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By Carbuncle.Sambb 2013-05-08 14:03:08
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
for zergs you don't need /THF , /THF was only a thing if you were needing to finish off a raged field NM because you didnt kill it fast for whatever reason or didnt know the gimmick to break its pdt/etc.

Properly executed zergs with dd going /war, stuff like the Jagil NM in foret goes down in 3-4minutes. Raptor can die in 1-2min.

For delve runs sam and drk come /war cause Agressor is your new best friend (as well as a thf doing feint). DRKs need to stop coming /sam and only landing 1-2hits of their resos.
From an epeen perspective, SAM is king with the new GK, shoha w/ mala+windbuffet proc = 8500+ eating sushi >.>;

Samurai is pretty beast in there... the att bonus on shoha favours them so much when using sushi. Drks suffer because of resos att penalty and its more apparent in delve. However using /war is the way I go for drk. Your survivablity goes down the toilet some what but I am able to keep up with samurais I run with with some excellent mage support. We normally jostle between 1st/3rd.

Gear is extremely important and beefing up your acc in ws is also a must. It is very likely the drks are whiffing some reso hits. It is painful when your doing a run and you see people that are lacking.. its painful to watch... how we are supposed to "accommodate" these people like SE wants is any ones guess....
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By Lye 2013-05-08 14:09:45
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Is it not likely that the "accommodate newer players" was an acute response to a post on the JP forums?

I feel like it's getting blown out of proportion.
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2013-05-08 14:23:41
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maybe that's why there are so many new gears with WS accuracy +10.
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By Phoenix.Upbeatglitch 2013-05-08 14:29:37
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Lye said: »
Grav 2 is -40 eva in a single cast. Rarely resisted by my naked rdm mule.

Don't forget about Saboteur, Estoqueur's Sayon +2, and Estoqueur's Gantherots +2!

Should be around -100 eva total and unless the mob has a way to erase(Like the scorpion) Saboteur will usually be up right around when gravity finally wears off.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-05-08 15:37:40
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100 pages!

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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-05-08 15:56:07
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
The customer isn't always right, and hundreds of posts on this website, and the OF are prime justifications as to why.

Okay, okay, that phrase is criminally misunderstood. What it means is that the customer is the ultimate authority on what they want. It is designed to remind businesspeople/CSRs that will inevitably be more knowledgeable about their products than the consumers that those consumers will not be pleased by the CSRs exercising their sophistication without the consumer asking for assistance, regardless of whether the consumer ends up getting a better product/deal out of the exchange.

Masters in Business Administration: So Easy a Caveman Can Do It!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-08 15:57:20
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I ALMOST went into more depth on it Scae, but decided not to about halfway through, and cropped my post to that sentence.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-05-08 15:58:44
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Okay, you are a smart dude so I have no trouble believing you got this :)

I just see people debate that phrase a lot and nobody seems like they understand what they're actually supposed to be taking away from it.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-08 16:02:47
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I probably don't have the command of it that you do, but I understand it has a deeper context than simply "the customer is right." It's about the disposition that a customer service representative has to maintain when interacting with their clients.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-05-08 16:06:54
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Yeah, mostly it's just driving towards the point that nothing will lose you a repeat client faster than pushing an upsell too hard.

It's one thing to sell them an additional product on top of what they came to you to buy (like my brother-in-law selling detailing at his car wash, for instance), but trying to get somebody to buy something more expensive instead of the thing they specifically came to you to buy is incredibly grating and will either piss the customer off and lose you the sale or leave them feeling weak and guilty if they fall for your pitch.
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By Lye 2013-05-08 16:17:23
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Would you like fries with that? = OK!

Would you like to supersize for a dollar more? = NEVER!!!!
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-05-08 16:19:36
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Sort of.

It's more like, "wouldn't you rather get a grilled chicken sandwich, fatty?"

