Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"

99gandiva, you deserve every bit of what you got. Everything was pointing against 99ing a gandiva.

In this game, you commit to whatever you feel is worth that $10/month. I wanted my rng to have a great arsenal so I decided to go with Anni/Gandiva mostly because I just dont like the look of Yoichi & Jishnu's > namas. Do I deserve getting shafted? no but you sure look like a *** either way.

RMEs are only now a central part of the game because large-scale changes to their respective content made them attainable to a larger portion of the players. What I'm saying is that these kinds of changes are the only things that can realistically be expected.

Make a weapon because you want to be the best. Not because you want to be buried with it.

I'd disagree that they weren't central, to be honest. Even back in 2004, when they were nothing but a pipe dream to me, they were a part of what made this game the game it was. They're something that no other MMO has that I know of, and that they stayed largely relevant for 10 years is unique among the genre. They're part of what's kept my interest now that I've come back, as well.

They are obviously more prevalent than they used to be--I won't argue with that--but I think the sort of...hmm. Sentimental? Emotional? draw that they have still remains, even if more people have them.

I'm overall less concerned with upgrades in armor than I might present in other posts. I do think the sudden jump in stats may prove problematic if they keep this up for a few tiers of content, in that the game will lose its broad base of relevant content as a result, but whether these large jumps continue remains to be seen.

heres the real problem! a year from now r/m/e wont give you points on ffxiah anymore <insert Q.Q here>

rip maat's cap

edit: also glad i haven't tossed ultimatum since 75 cap

Why would SE think it's a good idea to have WOE weapons unlock the weapon skill? So...What they're saying is if I want to unlock my ukko's fury for instance, I have the build the WOE weapon...Even thought I already have a 90 ukon? Nice SE, nice...

It would be nice if 99 Emps also unlocked the WS but oh well. It's not like it's hard to camp NMs over again.

Boring as hell though. I have lolkannagi completed up to level 85, just in abyssea drops, but I lost the patience to camp the NMs (lottery pop ones)... This is like a year ago, maybe longer.

Why not both?! :p

Hmmm a way to make walk of echoes popular again... nah terrible idea.

Its what happens when they try to appease everyone. Personally I think they should only allow the unlocking of weaponskills for level 99 R/M/E only. 99 WoE weapons are just as gimp (if not more) than 90 Empyreans and both are a cop-out to 99ing an empyrean so why should one be rewarded over another?

It is not so much the NM's farming. Have you seen the price of the items since they announced WoE unlocked. 400% upgrade cost. Some people are putting dice for 350k. The cost of riftdross. And 100k coins.

All this when a WoE weapon I will say equals a lvl 85 empy. Time getting 50 bri or glavoid would equal total time to 99 an WoE weapon.

So 90+ weapons on empy are more time consuming and lets not even get into HMP or Rift, and for thse few members who have afterglow.

I don't think making WOE relevant is bad at all. If you look at it this way:

Player A:
99 Ukon upgraded for new content, I have access to the WS and the power of my 99 upgraded Ukon, so I win. Both in one package.

Player B:
I don't have access to a crazy 99 Ukon fully upgraded, but I have a really nice axe and now i can play with some of the big boys because i have a ws that doesn't blow because I was able to WOE unlock.

Player C:
I have my Bravura that i spent a lot of money on back in the day, but the WS sucks for damage and I don't have a Ukon or Upheaval (too many other ws merited, whatever) but now i can unlock a great WS and use my relic!

Personally, I think this idea is a lot of win. Raises the bar for elite players, gives less elite players something powerful to play with, and gives other weapons with less desirable ws a chance at a new ws that doesn't suck.

~Skye

Ok so Ukon gets a cool aftermath. But staff, club, and even ranged to an extent get totally shafted as aftermath means nothing.

Myrkr will be WoE added on Soulflayers staff. Their is no buff they could put on the empy staff to even make it compare with soulflayers buffs all in one.

Club Dagen will be added on a new 30k club. Again no buff on the empy staff could out equal this.

Range, I am not 100% sure but It doesn't seem those would work.

