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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 12:38:03
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
So...about this content level thing, if the next 3 Naakuals are going to be content level 16 or whatever, doesn't that mean that whatever Delve they end up making to correspond to those 3 Naakuals will be like content level 25 or something and we'll just be back to making another 100-page bitchfest about it?

And what about whatever comes after Delve? Are they just going to keep adjusting REMs so they correspond to the current content level? It's just weird.

Seems like the boss level Naakuals will all be at content level 20

(but the low tiers will be above the low tier delve nms we have now)
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 12:38:59
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I'm alright with naakual weapons having the highest damage. They are unique at least!

But they just drop from an NM =/ Means players won't have to go through the grief of getting a 99 R/E/M.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-05-09 12:41:07
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233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes
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By Ragnarok.Presidentobama 2013-05-09 12:41:24
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I really like how that change would give WoE weapons their own unique purpose instead of just being uglier and crappier versions of Empyrean weapons. For a lot of weapons, the Empyrean weapon skill would often be the best option for raw damage regardless of which weapon a player wants to use.

Maybe farming WoE could even become a big new thing instead of just a "I'm up at 4 AM and I want to annoy some Japanese people" thing.

...which means the actual change will probably be something much, much more boring that does nothing to change the status quo. “As for me my only hope is for eternal nothingness and I hope it with all my heart,” and such.


This is not fair to 99 empy holders. Staff "myrkr" and club "Dagen" holders. You telling us we hold a 99 empy and now have to make a 99 WOE weapon to use it on better staves?

To give an example: the delve staff is 145 base dmg +20 int + 5 MAB. This staff is meant for nuking. With Sch you can do a T5 nuke and get 21-25 Tp a nuke in return. Four nukes equals Myrkr. And notice this is on a nuke staff.

Now lets look at empy staff: perhaps it will be upgraded to 145 dmg but it has 0 INT/MAB, but instead has +150-200 MP and an aftermath of double attack what your not meleeing with anyway. Empy club is in the same boat. 99 Empy's should be allowed to unlock the weapon skill as well.

Same would go for if you have a Mythic Sch staff. This will probably become a updated nuking staff. Then to enhance your job, you have to do a WOE weapon to unlock myrkr vs. Empy.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 12:44:02
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
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233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes

What

75 Mjollnir had a higher base damage than 75 Spharai even after including H2H skill
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 12:44:12
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Seriously? buy 30 coins farm up 50 KC/HKC and buy w/e amount of the die and residue which are going for around 20-40k. That can be done in a few hours seeing as at this point most people will have the KC and HKC already. Empys you pop and proc 2-6 NMs per mega NM to then have it drop 1-2 items yes its easy but I consider going out and doing that more of a trial then buying stuff. Maybe if the WoE weapons needed 6000 die then 10000 residue and had a limited amount of time in WoE then yeah sure it would be a challenge.
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By Fenrir.Elliott 2013-05-09 12:46:38
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Siren.Barber said: »
Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome.

If the new weapons are the only reason to do the new content then it's pretty pathetic content.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-09 12:46:43
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My biggest issue is having to camp lottery spawn nms again. I hoped I was done with those forever...it's the worst thing in this game.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 12:48:48
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
My biggest issue is having to camp time spawn nms again. I hoped I was done with those forever...it's the worst thing in this game.

time spawn
i wish
you could just set an alarm and afk

*** lottery spawns
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-05-09 12:49:22
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Err yes, I meant lottery, that was a mt.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-05-09 12:49:51
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
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233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes

What

75 Mjollnir had a higher base damage than 75 Spharai even after including H2H skill
If he meant at lv 75 specifically, then I'll assume he would have said at lv 75.

Has always, I'll assume pre-seekers; with h2h skill, 99 Spharai have more dmg than 99 Mjollnir
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-09 12:50:09
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
*** lottery spawns

The worst are the ones with low pop rates, so they COULD show up in an hour, but more likely you're waiting seven or eight.

LOOKIN AT YOU, RATATOSKR
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 12:52:04
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
Cerberus.Corphish said: »
233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes

What

75 Mjollnir had a higher base damage than 75 Spharai even after including H2H skill
If he meant at lv 75 specifically, then I'll assume he would have said at lv 75.

