Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

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Would you rather do myrke and nuke with that staff or the empy.


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empy club is in the same boat. It won't matter how the weapon is buffed after update the main weapon itself will fall to this weapon. But lets hope 99 empys get all benefits of WoE. Otherwise VW/ and abby just got a major down hit and a RTM market was just created with WoE.

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Considering those with 99 Empy will have a base DMG advantage over those using the WS with plasm weapons, the butthurt will probably only be relevant towards Relic/Mythic users since they'll have access to both the Emperean and (if relevant) their native WS. If anything, owners of relics with a worthwhile WS win the most under the current proposal.

Wildfire Annihilator GOOOOOO!!!!

I kinda do agree with unlocking the WS (w/o AM access) for 85/90version since it's roughly the same effort as a 99Hobo.

That's true, but what I think really is bothering some people is that you can either:

Make a 99 Empyrean, and transfer the weaponskill to a delve weapon
or
Make a 99 WOE weapon, and transfer the weaponskill to a delve weapon.

The second option being easier. BUT... we don't know yet about aftermath, other additional stats, or what's going to be required to do any of this. It's just fun to be antsy sometimes.

People are still finding something to *** and cry about, For real WTF is wrong with people. How are we suppose to have new hard content and get our *** kicked and only have 3 sets of weapons that are suppose to be the best? How many times does SE need to upgrade a weapon a 99+5???? Move on to better things, SE gave us some hope yesterday about the new upgrades and people still want more. Oh My God Emp WS's from WoE weapons does anyone cry about Mythic WS's? NO! Anyone Cry about Shoha Resolution? No! So if SE adds NMs or mobs that are level 130+ going to cry that 99+5 REMs are doing any dmg and demand an upgrade again?

It was my impression that by "unlocking" the ws, you can use it with Any weapon, is this not the case?

Can use Myhtic WS with any weapons so I don't see why not.

This post contains more whining than the last 3 pages combined.

And yet the post is honest, lol. It doesn't matter anyways, people will whine and complain regardless on both sides of the aisle, you learn to ignore it and deal with it.

Agreed, but there is a difference between speculation and whining.

This I agree with, the thing is, that's not what SE has under discussion atm. Sure the JP's bitched and they get what they *** for, now it all depends on what SE will finalize. My small gripe was about the inclusion of 99 WOE weapons, in the discussion, in the first place. Lumping together an already inferior weapon in the R/M/E talks seemed very out of place to me.

Careful now. People get touchy when you say anything against their Gimpyreans...

Not that I don't welcome the change, but there's a world of difference between the Mythics (with a lot of job specific traits) and the Empyreans (which for the most part, are a bad *** WS on a strong weapon).

Making the WS non-exclusive removes quite a bit of the luster from Empyreans. The Aftermath and WSDMG+ that the higher levels get opens the gap a little more, but let's not pretend that King's Justice is Ukko's Fury.

I still like "Hobo weapons". It plays better with the WS names.

Hobo's Fury, Hobo Smite, Hobo's Radiance, Hobofire, Tachi: Hobo, Hobo's Storm etc etc.

Personally anything that revitalizes areas of the game that have been collecting dust is a good thing imo. I'm not going to begrudge anyone who made a coin weapon getting some consideration. All SE needed to do from the beginning was to unlock Empy ws's if you 99 WoE versioned or 85+ empy pathed them. That, and the increase to the base stats of R/M/E would have saved a massive amount of anger from the playerbase.

The true problem here however is that Matsui's vision looks at coin weapons, and people who 99'd R/M/E's in the same light. They both were supposed to be left in the dust by Seekers content. That is blatantly evident by the fact that they admit they had nothing planned for R/M/E until the wave of backlash broke over SE's head. If I were sitting on a 99 relic/mythic/empy I would be much more concerned with the purposely vauge description of SE's intentions going forward, and their not so vauge viewpoint that delve weapons will superceede R/M/E's in the future after this "one time fix". Seems more important than the fact that 99 coin weapons got a bone thrown to them.

