2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

Medicine/science find truth based on qualitative/quantitative analysis. I can't say the same about religion per-se.

Whether Christians care to admit it, there was a time where exorcisms where standard to "religious medicine" and that had no truth behind it. The Church has since condemned exorcisms and what not. The point being there was a point, and I still think there is a point to which religion and medicine find themselves at odds.

You're on the internet boss, go listen to your elected officials or something? Or hell, turn the TV on Sunday Morning and listen to the live entertainment.

The elected officials who declare this country was founded by Christians for Christians and that everyone else is less than dirt.
Or that the Bible must be taught in schools as it is the truth.
Or that the 10 commandments must be on public property.
Or that public money should be put towards "faith based" (Christian onry) initiatives.
Or that the Earth was created in 7 days.
Or that slavery was OK cause black people got "civilized".
Or that we should kill gays.
Or that we should "take action" regarding people of differing faiths.

Like it or not, these people identify as Christian and since the only litmus test for that label is believing that Jesus died for your sins and will be back you can't deny them the label. Perhaps we should set up a government program to determine who are real Christians? I'm thinking a bloated bureaucracy with plenty of overpaid workers administering exams and charging exorbitant fees for the right to display your "Christian License".


And? Radical Islam is the same crazy ***category being peddled by some of our "Christian" elected officials. Wanna talk about crazy Islam? Make a thread for it cause this isn't the place.

I don't discriminate in my distaste for those who want to erode our religious freedoms in this country and that freedom includes being free from religious nutjobs. You're free to practice w/e and make your own decisions but you aren't free to *** up my life cause "God" said so or inject your unsubstantiated claims into the realm of education or the sciences.

The only thing keeping the Christian Taliban from being just like their decapitating, women hating, education fearing, life ruining psychopathic cousins is the reasonable people in West who reject the *** and represent all ends of the political spectrum to maintain civil society. That means continuing to reinforce that church/state bulwark.

Um, how old is her child.
You don't need much education at all to teach a child to read write and subtract. Not even a GED!
You do need education to teach...middle school level. GED should be bare minimum. And high school would need higher learning.

I was in pre-med at penn state while dating someone with chronic migraines. She had them for 11 years and had seen every medical doctor possible. Her neurologist gave her morphine, perc, etc. Nothing really helped. I suggested a chiropractic quack as a last resort. She went for an adjustment, nothing happened. She kept going for adjustments for three times a week for two weeks. On the third week of her adjustments she had headaches 3 days a week less. On week four she no longer had headaches. I rejected my acceptance to medical school and became a chiropractor. I'm poor now, but I'm still happy with my decision. I just wanted to tell you this because your comment hit home.

Valid point, but I'll clarify what I meant. By no means do the two groups reach "truth" by the same method, I just said that truth is what both ultimately seek. As far as exorcisms go, sure it seems stupid in retrospect, but with limited scientific knowledge of medicine you really can't blame them for trying. Foregoing modern medicine for exorcism exclusively, on the other hand, would be ridiculous.

There is nothing you can do... you have the right to have children... you have the right to practice religion... the only thing you can do is react to a situation like this... There's plenty of tragic situations around the states alone that make you wish you could do something but you really can't unless you're ready to take away people's rights...

What position do you take on any crime... you hope to raise awareness... put in place punishments as deterrents and really hope for the best...

She's had five in six years! Her husband also tried to introduce polygamy into their marriage when she caught him cheating while pregnant with their last.

When I say her husband is FUBAR, I mean it!

*** that guy.

I'm assuming the locks in their house face in, cause there is no other excuse for continuing that path.

Why are we saying *** that guy now?

Then I disagree. You would rather do nothing a let the problem persist because there is no easy solution to this problem. Rights are taken and compromised every day for far less worthy endeavors and some just out of greed. They are not absolute, they do change and to hide behind them instead of dealing with a tough problem is a pretty weak excuse to me. Progress isn't a pretty road but it is far better than stagnation my friend.

As for crime, that isn't as hard as people may think. The main driver of crime is poverty and lack of education. You give opportunties and activities for people to do and crime drops. The problem is there is no money for these things so it has to be a community effort which is also hard because there are usually divided by pety things. But you see the difference, I can answer your question with solutions instead of saying there can be nothing done.