Has always, I'll assume pre-seekers; with h2h skill, 99 Spharai have more dmg than 99 Mjollnir

Isn't 99 Spharai 92 dmg vs Mjollnir's 93
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By Bismarck.Vurant 2013-05-09 12:54:23
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Well i can't wait to see in a month or 2 Voidwatch ending tier shouts with x6 people (WAR,BLM,RNG,WHM,any,any)(if there are even some...), pets able to tank on VW easily or one-shot dyna/WoE/abyssea mobs (without even talking about the massacre DD jobs will do on old content)...
...And then Matsui will introduce even higher dmg weapons and def gear!
Fun stuff! :D :D
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-05-09 12:54:45
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
Cerberus.Corphish said: »
233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes

What

75 Mjollnir had a higher base damage than 75 Spharai even after including H2H skill
If he meant at lv 75 specifically, then I'll assume he would have said at lv 75.

Has always, I'll assume pre-seekers; with h2h skill, 99 Spharai have more dmg than 99 Mjollnir

Isn't 99 Spharai 92 dmg vs Mjollnir's 93
nvm, going back, h2h was higher at 75, too, IF you had a faith torque


299 h2h cap

299 x .11 + 3 = 35.89 rounds down to 35, +23 from Spharai = 58

and Spharai at 99 are 52 DMG
h2h skill w/o torque is 440 (w/ merits)

440 x .11 + 3 = 51.4 rounds down to 51, + 52 = 103
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 12:55:44
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herp i was dividing by 11

reppin dat mathematics degree
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 12:56:06
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
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233 Excalibur!?

C'monnnnnn 250~ Mjollnir!

Mjollnir has (in the past) always been the highest damage 1 handed weapon.
If you're not categorizing h2h as 1handed, yes

What

75 Mjollnir had a higher base damage than 75 Spharai even after including H2H skill
If he meant at lv 75 specifically, then I'll assume he would have said at lv 75.

Has always, I'll assume pre-seekers; with h2h skill, 99 Spharai have more dmg than 99 Mjollnir

Isn't 99 Spharai 92 dmg vs Mjollnir's 93
nvm, going back, h2h was higher at 75, too, IF you had a faith torque


299 h2h cap

299 x .11 + 3 = 35.89 rounds down to 35, +23 from Spharai = 58

and Spharai at 99 are 52 DMG
h2h skill w/o torque is 440 (w/ merits)

440 x .11 + 3 = 51.4 rounds down to 51, + 52 = 103

This has got awfully complicated and I was not including H2H D: /shuts mouth :S
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-09 12:56:29
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Bismarck.Kelhor said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
*** lottery spawns

The worst are the ones with low pop rates, so they COULD show up in an hour, but more likely you're waiting seven or eight.

LOOKIN AT YOU, RATATOSKR
Lumbering Lambert... I was totally unprepared for him to push the definition of lottery spawn to the extreme >.>
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 12:56:42
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Honestly you'd think they'd just increase our jlevels if they wanted to make the power increase so much, it's really weird to have weapons/armor of such varied strength at a single level especially considering how the enmity system works.

Guess all my magian weapons go into the trash now- speaking of that, I guess geodes are about to crash?
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By Bismarck.Kelhor 2013-05-09 13:00:15
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Honestly you'd think they'd just increase our jlevels if they wanted to make the power increase so much, it's really weird to have weapons/armor of such varied strength at a single level especially considering how the enmity system works.

Guess all my magian weapons go into the trash now- speaking of that, I guess geodes are about to crash?

I'm fine with them not increasing the level cap, but I don't get why they would abandon TotM. Nothing says "help get the casuals ready for Delve" like giving them stronger weapons they can build completely on their own.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-09 13:09:43
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There are still reasons to dislike this ridiculous increase of weapon base damage, but I am relieved that they are no longer related to the invalidation of an insane amount of effort on my behalf.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-05-09 13:18:35
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If you really want an evasion offhand for your post-upgrade 99RME you can augment a Delve weapon evasion path
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-05-09 13:20:24
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I will probably do that <_<;

If they upgrade the RMEs proportionally to what they're suggesting, Terpsichore/Twashtar will remain the best combination for Dancer and Aphotic Kukri will have no place in a DD build.
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By Bahamut.Dannyl 2013-05-09 13:20:28
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Incoming Moogle Slip for ToM weapons :/
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 13:21:10
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Fenrir.Sylow said: »
If you really want an evasion offhand for your post-upgrade 99RME you can augment a Delve weapon evasion path

^ What he said, the Delve weapons are the new Magian weapons basically- well, except you can only have one since it's REX.

I'd be willing to bet that if I was a NIN or a THF though, I'd lose less damage than swapping to a horribly outclassed magian weapon by offhanding the delve dagger or sword as necessary.
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By Phoenix.Urteil 2013-05-09 13:28:00
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WHAT THE *** IS GOING ON
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