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By Ragnarok.Afania 2013-05-09 05:33:25
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I don't get what you're trying to say. Your groups obviously sucked which was his point.


Trying to say it's not as easy in /shout like he said. And if his point is "Your group sucked!!!" I don't see how his point helps the situation.
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By Leviathan.Eblan 2013-05-09 06:03:03
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Quetzacoatl said: »
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Quetzacoatl said: »
DRK is King in the Accuracy department, so any substantial boost to accuracy will increase DRK's output.

If I knew 5 years ago, some guy on some forum would say this and for it to actually be true I would have kicked them in the face and told them to stop dreaming.

I go to Delve on DRK/SAM and have little accuracy problems with Sushi. I even wear an NQ Adaman Hauberk, oh the horror.
That's what I did tonight, especially with my Apoc (lol95, no money for marrows ; ;), since it's the only high-acc weapon I even have to use + merits. I had this superstition that something was going to happen with GSwords for some reason, which is why I don't have a Ragnarok, heh.

Although, I've been using Marinara Pizza +1 to add a little bit of Attack+ due to /SAM. I'll have to use Sushi next time and see if it makes more of a difference. I actually somehow kept up with the Bloodbath Axe WAR in my party...according to scoreboard anyways

LIAR! lol <3 Quetz. I hate that damn Orobon with all my heart. And yes I think apoc is still very useful and awesome in Delves :)
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 06:08:45
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We made an ls instead of a PUG it works a lot better the group gets to know each other, know each others play styles and which jobs they are the best at. Each member had very nice gear relics/empys salvage v2, abj+1 gear. My point was if you cant win suck it up get better gear, get better at the job and stop bitching. Cor and brd rotations work wonders for this have 6+ songs and 4 roll helps loads. Like sylow was saying before GEO debuff like eva and def down also helps and in a good group the mob hardly moves.

Edit: I never said anything about shouts.
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By skyehope928 2013-05-09 06:16:53
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Why so seriously
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 06:22:44
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If you're *** slapping the content because you have an 18+ man LS that's great for you, but I think the playerbase that's not interested in/can't hammer out scheduling gameplay events for one reason or another is going to continue complaining about the fact the only relevant content in the game is effectively inaccessible to them
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2013-05-09 06:25:38
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
If you're *** slapping the content because you have an 18+ man LS that's great for you, but I think the playerbase that's not interested in/can't hammer out scheduling gameplay events for one reason or another is going to continue complaining about the fact the only relevant content in the game is effectively inaccessible to them
you can come with me sometime if you're having trouble getting your clears bro
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 06:41:22
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
If you're *** slapping the content because you have an 18+ man LS that's great for you, but I think the playerbase that's not interested in/can't hammer out scheduling gameplay events for one reason or another is going to continue complaining about the fact the only relevant content in the game is effectively inaccessible to them

SE did say that delve was aimed at larger groups who had naakaul/skirmish equipment as far as I know skirmish pop items are dropping in piece though SE should up the drop rate. There are still quite a few things to come out and I remember them saying they were making stuff for lowman groups. I cant remember this much bitching when legion was released but then again dmg:200 weapons dont drop from there. I must say delve is actually a lot easier than legion.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 06:44:35
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Ragnarok.Afania said: »
Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I don't get what you're trying to say. Your groups obviously sucked which was his point.


Trying to say it's not as easy in /shout like he said. And if his point is "Your group sucked!!!" I don't see how his point helps the situation.

Some of the PUGs on RAG are notorious though, we watched 1 group take 12 mins to get the moth to tp move 20 times. They started zerging and watched it heal again for about 48k and wipe at 98%.

We popped after they failed and got it to 1% at rage timer where it went a bit messy but got the win. (My meaning in this pointless post is to stick with the people you know who can get results/only occasionally fail)
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-09 06:47:09
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Legion could be skipped altogether without hurting much. I think the biggest loss from Legion I had to accept was This.

Meanwhile, Delve allows to get some significant gear to improve 14 of your slots. Also, it seems to have replaced part of the VW groups.

From there, if you can't participate in Delve, what do you do?
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2013-05-09 06:50:06
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
From there, if you can't participate in Delve, what do you do?
Do other content until you're confident in your gear and MAKE the PUGs yourself. You can be as strict or lenient as you want when you're in charge.
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 06:55:35
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Id say finish other events like salvage v2 get the best weapons you can keep trying delve NMs and wait to see the new content SE brings out in june/july. T1/2/3 NMs are easy to kill you could spend your time farming plasm for the armour and upgrading it. Its only the T4/5 that should be causing any problems which I guess SE was thinking that would get armour first then taking on the T4/5.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-05-09 07:22:02
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Legion could be skipped altogether without hurting much. I think the biggest loss from Legion I had to accept was This.

Meanwhile, Delve allows to get some significant gear to improve 14 of your slots. Also, it seems to have replaced part of the VW groups.

