2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

I know the diffrence between belief and knowledge. Your 2nd post that replied to me didnt say that you would tell them your beliefs then teach them what you know. It was diffrent and tbh I can tell youre pretty bitter and nasty just from the way you reply so irrigardless of your reply after this i won't be responding.

You apparently don't if I have to sit here and explain this to you.

I'm not bitter or nasty, but you're more than welcome to think so.

Before you lose your mind I didn't say I believe the same as them so pull the panties outa the wad. My point was it was and is thier own belief good or bad and they look at it as if it is gods will it will be done. I know you wouldnt understand that because I'd lay money on you have never the bible. Also just because you don't see it fit doesn't mean that's someone elses way or beliefs. Like I said IF IT WAS NATURAL CAUSES there shouldn't be an issue because it is THEIR BELIEFS. The government has no say if it is natural causes. Now again if it was neglect like not feeding them or living in horrible conditions that causes their death then yes by all means. However, do you believe the government should force you to medicate your children with ADD drugs even if you don't believe they help? Personally I would never let the government tell me I have to do something that I don't think helps. I'm not to sure you all know this but not everyone wants the best for other people out there and only want to profit. Whatever that might be from lab grown foods that are harmful to the body or medication that "THEY" deed safe. It's purely profit. So if someone doesn't believe medication helps then they should not be forced to use them on their children.

you are free to practice any religion as long its does not harm others or yourself. Sacrificing animals /humans and i consider this sacrificing a human is against the law. now animal sacrifice you can get a permit for that. but what these people did was child neglect child endangerment, murder in he 2nd, manslaughter,negligence and more. wrapping this stupidity under the guise of freedom of religion is a joke.

Impressive for the number of posts in less than 10 hours.

All I can say is that churches that demand human sacrifice, even if disguised as "faith healing", are criminal organizations and fully complicit in the demise of any parishioners or their minor children.

No, as a mater of fact I didn't read the whole thread. Or anything save the OP.

I've read the bible back to front. I was raised on the foundation of the seven sacraments so please save me "the government has no say if it is natural causes."

This is neglect and involuntary man slaughter, I'd even go as far as considering this endangerment to public health/safety. Refusing to provide children with medication for a condition that is easily treatable is neglect.

This is not how "religious freedom" works

Welcome to being just another sheep. Yes the government always wants whats best for use right.

Bacon, this is a SECOND OFFENSE. They killed another of their children earlier.

IMHO that makes murder 2.

Yes this is exactly how it works. This is extreme but yes it is. "Now I don't agree with it". I don't believe that people living in their parents basement getting fat eating McDonald's all day playing video games is a way of life but, Should the government make all them get off their fat *** and run everyday too?

Yikes!

But...but.... my religion said that an exorcism would SAVE MY CHILD! Get me that priest from The Exorcism of Emily Rose, only the best for my child!

A sheep is what I would call most religious fundamentalists. Most fundamentalists have never read the bible back to front. Rather they have been spoon fed nonsense from a religious leader and "his interpretations" of the bible.

Look I am not saying [insert deity] is/are not capable of miracles. But they are exactly just that miracles. One of the core concepts of Christianity is that you don't assume God will directly grant prayer, because the work of God is beyond human comprehension.


Christ/God is not a genie in a bottle that you clasp your hands and get what you want.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Not only are you wrong, you're insanely and idiotically wrong. You misunderstand the nature of neglect and medical care, and conflate the issues of necessary medical attention and religious freedom.

If your ignorance LITERALLY causes the death of your own children, then yes: The government should and is allowed to step in and *** slap your ignorant ***.

Please, in the future, when deciding whether to contribute to a thread, topic, or conversation, just keep your opinions to yourself. Go forth from here, obtain an education, and then slap yourself for being the intellectual equivalent of a toothpick.

I suppose you're also supportive of rampant female genital mutilation in Africa because someone "believes" in it too.

You clearly know me based off the one time we've interacted. Pay the *** up because I've read the Bible. I used to go to church 3 day s a week, every week so try again. They did neglect the kids. Those babies were laying around dying and the parents let them.

They died of neglect. Your foil hat doesn't make it ok for those parents to let their kids die. The government might not get to make the call on natural cause of death, but an autopsy can.

You're a loon and I'm already over talking to you.

Faith healing should be the last resort(there are no other alternatives, or the meds aren't going to be efficient), because frankly when you reach such a point in your health you have nothing left to save you except a MIRACLE.

The day I am on my death bed I can assure you I will have a priest/nun drenching me in holy water. Until then medical science exists for a reason.

Ignoring all othr aspects -- "Religious Freedom" also doesn't give you the "right" to violate the terms of probation

In other words these people agreed to terms set by the court in order to not go to jail and / or be able to keep their other child

In this case the terms of their 10 year probation included that they seek medical attention for their children

well... well what about this one guy that said this?!? idk who the hell you are talking about that you would like to represent all Christians. Sounds like you are asking me to defend the Westboro Baptist Church perhaps; no I will not be doing that. Allowing your opinion of one person shape and define your opinion on an entire group is the definition of bigotry. This is what you feel towards Christians because of the words and actions of a few, bigotry.

I find the more I listen to to arguements against Christians, the inflammatory rhetoric and intolerance directed at them it always points to the same thing. In the end when it's all boiled down to the root of someone's anger at Christians; it ends up being the love of penis in one way or another that's at the root of someone's hatred.

Actually, I just think they're deluded.

Seriously? A collection of 2-3000 year old stories tells you how to live your life? You might as well make offerings to Greek gods.

At least the Mormons have something a little more contemporary.

I only have a problem with Christians (or any other religious group) who use Christianity (or any other religion) to justify their bigotry, so I guess we agree.

But your original question was posed as if these people do not exist so I just wanted to be sure you weren't in conservative ***-the-facts lala land as usual

And people don't like being told what to do. I get it. We live in a pleasure driven society, and quick gratification at that. If it feels good we wanna do it and we don't like people telling us that we shouldn't do it. This is the appeal that those driving a secular agenda have. They appeal to our simple carnal pleasures, sexual gratification without consequences, our envy, our laziness and so on.

The bible, imo, is supposed to be taken like Aesop's Fables. It's a collecting of writings that teach lessons/ethics, it's not supposed to be taken literally.

I call it "Jewish mythology."

(inb4 christians aren't jews wut?!?!?)

I'm sure you'd love Shariah law then

Your analogies are always so extreme. No I would not like Shariah law. You cannot even compare Christians to Muslim extremists. I do not know why you keep trying.

That's quazi-insulting to both Jews and Catholics just fyi.
Christians/Catholics aren't Jews. You're opening a whole different can of worms....

But you do seem to be saying that we should base the law of the land on a single religion - how is it really different

I dont know how a story about two morons murdering two of their children turned into a giant religious debate.

Let's just pick a year 2005 maybe, i don't know pick your own. How many Christians murdered people that did not adhere to their beliefs simply because they did not adhere to their beliefes? Same question then for Muslim extremists. Are the numbers close?

Next how many homosexuals were murdered by Christians because they were gay. How many were murdered by Muslims for being gay. ***, how many were stoned for being gay?

Christians are literally being crucified in Egypt as they are being driven out by a government that "we" support. Iran denies that homosexuals even exist in Iran, perhaps they are right because they kill them all.

Maybe we should take all the religions of the world and morph them into one super religion called Islchrisjewbudclickclickism.