One can only hope Matsui recognizes just how poorly the update went over (and more importantly, WHY) and actively attempts to avoid repeating that stumble. If it happens again, I'd presume the more appropriate backlash would be "Dude, didn't you learn from last time?" than "waaaa my RMEC weapon"

We also still have yet to see if the upgrades will be just given out to 99 owners or if there'll be some prerequisites (like needing to kill Delve megaboss). We don't know yet how long of a stick our carrot will be on.

I want every WS unlockable.

Maybe the aftermath is not linked to them, but the effects are neat.

I want to use Stringing Pummel on a Scythe

Wait, what exactly happened to Shoha and Resolution? I missed that.

Well you know, unlockable with same weapon type.

I still want to use Stringing Pummel with a Scythe!

Nothing. Arkista just doesn't know how to post anything productive to the discussion.

i have this huge feeling the butthurt will swell again when R/M/E get base dmg increased that are like 10~20 below the new weaps lol.

If Matsui learns what he should from all the backlash, that shouldn't happen, or if it does, they'll have higher delays to offset (as his sword examples showcase).

Best case scenario? Probably. But I don't think Matsui or his bosses would want to risk reliving the level of negativity they've gotten over the last 2 weeks.

They want to redeem themselves at this point. I wouldn't expect them to rush the content that would make them look better, or the changes in general, but I would expect them to show us the future carrot in detail little by little at the very least.

Either like they do with SMN, promising new summons since 1947, or much faster because they actually have no content that would make people play more than this.

That being said, there is more than RME to fix, they really have a lot of work to do.

My guess is we'll see some proposal on all the weapons after new Delve, circa late-June/mid-July, with implementation around a month later.

Right now I'd honestly settle for more storyline missions coming out first. I don't want another 2-year release cycle like WotG (though imo its story is the best thus far.)

My problem is not with woe weapons unlocking the ws, I'll go unlock those that I didn't bother making an empy for. However why should I also redo the one I have empyrean for? I'm just saying empyreans should unlock it as well.

If enough JPs speak up, maybe they will.

Empyrean get the worst out of the proposed upgrades, but they'll still be better off than they were before.
In cases of the relevant ones, Relic holders win the most, Mythic 2nd, Coin 3rd, Empyrean no podium.

Doing this type of system leaves them with no option, Unlocking the WS must give a bonus or aftermath. Otherwise everyone will just make coin weapons & Just use Nyzule WS.

Its Harder to make Mythic/Emp than it is to Make Coin/unlock Nyzule. They really cant give the easyer weapons the better choice, that will cause a bigger shitstorm than this hole thread as E/M will become extinct.

what I find most hilarious in all of this, is for all of the "you're butthurt" "no u" back and forth I see on the forums, it's the people with the mostly upgraded items doing Delve in game. it's the people saying "yeah, I tossed my 99 Relic/Empyrean weapon onto my Mannequin yesterday" who are actually doing the new content. these are in the shout groups where the only person who NEEDS to be using Emp. is the PLD holding the bosses while everyone else goes on their killing spree for plasm. if all the people who don't have an REM are so awesome, why aren't they doing the content? if you have your 85/90 Emp. and it was totes OK to get shat all over, why aren't you Delving for the new weaponry? if Dynamis isn't making the money it used to, why aren't you getting Plasm and selling Airlixirs? why are they still the ones standing around in Jeuno whining about nothing to do?

Delve shouts are not even Yells, which makes it difficult for me to follow while I am off farming something/not sitting in Adoulin, because half the time by the time someone in my shell says X is making a Delve shout, it's already full/just missing a PLD or BRD. if Delve is too hard, why is no one out beating on trees and rocks to get the (massively increased drop rate) Skirmish items to make improvements?

tl:dr - why is there all this whimper whimper whining still going on if all the content is so damned easy (which I will not contest it is, I already have my H2H and Great Axe in progress), and why is it that the people hurt most by its introduction are the ones working hardest to get it done?

I have no idea what you're on about.