From there, if you can't participate in Delve, what do you do?

Legion is fun to do.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-09 07:32:03
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Legion could be skipped altogether without hurting much. I think the biggest loss from Legion I had to accept was This.

Meanwhile, Delve allows to get some significant gear to improve 14 of your slots. Also, it seems to have replaced part of the VW groups.

From there, if you can't participate in Delve, what do you do?

Legion is fun to do.
Not a matter of being fun but accessible. I have done Legion a bit but when I did it was going nowhere.

Then people starting to actually clear runs, that's when my work schedule wasn't allowing me to join runs anymore.

I had issues with VW when it came out due to this but it all became much better when shouts could be found left and right. I could get almost everything (*** you Ogier helm) and actually progressed.

Even Salvage II is fine, I can just find one person and let's go.

As for making my own Delve group, it will happen eventually, when it has settled as the new VW.

All in all as it is right now, there is very little to do.
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By Ragnarok.Ecaroh 2013-05-09 07:32:40
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Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
stick with the people you know who can get results/only occasionally fail)

Bad news is all I see shouts for now is Fracture farming for pop items and KI and no Wildskeepers which I still need. I just got my 100K bayld this week.

The other problem is everyone seems to have left the Celzak and Yahse for Delve and as we lose colonization rates the Wildskeeper NMs get harder right? Their Damage Taken is a direct correlation to the % colonized?

Last night I was also shocked to see a colonization "Info text" that said we had lost Biovac #2 in Celzak. CRAP

GJ SE..................... now we have another train that left the building and is leaving people behind.

I even saw a shout last night for Delve that said "REM weapons or better". It is advancing just as the Forums have predicted.

Eca
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By Asura.Ina 2013-05-09 07:43:13
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R/E/M/D 90+ has been going on since the day it was released here... Kinda figured that would be normal.
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By Ragnarok.Ecaroh 2013-05-09 07:48:02
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Yea Im in that REM club. just thought the "or better" was very funny.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 08:17:35
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Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
you can come with me sometime if you're having trouble getting your clears bro

Heh, thanks, guess I'll take you up on that offer if I spot you.

So Matsui just posted some info about how he's thinking of some RME adjustments, why he feels RME shouldn't be the "top" anymore (He seems keen on making weapons have situational uses like armor, which I think is a great idea in concept but...I dunno. Usually it just ends up being that people will just use whatever does the most damage.), how the "content level" is supposed to be structured, etc. Gave 1H sword as an example. Shitstorm inc.

Just FYI:
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Excalibur
D121 Delay233 Atk+60 Acc+20 Knights of Round
Additional Effect: Based on HP

Burtgang
D131 Delay264 Atk+20 Acc+20 Enmity+18
PDT-18% Enmity Reduction Down When Taking Damage
Atonement
Aftermath:Acc/Atk/OA2-3

Almace
D114 Delay224 Atk+20 Acc+20 DEX+20 Chant du Cygne
Aftermath:ODD


New stats on weapons, lower D than the newest weapons but still high, higher D on Mythics to offset higher delay? I think we have a winner. Hopefully he'll adjust the secondary stats appropriately for each Mythic rather than making it a straight Atk+20/Acc+20 for all mythics and empyreans or whatever.

oh right coin weapons will unlock the WS apparently

inc massive inflation on WoE ***
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 08:37:24
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »

oh right coin weapons will unlock the WS apparently

waorugh394ty3-qghdasfgh

The best thing about Masa is Tachi:Fudo and the coin weapons are the ones that unlock it as a weapon skill...?

That means I would have to start the *** ToM process again to unlock the WS if I am not misunderstanding, to use it on what ever turd they squeeze out as the best GK shortly...
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 08:43:16
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Yeah if they allow Coin WS to be unlocked a lot of the Empyreans become meh, especially if they adjust it so that they have less damage than their relic/mythic counterparts.

(I'm hoping they're smart enough to allow Empyreans to unlock the WS too)
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-09 08:44:45
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Odin.Tsuneo said: »
I don't get what you're trying to say. Your groups obviously sucked which was his point.

He's being an ***. He went with a geared shell that wasn't filled with PUG folks. Throwing 99 RME DD's with six to eight songs and two (sometimes four) rolls on them at the NM's is only possible if your a high end shell with those resources. From PUG's your lucky to get more then one BRD and one COR along with a handful of DD's, some misc jobs and two PLDs. Honestly the hardest part is getting two PLD's with OChain or Aegis to survive holding the NMs through their rage because you know PUG folks won't be capable of crushing it within the allotted time. Hell I went with a group that was about 40~50% extremely well geared players with the rest being mediocre and the moth raged at about 40%, which is when we reverted to holder and /THF action. Same group did the raptor in about ~11min, just for scale.

