Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

I forgot it was in the OP

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AGREE
Im more then willing to work on a Delve weapon and even toss my 90 RME but think I deserve the WS at least. I duo/tripple boxed mine as is and that was a lot of work for RL full time professional with two great kids at home and Im the cook too.

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There's also some posts from Igawa on the official forums that were posted on page 80ish of this blockbuster that basically said they are looking at what damage values would be needed to boost RME to be equal to delve. They're staying pretty adamant on not letting the delve weps fall behind RME but it seems to me that they're trying to open up 'options' for players to try and kill the 'RME Onry' shouts that were gimping the game for those who didn't have the mental fortitude to grind up an RME.

Personally, I'd take a base damage hit to keep my Spharai relevant. Even if it takes grinding up a Delve wep to make it so I can burn ADL faster to 99 them.

I posted this on the official forums but:

They should make a Mythic like BC for Relics,Emps,WoE weapons for unlocking the WSs. WS the "Maat" 3 times, once at 100,200 and 300tp to get access to the WS. This would allow anyone with current access to acquire the WS. 85+ Emps and 75+ Relics. Yes 85 and 75 E/R are gimp but its any easy to program quick addition for unlocking the WSs.

If down the road E/R/Ms really do become gimp (at 99) it would allow people to access the respecive WSs without having to go through tons of useless trials. (75-99 relic etc)

The only problem with this idea? It's SE, if they were to use this, which is a great idea, you know they'd *** it up somehow.

"However, RME weapons have been considered the ultimate weapons up until this point in time, but I feel that this needs to change a bit"

This was on my mind the past couple of days. Did I interpret this Matsui quote correctly? Is he trying to say that sooner or later the same thing will happen again that we will complain for in a 100+ page thread? In other words, even with a buff to RME, it's only a matter of time before they're useless?


Also...

"I would like to make a shift so that instead of having it so that other weapons aren't necessary if you have RME weapons, you have a choice. If you are happy with RME, then you can use RME, and for those who want other weapons you can use other weapons."

Hasn't this always been the case anyway? For example, take SAM and their Legendary Weapons. There are occasions when all three (Amano/Masa/Koga) are required, and those people lucky enough to have all three, would use one over the other depending on the event. For example, Amano in NNI, Koga in VW and Masa in Abbysea. Sooo...what is Matsui trying to say exactly?

Using SAMs as the example again, I think he's thinking more something like it was at 75, with Hagun still being quite viable if you didn't have Amano.

If that's the case, that's not bad either. I wouldn't mind that at all.

Yeah, if that's what he meant I'm on board. Let's someone show dedication to a particular job, and someone who has a job leveled for versatility still be useful with it. Should be a win for everyone, really.

not sure if has been suggested yet, but how about new ultimate weapons that you can gain while in possession of all relic/mythic/empy/delve etc. of a specific type. This would still create the demand for making each weapon. obviously this idea has flaws such as shield or horn or some jobs that don't have relics, but could be something worked out

Jeeeeeezus. Is this thread still alive?

I'd say it's on life support. But god I love the old Batman.

i just love how you guys think only 99s are worth anything kinda narrow minded......


Alot average players dont have 1500 plates or 15 marrows to throw at a 99...


(Can't hardly get plates now with no reason to do Qilin or Uptala)


Also with the Cost of plates rising on our Server, and lessening of VW shouts, and that being only place you can obtain the stupid things what is the plan honestly....


The original reason for the 1500 plates was to make it comparable to Relics cost of Ancient Currency and now Curreny is down to like 5k on Odin so thats like 80m to make a relic but yet it still cost nearly double that for 1500 HMPs

Square Enix needs to really really really think this through and balance all of the weapons and "Yes" a 99 should be more powerful but 85s 90s and 95s shouldn't be useless...

Alot of effort goes into both a 95 relic and a 90 Empyrean

And i dont beleive a Empyrean 99 is easier to get over a 99 relic now. I acctually think a Relic is stupid easy for some players to do and should have been alot harder. a LS can 95-99 a relic in like a week and person can dual box a relic in about 3 months (This s average player)

I was personally Stuck on Glavoid for like 3 month alone....

(But there is the balance again SE didnt think through abyssea NMs some are easy and some are stupid hard)

these quick fixes are just distorting the balance and prolonging the enevitable...

