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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-30 15:07:26
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Did people forget that SE isn't forcing you to play this game?
If this new model really does trash the game, I'm way too curious to not experience it's death firsthand. I plan on riding this hot mess to the grisly end!

(Or until 14 comes out, whichever comes first)
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By Fenrir.Hanabira 2013-04-30 15:09:16
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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the dirty little secret of world of warcraft Every single MMORPG that gets new content is that you never actually get any stronger

the gear you get makes the numbers that pop up on your screen a little bigger, but once you get a bunch of them and start seeing a meaningful difference, you move on to the next tier, with bosses that aren't actually any stronger or more difficult but have juuuuuust enough more health and damage output to put you back where you were at the start of the previous tier

but then you go back to older content (because people do old content in other games) and you destroy it.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-04-30 15:09:35
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Two solid page openers in a row.

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By Asura.Ina 2013-04-30 15:11:33
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Did people forget that SE isn't forcing you to play this game?
We arn't forcing them to care about or opinions either, they can do what they want with what we say and will have to live with the outcome same as we have to live with what they do, either by keeping playing or stopping.

An interesting note relevant to this concept is that the success rate of restaurants is higher in the US than Canada. The reason? Canadian's are less likely to complain. instead they are more likely to just leave unhappy and not come back and so the restaurant keeps thinking everything is fine until their business dwindles and they can't pinpoint the problem because not enough people tell them their issues.

While MMOs are a different ball park the concept is the same, if people just drop out and say nothing it makes it much more difficult for the company to find what is working and what is not.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-30 15:11:56
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Again, except FFXI
You should have quit when they added Sky, Dynamis, Relics, Limbus, Salvage, Nyzul, Einherjar, Mythics, WoE, Abyssea, Empy, VW, Neo-Nyzul, Neo-Salvage, Neo-Limbus, Skirmish Oh what is that? So it's the first time they outdate content with new content ...?

yes, this is actually the first time they have outdated content with new content

this is the first time ffxi said YOU MUST BE THIS TALL TO RIDE THE _______, which is why i stand by my assessment of these weapons as a limit break rather than a reward (which sucks)


the RME ONRY of the past two years was 100% players
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-04-30 15:11:56
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Again, except FFXI

You should have quit when they added Sky, Dynamis, Relics, Limbus, Salvage, Nyzul, Einherjar, Mythics, WoE, Abyssea, Empy, VW, Neo-Nyzul, Neo-Salvage, Neo-Limbus, Skirmish

Oh what is that? So it's the first time they outdate content with new content ...?
the scale is a lot different than any past change

you could do legion in 75 gear

assuming they make use of the def patch and the drastically increased def on their new gear, it'll be pretty much impossible to progress without the new gear

that's a very different model
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-04-30 15:12:21
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Again, except FFXI

You should have quit when they added Sky, Dynamis, Relics, Limbus, Salvage, Nyzul, Einherjar, Mythics, WoE, Abyssea, Empy, VW, Neo-Nyzul, Neo-Salvage, Neo-Limbus, Skirmish

Oh what is that? So it's the first time they outdate content with new content ...?

You're being dishonest here. No previous update has completely invalidated the entire base of weapons like this one. Not even Abyssea was this disruptive, in terms of the scale of the numbers involved.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-30 15:12:22
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Why have we not heard any comments from Matsui yet?

Golden week

So, do they not work at all? Do they not see the uproar? Will they come in next Monday to see that people are pissed?
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-04-30 15:14:25
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Is this sort of like a governmental administration releasing certain announcements on the weekend when no one is around to care?
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By Odin.Rikiyame 2013-04-30 15:15:26
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Also, doesn't Golden Week have a spike in suicide rates?
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-04-30 15:16:19
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Asura.Ina said: »
An interesting note relevant to this concept is that the success rate of restaurants is higher in the US than Canada. The reason? Canadian's are less likely to complain. instead they are more likely to just leave unhappy and not come back and so the restaurant keeps thinking everything is fine until their business dwindles and they can't pinpoint the problem because not enough people tell them their issues.

Wildly off-topic, but I'm glad to see we finally found a useful purpose for our attitudes. Now, if we can convert not being able to do basic math into a clean-burning fuel, the world is ours.

U.S.A! U.S.A!
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-30 15:17:01
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Anyone able to read Japanese able to look at the OF JP Dev Tracker feed? Mocchi has posted, but I can't read to see if he has said anything about this uproar.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-30 15:18:38
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SLYCER QUIT YOUR JOB IMMEDIATELY
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-30 15:24:16
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Lol, Other than Slycer.
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By skyehope928 2013-04-30 15:25:28
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Well if u dont have any rem then be happy se has finally awarded you noobs
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By Valefor.Nattack 2013-04-30 15:26:03
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Asura.Ina said: »
An interesting note relevant to this concept is that the success rate of restaurants is higher in the US than Canada. The reason? Canadian's are less likely to complain. instead they are more likely to just leave unhappy and not come back and so the restaurant keeps thinking everything is fine until their business dwindles and they can't pinpoint the problem because not enough people tell them their issues.
As a Canadian whos worked in many restaurants, I'd like to know where you get that information from. I certainly haven't seen it.
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-04-30 15:28:40
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skyehope928 said: »
Well if u dont have any rem then welcome back, since you've been gone for like, three years.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2013-04-30 15:28:56
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I see what you are saying, but people will complain yet still play the game that has so many major flaws (as they say). It's like Canadians constantly going to a restaurant they know they don't like and complain about it.

