Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

That's still bad. With 250+ damage weapons (and these are one of the first waves) any remaining challenge in these events is gone. As boring as dyna was, it then becomes the equivalent of farming tunnel worms in front of bastok. Salvage and Salvage2 lose any semblance of challenge. ADL becomes roflstomp content and VW becomes completely lol.

At that point, it's content that the playerbase is forced to sleepwalk through to get what they need, and that does not a fun game make.

They said our effort "wouldn't go to waste" for REM weapons. That could mean any number of things, including being weaker than new weapons but not by much, or being equal footing, both of which would mean that are still not worth getting and the game's economy is still going to go bonkers. Or it could be that they'll make them the top by a small bit again, but somehow I doubt that'll happen.

the exact phrase was 'wont go to waste', not a strong endorsement, but very up for interpretation

you, a person with no relics(not calling you a casual, illustrating a point), would rather read it as them becoming usable but below other options because you have a better chance of getting the new weapons and then you get to be top tier without having to spend more time farming

a person with a bunch of relics and invested effort would rather read it as them making the weapons comparable or better because they have invested effort in the weapons and SE has never before outdated these weapons over the years

it doesn't really matter what we all say, they'll do what they're gonna do, relics will be good or they won't

either way i'll be getting the new weapons in the meantime

How do you know I have no relics/mythics?

My year out of date profile?

i just assumed based on the fact you do nothing but cry about ffxi in every thread that has any chance to rag on SE

it stands to reason that someone who doesn't enjoy the game wouldn't waste their time with such

At this point, I'm hoping Disney buy Square Enix and take over the FF series.
Mickey Mouse's Cheese Fantasy would be better than this crap.

SE never outdated R/M/Es before?

Now I've heard everything.

I'm pretty sure I only *** about sylph 95% of the time.

Anyways you know what they say about assumptions.

And forgive me but arent half the people in this thread,with all their "time investments directly linked to w/e" bitching about the game/SE too?

The lolz of the last page have worn off though :< off to find something to do!

dat mining is bad, mmm'k

You can call me a whiney ***, or however you wanna say it. Here's how I look at it:

I invested a lot of time into my relics. It wasn't OMG 5 YEARS like some people did but they also didn't fall into my lap. Either of my relics could have been a nice hexed piece, full crafts to 70, better augments on my old cursed gear etc etc etc.

This isn't WOW where you do a dozen raids and you have the *** pauldrons of might already (or whatever you wanna call them today). The time-sink of FFXI kind of necessitates keeping the gear relevant. IF SE decides to completely outclass gear that took the average player 3-6 months (if only counting dyna currency) and my now-a-days casual *** 6-12 each; I will happily be moving on.

It's not butthurt. It's not whining. It's "why invest time in something else for it to just get nerfed". Fool me once etc etc etc. I've been playing for a LONG LONG time and it's about time to move on. This would just be a good reason to. "Hazy outlook on value of time invested" is how I look at it.

Someone suggested this as I think a joke in the update thread but if it happened I wouldn't be too suprised... >.>

If you just realized that things you invest time into this game would become worthless one day then yes, time to pack the bags and move on to those illusory greener pastures. We can tell eachother tales of walking backwards through snowstorms created by Tanakas weather machine for 4% drops off 3-5day spawns.

I dunno how many times SE has to say hold onto those R/M/Es they'll get buffed for people to realize that we're just a phase where those weaps arent the best as it has been many times before (remember when Destroyers were competitive with Spahrai? When Hagun competed close w/Amano? When Rag was lolRag? Yeah)

In time we'll all be AFK in Adoulin complaining theres nothing to do guys, just relax.

Would work for empies, but for relics it would be only a handful...

subtle distinction, you just didnt seem like someone that enjoys the game so much as the forum to me

enjoy your day

poor phrasing on my part, i get lazy about typing when i'm also playing

a better way to put it would be that these weapons have remained on top for the majority of the games duration, and have been updated to maintain that spot

Close != better. At 75 it was not feasible for every player to have a relic. Some of them were not as far ahead of the competition as others, but they were still all 'best'. Rag was lolrag because apocalypse existed, WAR had better weaponskills, and PLD used shields. It was still the best greatsword for DRK.

It's gone beyond that now (not my SS):

Don't know about the next patch, but i think they are likely to make them good based off the rage.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/31961-%E4%B8%83%E6%94%AF%E5%85%AC%E6%AD%A6%E5%99%A8%E3%81%8C%E6%A5%B5%E7%AB%AF%E3%81%AB%E5%BC%B7%E3%81%84%E4%BB%B6/page42

JP forums are a moderated wasteland right now.

Yes, I'm sorry: To clarify I meant "IF Square comes out with THIS NEW EASY TO GET ***BEATS OUT YOUR STUFF". Obviously if relics are scaled to be comparable I'm ok with this.

While I spank you?

I find this hilarious.

There have always been options to compete with them, never anything that completely blew them out of the water however.

By the look of the new weapon I can say I'm not scared.

Which proves they pay more attention to the JP forums, NA forums are hardly ever moderated lol

i dont understand why people are actually worried about this..nor the people who keep saying Relics should be outdated.

Every final fantasy has had a set of hard to obtain ultimate weapons that will be the strongest no matter what. Relics WERE those weapons. to give us more variety and other things to work for, we got Mythics and Empy's which fall into a "relic class" of weapons. no matter what SE adds, these weapons will always be bumped up to be stronger.

It's funny because a lot of those posts were just angry and maybe a bit rude, but not at all vulgar or directly insulting. They were things like "Yeah I'm qutting, it was a fun ten years" etc. It was blunt, but nothing on the level of a typical post you'd see from an EN player.

Once again, the continued viability of the things I invested time in, the assurance that I would not need to completely revamp my gear sets for every single job I play once every 4-5 months, is the one thing FFXI had going over other MMOs more competently run in basically every other way.

So yes, it actually IS time to pack our things and go.

Please dbox your gil and stuff to my account thanks....

make an offer, bro

All that means is that NA players have more flavor than our JP counterparts.

I await the thread on OF where someone talks about how 10 years ago it all started with a trip to Gamestop with grandma and the puppies and now life is over with this patch.

You've driven me to extreme action Matsui. My blood is on YOUR HANDS.

- A concerned CUSTOMER