More importantly, when you ask if they want fries you're providing them with further options to enhance the experience they wanted when they walked in. You are diversifying the range of services you provide, and thus are more likely to get a repeat customer (even though this example is facile because everybody knows you can get fries and indeed it's more noticeable when you can't).
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By Lye 2013-05-08 16:22:21
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If I only had a dollar every time THAT happened to me.
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By Cerberus.Logical 2013-05-08 23:09:28
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Nope. I'm not buying these Dev posts, Squeenix. I, like so many others, resubbed after a nice break, but I'm letting my three accounts expire shortly, and here's why: For me, it's not about the "loss" of emps - I very fortunately invested in shields on pld instead of dem buttcheek slappin Rags. I just have no faith in Matsui and his apes, as they sit at SE HQ, trying to launch and direct a new expansion on time with some very poorly planned content. I frankly just don't trust them with my $38.85 a month anymore. Abyssea was a radical change, but it still allowed for some degree of parallel progression. Voidwatch wasn't particularly fun, but it did have some redeeming qualities, in that a wide array of jobs were included, and it was very shout-conducive. This REM debacle, the overall questionable structure of Delve, and their decision to implement a hard time cap is an antiquated way of thinking about this game that does not benefit our evolved low-man mentality. But I put up with all of that, until I came across this gem of a quote today:

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We'd really be grateful if those of you who are experienced could invite these newcomers to take on this content when you have the ability to do so.


This is the Dev Team's solution to our concern over Delve's accessibility to casual/moderate players? Just "play nice" and "include the fat freckled kid with glasses on the playground, now." Disregard the fact that your grade school recess metaphor will consist of a world-class team of Dodgeball enthusiasts named Chuck, Steve, and Larry pelting you, just invite the Aurore DNCs!

I've thought many times that they have no solid idea of what they're even doing. I doubted Tanaka constantly with barance, like we all did, but this is a new low. This must be how new divorcees feel after departing from an abusive relationship (XI addiction) in which their partner (Dev Team) constantly beats them (poor content patches) and uses passive-aggressive verbal abuse (Matsui: Stop it guys, your legitimate complaining is giving me an ulcer!).

Dem ranty shoes.
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By Cerberus.Corphish 2013-05-08 23:10:56
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Logical, gimme your gils!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-08 23:31:40
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My only issue at the moment is that they made the game unfriendly for me. I don't have a fixed schedule so joining a LS is out of question.
Shouts in general are dry or ask for the same jobs I have never had any intention of touching.

Thankfully there is still Salvage II but Delve is pretty much out of reach at this point. Skirmish and Wilkeeper Reives already were, Adoulin isn't really the best thing I have experienced.

I won't be canceling yet but once Salvage II is done, I don't really know what this game has to offer in term of available progress.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Avengers 2013-05-09 00:25:42
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Cerberus.Logical said: »
Nope. I'm not buying these Dev posts, Squeenix. I, like so many others, resubbed after a nice break, but I'm letting my three accounts expire shortly, and here's why: For me, it's not about the "loss" of emps - I very fortunately invested in shields on pld instead of dem buttcheek slappin Rags. I just have no faith in Matsui and his apes, as they sit at SE HQ, trying to launch and direct a new expansion on time with some very poorly planned content. I frankly just don't trust them with my $38.85 a month anymore. Abyssea was a radical change, but it still allowed for some degree of parallel progression. Voidwatch wasn't particularly fun, but it did have some redeeming qualities, in that a wide array of jobs were included, and it was very shout-conducive. This REM debacle, the overall questionable structure of Delve, and their decision to implement a hard time cap is an antiquated way of thinking about this game that does not benefit our evolved low-man mentality. But I put up with all of that, until I came across this gem of a quote today:

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We'd really be grateful if those of you who are experienced could invite these newcomers to take on this content when you have the ability to do so.


This is the Dev Team's solution to our concern over Delve's accessibility to casual/moderate players? Just "play nice" and "include the fat freckled kid with glasses on the playground, now." Disregard the fact that your grade school recess metaphor will consist of a world-class team of Dodgeball enthusiasts named Chuck, Steve, and Larry pelting you, just invite the Aurore DNCs!

I've thought many times that they have no solid idea of what they're even doing. I doubted Tanaka constantly with barance, like we all did, but this is a new low. This must be how new divorcees feel after departing from an abusive relationship (XI addiction) in which their partner (Dev Team) constantly beats them (poor content patches) and uses passive-aggressive verbal abuse (Matsui: Stop it guys, your legitimate complaining is giving me an ulcer!).

Dem ranty shoes.

well said, well said
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-09 02:00:41
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Carbuncle.Sambb said: »
Valefor.Sapphire said: »
for zergs you don't need /THF , /THF was only a thing if you were needing to finish off a raged field NM because you didnt kill it fast for whatever reason or didnt know the gimmick to break its pdt/etc.