It is impossible to please everyone, and there are always people that will say they are quiting the game blah blah blah. But really, what will SE have to do to the game to get most of the current population to quit the game?
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By skyehope928 2013-04-30 15:31:22
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Yes thats what I ment to say
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-04-30 15:33:57
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Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Anyone able to read Japanese able to look at the OF JP Dev Tracker feed? Mocchi has posted, but I can't read to see if he has said anything about this uproar.

Google Translate tells me that it is about some kind of JP contest involving making FFXI-themed lunchboxes. So no, he didn't.
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-04-30 15:34:01
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No one even knows the game plan. It's all just wild speculation at this point.

It's not really wild when Matsui said he envisioned doing one form of content to get gear for the next form of content to get gear for the next form of content, etc. It's a basic gear treadmill, which hasn't precisely been the way XI's worked up until now. It's been less linear than that.
So basically they've decided to sacrifice one of FFXI's greatest strengths in order to...do what exactly?

I wish I knew. It's sad, really. Coming back to this game was incredibly refreshing after playing WoW for several years. Now, it seems like they're hellbent on giving XI a similar model and I can't see it holding my interest in the long run.
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By Phoenix.Kojo 2013-04-30 15:35:00
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Phoenix.Kojo said: »
Anyone able to read Japanese able to look at the OF JP Dev Tracker feed? Mocchi has posted, but I can't read to see if he has said anything about this uproar.

Google Translate tells me that it is about some kind of JP contest involving making FFXI-themed lunchboxes. So no, he didn't.

Figures.. lol
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-04-30 15:35:39
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I see what you are saying, but people will complain yet still play the game that has so many major flaws (as they say). It's like Canadians constantly going to a restaurant they know they don't like and complain about it. It is impossible to please everyone, and there are always people that will say they are quiting the game blah blah blah. But really, what will SE have to do to the game to get most of the current population to quit the game?

because i am capable of weighing the good and the bad to make an informed assessment of whether this is something i want to spend my time with, a skill i had to develop for my fulltime job of being a goddamn adult

ffxi does not have to be completely flawless for me to deem it worth playing, but to think this wouldn't change the calculus is kind of weird, honestly
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By Fenrir.Boomslang 2013-04-30 15:43:50
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Speaking of obsolete content, anyone up for Expeditionary Force, Garrison, or Eco War?
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By Asura.Ina 2013-04-30 15:47:00
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Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
I see what you are saying, but people will complain yet still play the game that has so many major flaws (as they say). It's like Canadians constantly going to a restaurant they know they don't like and complain about it.

It is impossible to please everyone, and there are always people that will say they are quiting the game blah blah blah. But really, what will SE have to do to the game to get most of the current population to quit the game?
Oh you misunderstand they don't keep going, they dwindal off until few enough remain that they aren't making money anymore. If it will hurt the game much? That will be seen over the next month or so.

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Asura.Ina said: »
An interesting note relevant to this concept is that the success rate of restaurants is higher in the US than Canada. The reason? Canadian's are less likely to complain. instead they are more likely to just leave unhappy and not come back and so the restaurant keeps thinking everything is fine until their business dwindles and they can't pinpoint the problem because not enough people tell them their issues.
As a Canadian whos worked in many restaurants, I'd like to know where you get that information from. I certainly haven't seen it.
Multiple chefs, my own experience and it's not exactly a secret trait of people in the US (no offense intended). Canadians complain plenty, more than people think we do, we are just less likely to do it where said complaints can make a difference IE *** to an employee that will just "whatever" it rather than talk to a manager or owner.
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Fenrir.Boomslang said: »
Speaking of obsolete content, anyone up for Expeditionary Force, Garrison, or Eco War?
Totally would be.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-04-30 15:48:25
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Ragnarok.Alahra said: »
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No one even knows the game plan. It's all just wild speculation at this point.

It's not really wild when Matsui said he envisioned doing one form of content to get gear for the next form of content to get gear for the next form of content, etc. It's a basic gear treadmill, which hasn't precisely been the way XI's worked up until now. It's been less linear than that.
So basically they've decided to sacrifice one of FFXI's greatest strengths in order to...do what exactly?

I wish I knew. It's sad, really. Coming back to this game was incredibly refreshing after playing WoW for several years. Now, it seems like they're hellbent on giving XI a similar model and I can't see it holding my interest in the long run.


That's a big chunk of the problem. Because of SE's poor communication skills we don't know what they're trying to do with all this. I guess we're supposed to just trust them, but why should we? What about them makes them trustworthy?

If this were WoW the subject would have been introduced, discussed, dissected, and adjusted before it was ever implemented. SE seemingly just throws ***at the wall to see what sticks.
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By Ragnarok.Alahra 2013-04-30 15:48:59
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Asura.Ina said: »
Fenrir.Boomslang said: »
Speaking of obsolete content, anyone up for Expeditionary Force, Garrison, or Eco War?
Totally would be.

Man, I loved Garrison! One of the level 20 ones was the first time I'd ever seen a mob use Mijin Gakure. Scared us all half to death.
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By kenshynofshiva 2013-04-30 15:49:12
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Awesome job mad derail sons Kudos on that.....
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