Matsui: "Don't Throw Away Your R/M/E Weapons Yet"
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Matsui: "Don't throw away your R/M/E weapons yet"
I forgot that an update that might not happen for a year suddenly makes the new content not worth doing.
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Siren.Barber said: » Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome.
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Siren.Barber said: » Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome. Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » Ravenn42 said: » Carbuncle.Sambb said: »Odin.Tsuneo said: »Unless VW frequency picks back up, I don't see many people being able to 95 their Empyreans let alone 99. which is why imo if you have emp 85-90 you should have the choice of just unlocking the ws for another weapon or carry on your path and pray you get the plates. Or up the drop rate on pouches... or add them into more fights or... something to make it feasible for all the player base. Personally I will probably try pursuing the plates i needed for my ukon again now my friends harp is almost finished, but I still think I should have the choice considering I have put in the equivalent effort to a jp WoE hoarder. They have to fix the plate issue.. The vw shouts were dying down before new expansion. Like people have stated woe weapons will be better than empys because they are easy to 99. No need to fix. Just will make the HMP's and cinders skyrocket and content doable for years. In reality you will only need six people to do Uptala. With how strong the new weapons are. You will spam VW but not build lights anymore. So the lights effecting the drop rate is a total myth are they? Granted on gear we knew they were like 1% at best with maxed light so just zerging them not capping is helping you how exactly? Also if your having to buy dust to pop (like I would be because stones SUCK at the current replenish rate) your essentially wasting even more gil by not having a pouch drop. There is too much wrong with it imo and needs looking at. Before you say "gil lol gil" you still have to make it and I don't happen to be sitting on 100mil like some might be to go toss a load of it on VW stones. All I would be looking for is better drop rates to accompany the god awful stone repop time. I haven't done VW in I dunno weeks and i'm only back up to 52 stones.. which I could literally now go use in a few hrs and maybe get 1 pouch? if i'm lucky... but I've waited over 100hrs just to get those stones... The "balance" isn't there... haha...... Carbuncle.Sambb said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »Ravenn42 said: »Carbuncle.Sambb said: »Odin.Tsuneo said: »Unless VW frequency picks back up, I don't see many people being able to 95 their Empyreans let alone 99. which is why imo if you have emp 85-90 you should have the choice of just unlocking the ws for another weapon or carry on your path and pray you get the plates. Or up the drop rate on pouches... or add them into more fights or... something to make it feasible for all the player base. Personally I will probably try pursuing the plates i needed for my ukon again now my friends harp is almost finished, but I still think I should have the choice considering I have put in the equivalent effort to a jp WoE hoarder. They have to fix the plate issue.. The vw shouts were dying down before new expansion. Like people have stated woe weapons will be better than empys because they are easy to 99. No need to fix. Just will make the HMP's and cinders skyrocket and content doable for years. In reality you will only need six people to do Uptala. With how strong the new weapons are. You will spam VW but not build lights anymore. So the lights effecting the drop rate is a total myth are they? Granted on gear we knew they were like 1% at best with maxed light so just zerging them not capping is helping you how exactly? Also if your having to buy dust to pop (like I would be because stones SUCK at the current replenish rate) your essentially wasting even more gil by not having a pouch drop. There is too much wrong with it imo and needs looking at. Before you say "gil lol gil" you still have to make it and I don't happen to be sitting on 100mil like some might be to go toss a load of it on VW stones. All I would be looking for is better drop rates to accompany the god awful stone repop time. I haven't done VW in I dunno weeks and i'm only back up to 52 stones.. which I could literally now go use in a few hrs and maybe get 1 pouch? if i'm lucky... but I've waited over 100hrs just to get those stones... The "balance" isn't there... haha...... Perhaps your right on dust, but you forget. Many people are doing SOA or other activities daily and no VW. Hence their stone reserves are going up quite high. I don't think many people will be having to use dust to get stones. Especially if REMC update is not for another month or two. That be two to three months of stones being built up including this past month. Siren.Barber said: » Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome.  Carbuncle.Sambb said: » Stuff I have nothing to contribute, just wanted to compliment the Birdy avatar. Well if these changes only apply to 99 version. The delve weapons will still be in demand from people who can't/won't get 99 versions.