Do you honestly beleive that 85s 90s and 95s should be useless or do you just have 2 - 3 99 Relics and dont care

The highest level emp I have is a 90 and I don't think they deserve the same treatment as 99s. That said, the avenues for obtaining the upgrade items (plates and cinder/dross) need to be addressed.

You still have more upgrades on your 85/90 weapon. The people with the 99s don't. Why should you get base D upgrades to your weapon when you still have some trials left to go? Those give you base D upgrades too, ya know.

They should rethink the whole RME building concept. Relics are fine, Mythics shouldn't need you to have 2 friends/randoms/mules to even think to attempt it, given the state of the game, Empyreans are linked to a somewhat dead content, it hurts.

Should really stop crying about how Lv85/90/95 weapons are not the ideal weapon to use on post-Lv99 content. You want to talk about how average players can build relics in a few months, how about empyreans that can be built to 85 within a week, if that, and as far as your Glavoids went, you're probably just terrible. In the grand scheme of things, my 99 Vere cost a little more than my Spharai would in total to 99, if I bought marrows, so I don't see the great upset balance you're implying on the subject of Relics and Empyreans. When you 99 one of each, and saw the initial post from Matsui that started all this, then you can complain about getting screwed.

99 empys atr double the work of any 99 relic. Mythics are five timrs the work.

100m plus 50 equals 170 for a 99r.
1500 plates and 99 trial is 170 to 200m. That doesnt count for 80 to 90 trials. Buy or farm an empy to 99 is twice as much.

The cost is roughly equal and the camped nms take about as long as doing relic killshots. It's a pretty even system.

Mythic is in a different league not because of the gil (270 vs 140ish) but the events are such a pain to get people to do. You can't 2 box ein/nyzul/assault so people either have to find someone else going for mythic or drag other people to level 75 content with no rewards.

Before long riftcinder/dross will probably be non existent at any price. I havent seen a shout for any of those since the expansion came out.

I'd be all for 90 emps getting the same treatment as 99 WOE as far as transferring the ws. Seems fair.

I'm trying to think of ways they can decrease the difficulty of voidwatch so you can farm it with a small group similar to how people do it for Marrows, Scoria and numerous parts of the Mythic quest. Even if they reduced the NM strength and made phasers a lot cheaper the remaining problem is that the proc system forces you to bring as many people as possible. So basically in order to make Voidwatch easier they have to restructure the proc system.

The only idea off the top of my head is to make it so that at all times, VWNMs are guaranteed to have at least one weakness from all weapons classes and from all magic classes. You still have to do the obnoxious "go down the list of all your WS" thing, but at least you'll never go through a whole list and not hit anything.

That's for sure, I don't understand how they think it's a viable, fun way to play to impose on players to do a second time what they have already done.

The ratio fun/challenge/actual content worth doing has been pretty shitty in their announcements.

Ig-Alima is pretty good exp.

If its still "worth it" to work on 99 empyreans vs. the new available weapons you will find other players that will join you.

I suspect, however that effort/reward ratio favors the new weapons if your r/m/e is unfinished (withe exception of ryunohige).

The boost to r/m/e power in the coming update is not to convince players to go out and make them. It's to reward veteran players who have already finished. That reward comes in the form of being able to skip the first 20 levels of Adoulin weapon content, freeing players up to focus on armour. A nice reward.

If you haven't finished though, you still have considerable work ahead of you in either case. Probably just makes more sense to focus on delve weapon instead. (Unless you are like... 90% finished or super close or something.)

If you really can't find anyone to join you in VW, maybe it's time to take the hint...

Math is a bit off lol.

True but in generala relic is 100-20m +50 for marrows. I was leaving the 20m as depending on currencies and weapon. Most people will agree a relic is 100-120m before marrows.

yeah def depending on currency. On my server relics go for about 75m with a loan. I wouldn't doubt empys being x2 or more after VW dies down.

Pouches drop rate should be increased. VW is rare as it is, but things don't even drop!

As others have suggested before, pouches should drop from everything in J T3 and above, and every chapter besides maybe the cities, but make singles drop there. Cities are too easy.

What's up with this maintenance crap? FFXI: May - The month that wasn't.

wait until REM update then people will be like.. Claustrum Broken!