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 Bahamut.Kiralai
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-30 23:18:35
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Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I like FFXI because I don't feel like if I don't log on every single day I'll be so far behind that I may as well not even play anymore. They're ruining that.

Disclaimer: Devil's advocate, etc.

If the only heinous/unforgivable jump exists in weapons, I think it's entirely possible that you don't have to log on every single day, right? Is it possible that the DMG jumps are supposed to function similarly to level increases, and the rest of the gear upgrades are going to follow a similar path to what they used to? I mean, if the weapons are the only strange outlier, it may not be that difficult to "catch up" if you don't log on for awhile, especially if you're able to get by with a weapon off the AH, with the rest of your gear still being reasonably valid because the gear increases weren't like the weapon increases. SE isn't exactly known for adding things in a timely manner, so I doubt I could hit you with the wham-bam that frequently. Or is it possible that the massive jump is a one-time thing and they plan on letting it progress more slowly thereafter? (Admittedly the jump would seem even more out-of-nowhere in that case.) Not really arguing/debating, more or less just wondering if anyone perceives it as a possibility.

I remember when SE first announced Mythics back in the day, there was a huge explosion of people thinking they were finally releasing "obtainable relics," sort of like what level 85 Empyreans were. We all know how that turned out though, lol.
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-04-30 23:27:34
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Bahamut.Kiralai said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I like FFXI because I don't feel like if I don't log on every single day I'll be so far behind that I may as well not even play anymore. They're ruining that.

Disclaimer: Devil's advocate, etc.

If the only heinous/unforgivable jump exists in weapons, I think it's entirely possible that you don't have to log on every single day, right? Is it possible that the DMG jumps are supposed to function similarly to level increases, and the rest of the gear upgrades are going to follow a similar path to what they used to? I mean, if the weapons are the only strange outlier, it may not be that difficult to "catch up" if you don't log on for awhile, especially if you're able to get by with a weapon off the AH, with the rest of your gear still being reasonably valid because the gear increases weren't like the weapon increases. Or is it possible that the massive jump is a one-time thing and they plan on letting it progress more slowly thereafter? (Admittedly the jump would seem even more out-of-nowhere in that case.) Not really arguing/debating, more or less just wondering if anyone perceives it as a possibility.

I could see that. I don't particularly find it engaging, though. There's something "special" about weapons, you know. I don't know that I want my weapon to just be something I got off the AH (that has a re-used model), which is where I'm at since I don't have the sort of LS to do Delves reliably. I'd much rather be proud of something I put a lot of effort to (and was able to do with small groups that suited my playstyle and time better). Even if that weapon is twice the damage of my Kannagi (and it's more than that, since I'm far from 99 at this point), it's just sort of disheartening to think about using one, for me.

I'm weird and honestly thinking about buying them to make it easier to do Apademak, once they're available on my server, lol.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-30 23:32:36
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All I want is them to raise the rate on skirmish items so people can do skirmish with some frequency. That allows people to get their feet in the door with awesome weaps on the path to Delve tier rewards.

No reason teh event should be so exclusive when it has an augmenting system.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-30 23:33:39
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Delve seems pretty casual friendly so far. Once you kill the NM, you can farm the plasm solo if you wanted. Assuming they don't completely outdate this current update next month like they did with poor, poor Skirmish, I don't see why one would have to feel so pressured.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-30 23:34:41
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The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-30 23:35:53
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh
Indeed. That's what confused the *** out of me on Monday.
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-30 23:37:53
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh

Yeah, I think it's resulted in one group of people thinking SE is saying "this is the future of our event planning" and another group thinking SE is saying "you need R/M/E-grade weapons to be able to take your first step into this expansion, here are some R/M/E-grade weapons." Sort of. The former group is admittedly far larger.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-30 23:38:19
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Delve is a very cool event!

But like

Will there be any point when they relase "Kill" next month or when we're doing "Smash" in Yorcia Weald in October?
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-30 23:39:48
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Delve is a very cool event!

But like

Will there be any point when they relase "Kill" next month or when we're doing "Smash" in Yorcia Weald in October?

