Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

Freaking hope so. I feel so bad for ammo users, SE feels the need to make high end ammo obscenely rare / expensive which just turns into a giant gil sink.

Anyhow I'm out for the evening. People need to try harder, we can make page 150 before I get on tomorrow night.

Which is why Ninja and throwing never worked in this game, hard to find and way too expensive; not to mention not really worth it damage wise.

The killer part is time limit. We've been fighting the delve NMs these past few days with no issue, no one ever falling into trouble and the fight would be totally manageable... however the damn thing disappears after 20 mins.. this 'zerg or gtfo' content is really frustrating. Not saying I want to go back to the 6 hour Jorm fights, but part of the challenge was to take a few hours the first time your group met a new challenge to figure out how to adjust the strategy to take him down successfully first, then decrease the time it takes to clear it. You go from zombie-ing (pre twilight mail) Byakko for an hour while everyone recovers to takeing the *** down in 20 mins like it's nothing because you've already slaughtered him 20 times.

TL;DR - This time limit thing sucks.

We'r in the same boat, R/E/M 99s are either getting a straight buff or they are adding trials to "take it past 99". I'l keep going for the plates, the buffs seem to be nice but some people aren't sure how long they will last, all seems like a bit of a gamble atm to my understanding. If you continue to go for em, good luck to the both of us!

You are quoting posts that are not only out of context (Some gear being better than others =/= hurr we're only wearing one set of gear now), but came after you came in and derailed the thread into your dipshit comparisons to WoW when it wasn't even mentioned beforehand.

I'd really like some of what you're smoking so I too can feel like I'm right even when I'm saying something completely *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

Thanks cloud I am hoping for the best I am glad my kannagi is not going to die atleast not yet anthropology speaking lol

For the record, the next time you're wondering if there's any new info about the REM updates, you should probably just the check page 1 OP since Kali is nice enough to keep it up-to-date for everyone.

1 page of ilevel of pointless argument, ever realize every game had its own meaning of ilevel. anyway if pay attention to the new contents, matsui is more focus on making content actually required the new gears inorder to farm it efficiently under a time limit, unlike the past where they to implement gimmick death move and call it challenging.

The main issue is, the way he talks about ilvl (especially given the example at hand that he used to explain his concept), it will only target damage.

FFXI isn't WoW nor is it TERA or Rift. Ilvl regarding damage is the tip of the iceberg and even then, as I explained before, an item can be #1 for a specific use and literally trash/unusable for another, which alternate every second you spend playing this game.

This plus the fact that things like Miki body exist make it really hard for me to believe that they will give a proper ilvl. But hey, I'm totally expecting them to come up with something that will blow my mind, they're Japanese after all, they have the best coke worldwide.

No one has ever said this is going to change in this thread. Please stop repeating it as if we are stupid.

I don't remember mentioning anyone saying that they would need to change it or that it needed to be changed. Either you have reading issues or you can't stay focused on a single idea, either way you need to think more before pushing the Submit button.

As for "we", you're the only person targeted because as I explained in my previous sentence, you aren't focused on the idea and therefore, you don't get it.

Since my apparently minute brain obviously isn't capable of handling more than one idea at a time, would you care to explain why you keep bringing up equipment swapping etc. as though folks in the thread are defending the idea of item levels in game?

I guess you missed the 3 last pages, my bad.


It's not a matter of defending but of using a specific term. Why would you talk about ilvl when it comes to FFXI when it cannot be applied? Or at least, not until they provide us with a proper system.

Even weapons cannot follow ilvl rules, and that's what you switch the least.

Completely off-topic:
I just realized there is a toilet in the background of your pic. What's up with that?

On-topic:
Someone, somewhere said something about situational uses for different gear.. Remember Ipsen's Castle in FFIX? No? Well, allow me to inform you. Ipsen's Castle was a structure in FFIX inspired by the royal castle of the Holy Empire of Unitinu (see below), basically, it was an upside-down castle with a right-side-up castle on top of it, The gimmick behind this castle? Damage modifiers were reversed, if using high damage weapons, your damage was ***, if using the crap you started with, you were striking the enemies' weak spot for massive damage...but not really. Maybe SE should do something like this to FFXI. No?



Pic semi-related, all hail the Holy Empire of Unitinu!

I must admit, I never noticed the toilet.

No, I've been here.

A debate began about the "definition" of item level and whether it will apply to FFXI in the future in regard to (specifically) REM weapons, but also in a broader sense to equipment in general.

The developers have been very clear that they intend for a system like this to exist for future content. I stated as much, and you responded by providing examples of items that do not work with item level because of equipment swapping, etc.

You're correct that those items from the game's past, which were not implemented within a codified structure of content levels (or, more commonly in MMOs as a whole, item levels), will likely still be useful in the future, regardless of their item level. However, the developers still plan to codify gear in terms of content level the future, regardless of this.

No one has disputed that these pieces of gear will suddenly become irrelevant (unless of course, gear of a higher "content level" with similar statistics is implemented in the future). However, you brought the point up again for some reason, and it seemed to me that you still felt there was some disagreement in regard to the fact that equipment swapping/specialty gear were still going to be used.

Now, I can't read your mind, so perhaps you brought that up again for some other reason, but if you did, it's not one I was able to reason out. So, you may kindly explain it, if you so desire.

So...you're just playing semantics? Content level/item level are essentially synonymous in regards to FFXI. People are just falling back on item level because it's a more familiar term, much as people "mob" in place of monster, even though that term's not really "official" for FFXI.

People are allowed to use generalized terms, and item level systems as people are generally familiar with them coincide with the system outlined in Matsui's design goals.

Man, this thread sure got boring.

I blame Saevel, he always has the additional effect of making topics boring.

give everyone their 999 base dmg weapons but give my blu limit glove

I don't blame you for not following the conversation that preceded saevel's childish outburst, but before that anybody that was using the term was purely talking about ilevel in the way that Matsui was using it, WoW be damned. After that Saevel just came into the thread having a manic freakout over the fact that we were using a term that happens to be used in other games. Whoop-de-***. It doesn't matter what we call it any more than the fact that a stat increasing evasion and subtle blow but doesn't increase attack power or crit. hit rate is called Agility in FFXI.

If you're so annoyed by it just call it clevel or call whatever you want, call it banana sundae levels. People were using it in the context of how they intend to design content- Harder content will drop higher ilevel items which will generally be better. Yes FFXI is often about sidegrades and more sidegrades because of how the game is structured, but it is about how their design philosophy has changed. If you want to argue the term has no meaning to the end user feel free to do that, just don't get a stick up your *** because people are using a term you don't want them to use.

Also

They aren't and that's my main issue.

also seriously has nobody remembered my sehaparrot theory

I'm not a parrot, at best I can be a hummingbird!

Would you care to explain how "content level" (which Matsui uses to refer both to enemies *and* items) will be significantly different from items having a codified "level" that determines the breadth and depth of their stats?

i shall find a pirate hummingbird some crazy *** has to have drawn one

I'd love to.

What about SMN?

ok so "cartoon pirate hummingbird" lead me to one of those evil places in the deepest reach of the interwebs

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm merely saying that not all high level content gives the highest ilvl right now.
I'm not saying it "will not" be the case in the near future, but that it would have to go beyond what Delve brought, much beyond.

The guy on the right looks like he has a powerful rinnegan.