I was lucky and I bought most items from 80-99 right as announcement was made for three WOE weapons. And while I will be happy to add Great sword and Scythe to my relics. I also think of 99 Empy GS or Scythe holders they wont be able to compare either.

I am just saying as it comes closer I how WOE and 99 Empys both unlock the WS. This would truly allow players to be able to choose many weapons to play with.

i think it's only fair if emps have to share their weaponskills they should either get the highest new base dmg increase or at least something else to compensate for people owning the 99 versions of the emps.

don't forget more incentive to grab these:

Sorry but Yoichi>Gandiva unless you like wasting time in abyssea. If you made a weapon choice for aesthetic value, you have no right to complain about your (bad) weapon becoming even more useless.

STOP HAVING FUN GUYS! It's wrong! It's bad and you should FEEL bad!

I was thinking perhaps the 99 weapons finally being given WS DMG +% since it seems to be something that makes the other Legendaries truly unique and would make sense since at least logically these weapons were made to perform these WS. It would stand to reason that the weapons should be the best when it comes to performing the WS they were made for. Granted, having said all that, being given WS DMG+% shouldn't exclude any further DMG rating adjustments.

Note: By saying "being made to perform these WS" I mean so in a lore-wise kinda sense.

Are Marrows disappearing from bazaars on all servers now after this news, or just Lakshmi?

People are buying them before they get updated. Then priced back up to 20m. Ironically, people with the new weapons should be able to six man ADL and you would think the price would drop.

No, my problem is that he's butthurt over a weapon being outdated that was clearly useless from the start.

There is only one real question I have after everything is now said and done. Exactly -where and when- was the WOE weapons brought into the fray, and by whom? How about no, when even at 99 most of those weapons where inferior to their 90 Empyrean in the first place? What exact idiot first complained about them? Relics/Mythic/Empyrean owners had a valid gripe with the new delve weapons dwarfing those accomplishments. Or was it Matsui that came up with adding those to the mix to be included?

ftfy

@ bahtbaht: Lots of JPs made Hobo weapons.

Im not starting a weapon comparison, but I will say ive only seen 1 yoichi rng deal the type of damage I would deal in most fights that I would use bow on(which I used in VW mostly). Im pretty sure the fact that I made the weapon(period) means that I can complain about it getting shafted, although what I was talking about was empys in general because I had at least 2 more 99's otw.


Go back & read. I was talking about the ws's & you're making this about the weapon. If the update was simply enhancing R/M/E weapons, like most would prefer it, I wouldnt mind the new bows or that my bow is "outdated" because I would still enjoying using it.

Would you really toss your Ukon?
I think it's a good thing we have the choice between REMs and new weapons, and even if new weapons are slightly better that fine.
I kinda like the progression system.
The way things are going, the new weapons will crush the upgraded REMs soon. I wanna see which kind of contents will justify this. Maybe they'll introduce some level 180 mobs.

All SE needed to do was make Empy WS unlocked either by 99 WoE weapons or 85 Empy versions. Then everyone would have been compensated for their efforts. People who 99'd their WoE versions, and people who have 85+ Empy's would have the WS unlocked. People who 99'd their R/M/E would have the upgrades they asked for.

Bitching about level 99 coin weapons getting some consideration is about as intelligent as people who had no R/E/M being salty about SE giving in to demands to increase base stats on 99 R/M/E's.

I'm a bit confused by the people raging about Coin weapons unlocking Empyrean weaponskills. This isn't unprecedented.

Mythic weaponskills can be unlocked without the mythic weapon, but I don't/didn't see Mythic owners up in arms.

I mean...if you have the Mythic, you have the Mythic WS.
If you have the Empyrean, you have the Empyrean WS.

If you don't have the Mythic or Empyrean, you're likely using the WS on an inferior weapon than the Mythic or Empyrean anyways.

It's not like you're going to take that WS to another weapon if your Mythic/Empyrean weapon is still the best weapon you have...

(The new direction of the game may change that, but clouded, the future is.)

Anything that makes WoE semi viable again is a good thing imo. If including coin weapons in this revised plan going forward is the impetus behind it fantastic. Having more options to do eventwise in the game is a good thing.

The fundamental difference is that you are and have always been able to unlock the mythic ws before having the actual weapon.