You're forgetting Shazam!
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-04-30 23:42:40
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Bahamut.Kiralai said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh

Yeah, I think it's resulted in one group of people thinking SE is saying "this is the future of our event planning" and another group thinking SE is saying "you need R/M/E-grade weapons to be able to take your first step into this expansion, here are some R/M/E-grade weapons." Sort of. The former group is admittedly far larger.

If they were REM grade, I'd agree with the latter, but they're far beyond it. If they had put out weapons that were, say, the same DPS as REM in terms of damage/delay but lacked the WS/Aftermath, I don't know that anyone would have been bothered at all.

In fact, part of me wonders why they didn't just do that in the first place. It's certainly going to make the AH look less ridiculous, with a 124 DMG level 99 katana sitting right next to one with 53 damage. But weird little things like that always ruffle my feathers.
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By Bahamut.Kiralai 2013-04-30 23:48:49
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Ragnarok.Alahra said: »
Bahamut.Kiralai said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh

Yeah, I think it's resulted in one group of people thinking SE is saying "this is the future of our event planning" and another group thinking SE is saying "you need R/M/E-grade weapons to be able to take your first step into this expansion, here are some R/M/E-grade weapons." Sort of. The former group is admittedly far larger.

If they were REM grade, I'd agree with the latter, but they're far beyond it. If they had put out weapons that were, say, the same DPS as REM in terms of damage/delay but lacked the WS/Aftermath, I don't know that anyone would have been bothered at all.

In fact, part of me wonders why they didn't just do that in the first place. It's certainly going to make the AH look less ridiculous, with a 124 DMG level 99 katana sitting right next to one with 53 damage. But weird little things like that always ruffle my feathers.

Oh no, when I said R/E/M-grade I was referring to the Skirmish weapons (or whatever the Tlapoalololol hand-to-hand weapons and such were), not the new ones that were just released.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2013-04-30 23:49:38
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The "NQ" weapon stats should have been as high as they went. I would have been fine with that even though the "NQ" weapons are still ridiculously strong.
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-04-30 23:57:24
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Bahamut.Kiralai said: »
Ragnarok.Alahra said: »
Bahamut.Kiralai said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh

Yeah, I think it's resulted in one group of people thinking SE is saying "this is the future of our event planning" and another group thinking SE is saying "you need R/M/E-grade weapons to be able to take your first step into this expansion, here are some R/M/E-grade weapons." Sort of. The former group is admittedly far larger.

If they were REM grade, I'd agree with the latter, but they're far beyond it. If they had put out weapons that were, say, the same DPS as REM in terms of damage/delay but lacked the WS/Aftermath, I don't know that anyone would have been bothered at all.

In fact, part of me wonders why they didn't just do that in the first place. It's certainly going to make the AH look less ridiculous, with a 124 DMG level 99 katana sitting right next to one with 53 damage. But weird little things like that always ruffle my feathers.

Oh no, when I said R/E/M-grade I was referring to the Skirmish weapons (or whatever the Tlapoalololol hand-to-hand weapons and such were), not the new ones that were just released.

Oh, never mind then! I thought the Skirmish weapons were pretty well balanced overall.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-01 01:29:44
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Just quick draw kited raged turtle in Morimar to death over a 3 hour period
(don't ask)

got access to

30000 plasm

Bloodbath Axe (D231 Delay 504 Acc+18 DA+2%)
Surefire Arquebus (Gun) (D96 Delay600 RA+18 RAtk+10 Enm-4)
Kiji (katana) D87 Delay 190 Acc+16 Eva+13
Halachuinic Sword (sword) D104 Delay 228 Acc+16 Attack+15
Soothsayer Staff (staff) D145 Delay 366 MP+50 INT+10 Macc+15 MAB+52

10000 plasm

Honed Tathlum (15 acc ammo)
and Refraction Cape (Mage stuff - no one cares)


RIP all events - there is no reason to do anything but Delve!
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By Fenrir.Mesic 2013-05-01 01:33:24
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I hope all TOM receive an update.

My WOE weapon and trial daggers are crying.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-01 01:35:16
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Just quick draw kited raged turtle in Morimar to death over a 3 hour period
(don't ask)
But these kinds of stories are always the most interesting!
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-01 01:37:29
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Just quick draw kited raged turtle in Morimar to death over a 3 hour period
(don't ask)
But these kinds of stories are always the most interesting!