And of course there is great gear/accessories/animator to get too. Now that this is taken care of I can turn my official forum bitching to things that actually matter
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33451-Regarding-Supernal-Chapuli?p=432008#post432008
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Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » Carbuncle.Sambb said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »Ravenn42 said: »Carbuncle.Sambb said: »Odin.Tsuneo said: »Unless VW frequency picks back up, I don't see many people being able to 95 their Empyreans let alone 99. which is why imo if you have emp 85-90 you should have the choice of just unlocking the ws for another weapon or carry on your path and pray you get the plates. Or up the drop rate on pouches... or add them into more fights or... something to make it feasible for all the player base. Personally I will probably try pursuing the plates i needed for my ukon again now my friends harp is almost finished, but I still think I should have the choice considering I have put in the equivalent effort to a jp WoE hoarder. They have to fix the plate issue.. The vw shouts were dying down before new expansion. Like people have stated woe weapons will be better than empys because they are easy to 99. No need to fix. Just will make the HMP's and cinders skyrocket and content doable for years. In reality you will only need six people to do Uptala. With how strong the new weapons are. You will spam VW but not build lights anymore. So the lights effecting the drop rate is a total myth are they? Granted on gear we knew they were like 1% at best with maxed light so just zerging them not capping is helping you how exactly? Also if your having to buy dust to pop (like I would be because stones SUCK at the current replenish rate) your essentially wasting even more gil by not having a pouch drop. There is too much wrong with it imo and needs looking at. Before you say "gil lol gil" you still have to make it and I don't happen to be sitting on 100mil like some might be to go toss a load of it on VW stones. All I would be looking for is better drop rates to accompany the god awful stone repop time. I haven't done VW in I dunno weeks and i'm only back up to 52 stones.. which I could literally now go use in a few hrs and maybe get 1 pouch? if i'm lucky... but I've waited over 100hrs just to get those stones... The "balance" isn't there... haha...... Perhaps your right on dust, but you forget. Many people are doing SOA or other activities daily and no VW. Hence their stone reserves are going up quite high. I don't think many people will be having to use dust to get stones. Especially if REMC update is not for another month or two. That be two to three months of stones being built up including this past month. you get 2 stones replenished per day................ so 2 months you say? (you maybe right with that guesstimate) so... 120 stones, is that gona get you 1500 plates? nope.... no where near. If you got 750 with that many you deserve a medal. Considering how fast you can blow those stones in next to no time.. I still find this incredible.... I've been doing VW since it first came about, that is why my stones are so low and not at 1k like a mules that have sat not doing it since day 1. So what will the upgraded harp/horn and new shield be like. 5 songs?