I've also known groups that are capable of blowing the moth down in 10m and blowing up some of the other NMs even faster. Though you'll never see them use pickup folks.

That ultimately is FFXI's issue, high end shells hoover up all the well geared then use them to hoover up all the loot. This results in two distinct groups, those few who happened to get into a shell a long time ago and were able to keep pace with their upgrades, and those who either joined late or never got into a high end shell and thus never got pimped out. The developers comment indicated that SE knows about this issue, thus they basically begged the high end shells to let the casual players into their groups to let them experience the content.
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By Bismarck.Danz 2013-05-09 08:46:50
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »
you can come with me sometime if you're having trouble getting your clears bro

Heh, thanks, guess I'll take you up on that offer if I spot you.

So Matsui just posted some info about how he's thinking of some RME adjustments, why he feels RME shouldn't be the "top" anymore (He seems keen on making weapons have situational uses like armor, which I think is a great idea in concept but...I dunno. Usually it just ends up being that people will just use whatever does the most damage.), how the "content level" is supposed to be structured, etc. Gave 1H sword as an example. Shitstorm inc.

Just FYI:
Code
Excalibur
D121 Delay233 Atk+60 Acc+20 Knights of Round
Additional Effect: Based on HP

Burtgang
D131 Delay264 Atk+20 Acc+20 Enmity+18
PDT-18% Enmity Reduction Down When Taking Damage
Atonement
Aftermath:Acc/Atk/OA2-3

Almace
D114 Delay224 Atk+20 Acc+20 DEX+20 Chant du Cygne
Aftermath:ODD


New stats on weapons, lower D than the newest weapons but still high, higher D on Mythics to offset higher delay? I think we have a winner. Hopefully he'll adjust the secondary stats appropriately for each Mythic rather than making it a straight Atk+20/Acc+20 for all mythics and empyreans or whatever.

oh right coin weapons will unlock the WS apparently

inc massive inflation on WoE ***

all this time and there only getting to concepts ... ugh.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2013-05-09 08:48:10
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So their doing both unlocking the WS and buffing RME? If the buff is sufficient enough then it's not bad, but it NEEDS to be competitive with the uber weapons they just released or it'll get ignored. Especially as most Emps were ALL about their WS's, using UF with the new GAXE's for example would be crushingly powerful. Same with VS, CDC, BH and some others.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 08:51:00
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He says he wants to create something where you will use certain weapons given a situation, but I don't think he understands that people will just use whatever does the most damage like 98% of the time. The other 2% is PLDs facetanking with Burtgang.

I'm running really general numbers, but I think they want to get it to a point where if you're keeping up your aftermath you'll outdo the new weapons by a bit, but if you don't, the new weapons will be the way to go.

It's all up to how high they set the Ds for the REMs now.

They're still screwing over the enmity adjustments they made and they're still screwing over weapons like Armageddon, though.
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By Sylph.Jkun 2013-05-09 08:57:00
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Just a concept, but that puts 85-90-95 Empy owners in quite a predicament when they could have just done the WoE route and are able to use the WS on Delve Weapons.

Goddamnit, Chloris. Eat a ***.
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 08:57:43
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Sylph.Jkun said: »
Just a concept, but that puts 85-90-95 Empy owners in quite a predicament when they could have just done the WoE route and are able to use it on Delve Weapons.

Goddamnit, Chloris. Eat a ***.

Valid point but 1500 HMPs > Chloris. Go eat a *** SE?
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 09:00:29
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I don't think it'd be unfair to make the Empyreans unlock their WS at 90 and lowering the requirements for Coin weapons. For a bunch of jobs getting their Empyrean WS is going to be basically a requirement. >_>
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By Asura.Chexmix 2013-05-09 09:00:41
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Ragnarok.Daffel said: »
Sylph.Jkun said: »
Just a concept, but that puts 85-90-95 Empy owners in quite a predicament when they could have just done the WoE route and are able to use it on Delve Weapons.

Goddamnit, Chloris. Eat a ***.

Valid point but 1500 HMPs > Chloris. Go eat a *** SE?

SE's fault for taking forfuckingever to make coins not ex....
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By Sylph.Jkun 2013-05-09 09:02:20
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Leviathan.Kincard said: »
I don't think it'd be unfair to make the Empyreans unlock their WS at 90 and lowering the requirements for Coin weapons. For a bunch of jobs getting their Empyrean WS is going to be basically a requirement. >_>

Since you get the WS at 85, why not 85? It's probably just as difficult to 85 an Empyrean as it is to 99 a Coin weapon. I haven't tried the latter, though.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2013-05-09 09:03:46
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I'm honesty not sure how hard a 99 coin is these days since they apparently nuked WoE really hard and made pouches drop there now. 85 or 90 would both work, but the main idea is that it'd be pretty absurd to ask Empyrean 85/90 owners to either start over or spend 100M to get a weapon skill.
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