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-05-01 01:40:11
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Turtle looks pissed.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-01 01:54:17
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He saw the patch notes. Cancelled his FFXI sub.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2013-05-01 01:59:56
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Farmed 5.1k plasma just from killing regular mobs over a 2-hour period and using the shards. These weapons are stupid easy to get.
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By Otomis 2013-05-01 03:01:49
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
The swift death of Skirmish is really the real source of most of the uncertainty tbh

I really hope this game does not steer even closer to an every 3-6 month gear mill. At that point I will just stop playing. This is the only MMO I have ever really played. Growing up with DND using a notebook to my very first FF on Nintendo, I fell in love with FF. But the very first and near only MMO I have ever touched will have to be laid to rest along with anything else. I am not fond of the ADHD style games are headed into, taking out strat and longevity for turn and burn profits.
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-01 03:06:48
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Just quick draw kited raged turtle in Morimar to death over a 3 hour period
(don't ask)

got access to

30000 plasm

Bloodbath Axe (D231 Delay 504 Acc+18 DA+2%)
Surefire Arquebus (Gun) (D96 Delay600 RA+18 RAtk+10 Enm-4)
Kiji (katana) D87 Delay 190 Acc+16 Eva+13
Halachuinic Sword (sword) D104 Delay 228 Acc+16 Attack+15
Soothsayer Staff (staff) D145 Delay 366 MP+50 INT+10 Macc+15 MAB+52

10000 plasm

Honed Tathlum (15 acc ammo)
and Refraction Cape (Mage stuff - no one cares)


RIP all events - there is no reason to do anything but Delve!
oh! I want to do Delve even more now :<

Also: apparently you can get those points without eever even doing Delve.
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By Cerberus.Diabolique 2013-05-01 03:13:29
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Though it is only 10k Plasma whatevers, Honed Tathlum seems really out of place compared to everything else on that list. Just an Ammo, but still, with 104 damage swords, it could have had like 20-30 accuracy on it.
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By Asura.Myrrh 2013-05-01 03:18:46
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It's true isn't it?

All trolling aside, the fact that you don't even need to do Delve, and you can get these items?

There is no reason to do anything else in the game.

Bandwagon quit. Cancelling my sub.
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-01 03:21:11
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You need to do a few of the NMs at least once for the KI that lets you buy the items. Some info is up on the BG wiki.

Your text to link here...
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By Phoenix.Rhealana 2013-05-01 03:22:57
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You need to beat a tier IV (or V) field NM in each of the 3 areas before you gain access to even buy the weapons.

Then you can just solo farm/AH the plasm.
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-01 03:25:42
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I meant the points :< Not buy the items themselves.... :< Dont leave, we love you ;A;
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By Tylaar 2013-05-01 03:28:13
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Asura.Myrrh said: »
It's true isn't it?
All trolling aside, the fact that you don't even need to do Delve, and you can get these items?

I read that its like Meebles rewards, ie. you have to beat the NMs to be able to buy the items from each 'tier'. If that's the case, you can get the plasm from anywhere, but can't buy anything without doing Delve.
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By Bismarck.Chaosprime 2013-05-01 03:31:18
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Tylaar said: »
Asura.Myrrh said: »
It's true isn't it?
All trolling aside, the fact that you don't even need to do Delve, and you can get these items?

I read that its like Meebles rewards, ie. you have to beat the NMs to be able to buy the items from each 'tier'. If that's the case, you can get the plasm from anywhere, but can't buy anything without doing Delve.

Saying that you only ever need to bet them once though right? Which means this event will die faster than Skirmish.....
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By Enuyasha 2013-05-01 03:33:05
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Bismarck.Chaosprime said: »
Tylaar said: »
Asura.Myrrh said: »
It's true isn't it?
All trolling aside, the fact that you don't even need to do Delve, and you can get these items?

I read that its like Meebles rewards, ie. you have to beat the NMs to be able to buy the items from each 'tier'. If that's the case, you can get the plasm from anywhere, but can't buy anything without doing Delve.

Saying that you only ever need to bet them once though right? Which means this event will die faster than Skirmish.....
i hear the T2's are HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. 100 damage melee hits with 99 weapons :< Granted...its hearsays and eyeballs, but thats still scary :<
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