They are not upgrading shield + instrument
Carbuncle.Sambb said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »Ravenn42 said: »Carbuncle.Sambb said: »Odin.Tsuneo said: »Unless VW frequency picks back up, I don't see many people being able to 95 their Empyreans let alone 99. which is why imo if you have emp 85-90 you should have the choice of just unlocking the ws for another weapon or carry on your path and pray you get the plates. Or up the drop rate on pouches... or add them into more fights or... something to make it feasible for all the player base. Personally I will probably try pursuing the plates i needed for my ukon again now my friends harp is almost finished, but I still think I should have the choice considering I have put in the equivalent effort to a jp WoE hoarder. They have to fix the plate issue.. The vw shouts were dying down before new expansion. Like people have stated woe weapons will be better than empys because they are easy to 99. No need to fix. Just will make the HMP's and cinders skyrocket and content doable for years. In reality you will only need six people to do Uptala. With how strong the new weapons are. You will spam VW but not build lights anymore. So the lights effecting the drop rate is a total myth are they? Granted on gear we knew they were like 1% at best with maxed light so just zerging them not capping is helping you how exactly? Also if your having to buy dust to pop (like I would be because stones SUCK at the current replenish rate) your essentially wasting even more gil by not having a pouch drop. There is too much wrong with it imo and needs looking at. Before you say "gil lol gil" you still have to make it and I don't happen to be sitting on 100mil like some might be to go toss a load of it on VW stones. All I would be looking for is better drop rates to accompany the god awful stone repop time. I haven't done VW in I dunno weeks and i'm only back up to 52 stones.. which I could literally now go use in a few hrs and maybe get 1 pouch? if i'm lucky... but I've waited over 100hrs just to get those stones... The "balance" isn't there... haha...... Perhaps your right on dust, but you forget. Many people are doing SOA or other activities daily and no VW. Hence their stone reserves are going up quite high. I don't think many people will be having to use dust to get stones. Especially if REMC update is not for another month or two. That be two to three months of stones being built up including this past month. you get 2 stones replenished per day................ so 2 months you say? (you maybe right with that guesstimate) so... 120 stones, is that gona get you 1500 plates? nope.... no where near. If you got 750 with that many you deserve a medal. Considering how fast you can blow those stones in next to no time.. I still find this incredible.... I've been doing VW since it first came about, that is why my stones are so low and not at 1k like a mules that have sat not doing it since day 1. I never said the stones would cover all 1500 plates. You should be making gil and buy plates or pouches that drop in some way or form. I don't know anyone who has got all 1500 plates and sixty x2 item without having to buy some from people during runs. Sell the new potions, or rocks for plazma 100k a pop, do dynamics or craft. But don't rely on 1500 plates just dropping to you. I'm loving the response, but if R/M/Es aren't going to be THE best anymore, I think post-ToAU jobs should get them, or at the very lease access to WoE weapons to unlock the WS.
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » Now that this is taken care of I can turn my official forum bitching to things that actually matter http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33451-Regarding-Supernal-Chapuli?p=432008#post432008 lol give em' hell Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » I never said the stones would cover all 1500 plates. You should be making gil and buy plates or pouches that drop in some way or form. I don't know anyone who has got all 1500 plates and sixty x2 item without having to buy some from people during runs. Condensed lots of that down. If you have a group that's willing to just farm plates (and the stones to do it) you are better off doing Jeuno T3's. Will see far better results than going to Zilart T3's and praying for a pouch. Know people who have gone 0 out of 60 on a pouch lol and you know it's always fun to get 5-7 in a pouch. This offers almost nothing to the others in the runs though as delve is steam rolling every slot anyone ever owned. Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: » Carbuncle.Sambb said: » Ragnarok.Presidentobama said: »Ravenn42 said: »Carbuncle.Sambb said: »Odin.Tsuneo said: »Unless VW frequency picks back up, I don't see many people being able to 95 their Empyreans let alone 99. which is why imo if you have emp 85-90 you should have the choice of just unlocking the ws for another weapon or carry on your path and pray you get the plates. Or up the drop rate on pouches... or add them into more fights or... something to make it feasible for all the player base. Personally I will probably try pursuing the plates i needed for my ukon again now my friends harp is almost finished, but I still think I should have the choice considering I have put in the equivalent effort to a jp WoE hoarder. They have to fix the plate issue.. The vw shouts were dying down before new expansion. Like people have stated woe weapons will be better than empys because they are easy to 99. No need to fix. Just will make the HMP's and cinders skyrocket and content doable for years. In reality you will only need six people to do Uptala. With how strong the new weapons are. You will spam VW but not build lights anymore. So the lights effecting the drop rate is a total myth are they? Granted