Properly executed zergs with dd going /war, stuff like the Jagil NM in foret goes down in 3-4minutes. Raptor can die in 1-2min.

For delve runs sam and drk come /war cause Agressor is your new best friend (as well as a thf doing feint). DRKs need to stop coming /sam and only landing 1-2hits of their resos.
From an epeen perspective, SAM is king with the new GK, shoha w/ mala+windbuffet proc = 8500+ eating sushi >.>;

Samurai is pretty beast in there... the att bonus on shoha favours them so much when using sushi. Drks suffer because of resos att penalty and its more apparent in delve. However using /war is the way I go for drk. Your survivablity goes down the toilet some what but I am able to keep up with samurais I run with with some excellent mage support. We normally jostle between 1st/3rd.

Gear is extremely important and beefing up your acc in ws is also a must. It is very likely the drks are whiffing some reso hits. It is painful when your doing a run and you see people that are lacking.. its painful to watch... how we are supposed to "accommodate" these people like SE wants is any ones guess....
If your DRKs are having accuracy problems, they're doing it wrong/using wrong food/etc. (assuming these are pick-up DRKs)

DRK is King in the Accuracy department, so any substantial boost to accuracy will increase DRK's output.
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By Sylph.Jkun 2013-05-09 02:38:50
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Quetzacoatl said: »
DRK is King in the Accuracy department, so any substantial boost to accuracy will increase DRK's output.

If I knew 5 years ago, some guy on some forum would say this and for it to actually be true I would have kicked them in the face and told them to stop dreaming.

I go to Delve on DRK/SAM and have little accuracy problems with Sushi. I even wear an NQ Adaman Hauberk, oh the horror.
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-09 02:48:47
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Sylph.Jkun said: »
Quetzacoatl said: »
DRK is King in the Accuracy department, so any substantial boost to accuracy will increase DRK's output.

If I knew 5 years ago, some guy on some forum would say this and for it to actually be true I would have kicked them in the face and told them to stop dreaming.

I go to Delve on DRK/SAM and have little accuracy problems with Sushi. I even wear an NQ Adaman Hauberk, oh the horror.
That's what I did tonight, especially with my Apoc (lol95, no money for marrows ; ;), since it's the only high-acc weapon I even have to use + merits. I had this superstition that something was going to happen with GSwords for some reason, which is why I don't have a Ragnarok, heh.

Although, I've been using Marinara Pizza +1 to add a little bit of Attack+ due to /SAM. I'll have to use Sushi next time and see if it makes more of a difference. I actually somehow kept up with the Bloodbath Axe WAR in my party...according to scoreboard anyways
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2013-05-09 03:08:06
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Quetzacoatl said: »
Sylph.Jkun said: »
Quetzacoatl said: »
DRK is King in the Accuracy department, so any substantial boost to accuracy will increase DRK's output.

If I knew 5 years ago, some guy on some forum would say this and for it to actually be true I would have kicked them in the face and told them to stop dreaming.

I go to Delve on DRK/SAM and have little accuracy problems with Sushi. I even wear an NQ Adaman Hauberk, oh the horror.
That's what I did tonight, especially with my Apoc (lol95, no money for marrows ; ;), since it's the only high-acc weapon I even have to use + merits. I had this superstition that something was going to happen with GSwords for some reason, which is why I don't have a Ragnarok, heh.

Although, I've been using Marinara Pizza +1 to add a little bit of Attack+ due to /SAM. I'll have to use Sushi next time and see if it makes more of a difference. I actually somehow kept up with the Bloodbath Axe WAR in my party...according to scoreboard anyways

For GS it's simple, people used Ragnarok cause it was the best weapon to use Resolution with. But Resolution is a common ws, so Ragnarok was exposed to this risk since the start.
If you have Apoc it's mainly for its utility, you won't choose a higher base dmg scythe since you could use a GS and beside dmg the new scythes have no utility. So you'll still use your Apoc while Ragnarok is going to storage. I don't regret I've made Ragnarok though.
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By Quetzacoatl 2013-05-09 03:36:42
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
For GS it's simple, people used Ragnarok cause it was the best weapon to use Resolution with. But Resolution is a common ws, so Ragnarok was exposed to this risk since the start.

