01 12:42:34
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http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/115865-Delve?p=5700640&viewfull=1#post5700640

Huh...
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By Quiznor 2013-05-01 12:43:09
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The best just got better~
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-01 12:43:16
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If all this is about casual/new players all SE needs to do is make REMs top of the pile but only by a small amount. Though most of the hype is actually from the player base while only a small amount of it is the weapon itself. Aegis, Mandau, Apoc, Koga, Ryunohige, Kenkonken, Ukon, emp harp and arma are the ones that spring to mind. Ive done resolutions a lot higher than some bandwagnaroks with hoarfrost(hatzoaar now) and catas/entropy that are higher.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-01 12:50:29
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Phoenix.Ruball said: »
that's funny people who want to copy my post don't have relics. I am stuned...

im interested in knowing which form of synergy you like the most

the one where you kill level 5 nms for points and amorph evasion+, the one where you have a 1% chance of getting a perfect augment, or the one that's consistent and might as well just be a magian trial or something
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2013-05-01 12:54:10
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How about the one where you fight an nm and the augment is permanent and then you have to get a new r/e/m if you get str -2 on it!
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-05-01 12:59:08
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Matsui and Co. want to (and did) hit the reset button on this game's gear progression. RME (all Tanaka ideas) don't fit into that concept, at least not right now.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 13:00:52
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Matsui and Co. want to (and did) hit the reset button on this game's gear progression. RME (all Tanaka ideas) don't fit into that concept, at least not right now.

Resetting the treadmill won't matter a lot if there isn't anyone left to run on it, though.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-01 13:07:41
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
That dagger would need crazy augments to top this.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/20636/izhiikoh

Sure, but it's much, much easier to get.
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