on gear we knew they were like 1% at best with maxed light so just zerging them not capping is helping you how exactly? Also if your having to buy dust to pop (like I would be because stones SUCK at the current replenish rate) your essentially wasting even more gil by not having a pouch drop. There is too much wrong with it imo and needs looking at. Before you say "gil lol gil" you still have to make it and I don't happen to be sitting on 100mil like some might be to go toss a load of it on VW stones. All I would be looking for is better drop rates to accompany the god awful stone repop time. I haven't done VW in I dunno weeks and i'm only back up to 52 stones.. which I could literally now go use in a few hrs and maybe get 1 pouch? if i'm lucky... but I've waited over 100hrs just to get those stones... The "balance" isn't there... haha...... Perhaps your right on dust, but you forget. Many people are doing SOA or other activities daily and no VW. Hence their stone reserves are going up quite high. I don't think many people will be having to use dust to get stones. Especially if REMC update is not for another month or two. That be two to three months of stones being built up including this past month. you get 2 stones replenished per day................ so 2 months you say? (you maybe right with that guesstimate) so... 120 stones, is that gona get you 1500 plates? nope.... no where near. If you got 750 with that many you deserve a medal. Considering how fast you can blow those stones in next to no time.. I still find this incredible.... I've been doing VW since it first came about, that is why my stones are so low and not at 1k like a mules that have sat not doing it since day 1. I never said the stones would cover all 1500 plates. You should be making gil and buy plates or pouches that drop in some way or form. I don't know anyone who has got all 1500 plates and sixty x2 item without having to buy some from people during runs. Sell the new potions, or rocks for plazma 100k a pop, do dynamics or craft. But don't rely on 1500 plates just dropping to you. If the game is about gradual progression (which is what the devs keep spewing out) why is it unreasonable to have all 1500 plates dropped instead of HAVING to buy them? Is there any reason why I shouldn't expect pouches when spamming VW? There is no gradual progression if one chose that path its purely blind luck which is incredibly irritating. If your uber casual and want a relic without buying coin ul pop into dyna grab some coins leave and think "little bit closer." annnnnnny way.... I understand your point and I most definitely will end up buying some i'm sure, once i start something i'm impatient and want it done asap so tend to go all out on it. Siren.Barber said: » Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome. Or they could use this to force people to do new content, requiring x Airlixir +2, x Ghastly stone +2, x E. tinctures, and multiple/all wildskeeper naakual KIs. That'll keep everyone busy colonizing the land like they envisioned. Siren.Barber said: » Looks like people got what they wanted......absolutely zero incentive to do new content. Well and extra 2 double attack on earrings. Guess that's awesome.
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Fenrir.Sylow said: » Now that this is taken care of I can turn my official forum bitching to things that actually matter http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/33451-Regarding-Supernal-Chapuli?p=432008#post432008 Says he's trying to leap into new content. Complains about homespun names for grasshopper abilities... made my morning.
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Instead of having the stupid WoE weapon unlocking the ws lv90 empyreans should hell its more of a trial to get the abyssea items needed than it is to get the WoE items.
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I would love to be wrong and see droves of people farming plates/cinders in VW like many seem to be fantasizing but I'm just not buying it. That seems totally at odds with the reality of VW the past couple months (even before the bomb drop, forget after). And if anything the new higher damage weapons are going to increase the level of derp (imagine every VW mob dying as fast as Celaeno :/ ) Not always a good thing.
So...about this content level thing, if the next 3 Naakuals are going to be content level 16 or whatever, doesn't that mean that whatever Delve they end up making to correspond to those 3 Naakuals will be like content level 25 or something and we'll just be back to making another 100-page bitchfest about it?
And what about whatever comes after Delve? Are they just going to keep adjusting REMs so they correspond to the current content level? It's just weird.
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Odin.Creaucent said: » Instead of having the stupid WoE weapon unlocking the ws lv90 empyreans should hell its more of a trial to get the abyssea items needed than it is to get the WoE items. R u havin' a giggle, m8? I'm alright with naakual weapons having the highest damage. They are unique at least!
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Leviathan.Kincard said: » So...about this content level thing, if the next 3 Naakuals are going to be content level 16 or whatever, doesn't that mean that whatever Delve they end up making to correspond to those 3 Naakuals will be like content level 25 or something and we'll just be back to making another 100-page bitchfest about it? And what about whatever comes after Delve? Are they just going to keep adjusting REMs so they correspond to the current content level? It's just weird. That's the biggest thing I'm afraid of. This new content/gear model is something I really do not like.
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