Ageed wholeheartedly, Reso's inception was the primary reason to even own a Ragnarok in the first place

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If you have Apoc it's mainly for its utility, you won't choose a higher base dmg scythe since you could use a GS and beside dmg the new scythes have no utility. So you'll still use your Apoc while Ragnarok is going to storage. I don't regret I've made Ragnarok though.

I wouldn't regret making a Ragnarok either. But after Apoc, let's just say I needed a break from Dynamis :p
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By Ragnarok.Daffel 2013-05-09 04:58:59
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Cerberus.Logical said: »
Nope. I'm not buying these Dev posts, Squeenix. I, like so many others, resubbed after a nice break, but I'm letting my three accounts expire shortly, and here's why: For me, it's not about the "loss" of emps - I very fortunately invested in shields on pld instead of dem buttcheek slappin Rags. I just have no faith in Matsui and his apes, as they sit at SE HQ, trying to launch and direct a new expansion on time with some very poorly planned content. I frankly just don't trust them with my $38.85 a month anymore. Abyssea was a radical change, but it still allowed for some degree of parallel progression.

Cancelled my Sub yesterday for the exact same reason. I really enjoyed abyssea though. I still remember my LS's first attempt at 18 man Carabosse not long after it was released. "Hey! This is painfully easy. I will have my gems in no time > Carabosse uses Benediction > as[0ihfw408tys[dhWTFISHAPPENING > That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over, what the *** are we supposed to now."

I'm sure I will be back if SE give me a reason to come back. I really enjoy playing WHM and SAM though. While I lost all motivation to finish my plates/cinders and apparently WHM needs completely regearing now... (finished AF+1 hands and got them in my cure set 3 days ago)

The new PUP buffs give me hope that SE will buff weaker jobs and (maybe) have a clue what the game needs. Muh will find out in time anyway.

Tdlr: Will see how it goes how it goes.
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By macsdf1 2013-05-09 05:14:08
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What regearing does a whm need?
why not just get brand new gkt that will be better than the one you never finished with way less effort?
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By Odin.Creaucent 2013-05-09 05:18:26
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I see all the delve crap has flooded into here seriously though idk why people are bitching about delve NMs... oh wait yes I do their gear sucks thats why you cant have shiney things. Moth 1/3 12min fight, pugil 5min fight, orobon 8mins, peiste 7mins, raptor 7mins and scorp took us an hour but we didnt really plan for that and was our first fight. We went 1/1 apart for the moth and as you can see they were all within the time limit no delve weapons either. We did try the gnat once but we got bored after it raged at 40% could have probably killed it but we warped out. We havent bothered trying to do NMs in the fracture yet we have just been doing a load of farming runs for peoples plasm.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-09 05:20:44
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macsdf1 said: »
What regearing does a whm need?
why not just get brand new gkt that will be better than the one you never finished with way less effort?
Because it may be obsolete in a week.

We reached a point where we don't know what the *** is going to happen. Before this, we knew that every update was either slight upgrade in gear or sidegrades, but weapons were untouched.

They entered the "we *** with your weapons" area, we're not safe anymore regarding any of the 16 slots we have. Very much like when Abyssea came out, it is far from a bad idea to take a break right now and come back when the game is stable.

Of course it may be stable now, we just aren't sure 100% and for anyone not able to actively do Delve, it's a much higher waste of time than someone who has a lot of time to spend on the game or has access to Delve clearance easily.

Priorities in life, etc.
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By Afania 2013-05-09 05:27:04
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Odin.Creaucent said: »
I see all the delve crap has flooded into here seriously though idk why people are bitching about delve NMs... oh wait yes I do their gear sucks thats why you cant have shiney things. Moth 1/3 12min fight, pugil 5min fight, orobon 8mins, peiste 7mins, raptor 7mins and scorp took us an hour but we didnt really plan for that and was our first fight.


That's not really what happened when I tried Delve NMs XD I logged on(on a time I normally don't play just to join /shout), joined a /shout, wait for 30 min+ to 18/18, then wait for 90 min for 18 ppl gather at pop spot, and fight took much longer than just a few min like you said. Of course that was before update and now I don't have time to spend 2hr waiting for an ally only to fail anymore.

Most of the time I play have 0 Delve /shout going though.
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By Odin.Tsuneo 2013-05-09 05:31:07
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I don't get what you're trying to say. Your groups obviously sucked which was his point.
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