The regulation you seem to condone is completely impractical and unethical. Coming up with a totally ridiculous solution for a problem is essentially doing nothing as well.

uggg, read more of my back post. I DO NOT condone it. I simply said hearing about this makes me wonder/consider it. I am all ears for people to start proposing other posibble alternatives which seem to be lacking.

If you don't like something fine. What else? Thats when you hear the pin drop. You have no solutions? No. What should we do? Nothing. Uggg lol

I'd disagree with both of these statements.

They're not designed around the same basic concept.

Religion is saying "this is how it is, deal with it" not subject to change, illogical.

science is the search, and is subject to change, logical.

I disagree with the second part, partially. As all forms of religion by default reject science, it's in their nature. Yet religion isn't the cause, it's the product of the issue at hand.

Disclaimer: obviously this is all opinion, based upon observation. If you want to discuss the points, then fine. If you want to *** because you don't like me, then don't bother.

If the word faith is involved, you're entirely correct Ject.

So you think the right path is to take away someones rights to have a child? Progress should be a pretty road as it leads to a better outcome... taking away peoples right for something they may do is not progess that's oppression...

So your solution to crime is to give them something to do? and what create opportunities out of the blue? Then immediately shoot your own idea down because there isn't enough money to go around and then just tell a community that they need to do it for themselves? What?

Didn't read the whole thing, but my take on vaccinations is:

depends on the vaccine, I probably wouldn't want to give anyone a vaccine that is experimental, or is brand new. But that is me.

Personally I do question when all of our advanced medicine/hygiene is going to catch up to us and give us a nasty superbacteria (or virus) and make like the plague. But I don't sit around worrying about it, and I still got a flu shot a few months ago (to be fair, it was free, and I had the choice of that or wear a mask at work...)

blind faith.

Science was born out of Religion's desire to find proof that they were in fact, correct about their beliefs. Ever since, there's been an ever increasing gap between the two, not only in methods used, but in what is ultimately discovered.

End result is Science has proved many of their initial and other assorted big claims completely bogus. Oh hey, remember when religions preached that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the globe was flat on all sides?

Come on, Science is really the *** child of Religion, and has helped progress man much farther than ever anticipated, at an ever increasing rate.

I do believe the two can still closely intermingle. Do we want answers, do we want moral values, or do we want to have our cake (which is made by delicious science), and enjoy eating it as well? (which would be the moral pleasure of something palatable)

In this case doing nothing would be a step up from taking the path you're wondering/considering...

That may very well be the case. I am not denying that. The fact is I am open to findng a better way in dealing with this which is 10 steps up from you just saying we have rights and doing nothing.

I'd think just about anyone is open to find a better way of dealing with it... the current thoughts on it aren't any better than the way it is though... nor does it solve the issue at hand... just because someone would rather not take a step back to create the appearance that they're moving forward does not mean they're not open to a viable soultion...

Condone was the wrong word then, sorry.

You seem to want some direct, straightforward solution for ignorance. There isn't one. There's isn't a bill we can pass that will rid people of idiocy. The best we can do is make sure the opportunity to educate ones self is readily available so archaic practices such as faith healing gradually die off.

We can't save everyone from themselves.

science was not created by religion in any sense, it was created as a way of testing assumptions and answering the questions religion claimed to already have the answers to. science is the result of religion seeking to militantly stop free thought.

there are ways of controlling the spread of blatantly false public information. you have freedom of speech but you don't have the freedom to choose your own facts and pray on weak or stupid people.

I agree but you said "There is nothing you can do" did you not? That implies not moving forward. Now if that is not what you meant which seems to be the case now, then as said we can agree on that.

honestly, that's highly subjective.

A lot of people consider the same about other issues people are trying to regulate even right now. It doesn't mean that they're horrible ideas, but sometimes they might be, and the current situation may be even better than what's proposed.

There's still people that believe in total anarchy, there's people that believe in total fascism. Most of us want a healthy middle, yet nobody can agree where the "healthy" is, and there are constant battles in both directions.

There are limited ways to control false information. The food industry, for example, must follow proper labeling on their products. Private citizens are not held to such a standard (nor should they be) and are protected by their first amendment rights*. There's nothing we can or should do to shut up the Jenny McCarthys and Glenn Becks that love to spew falsehoods as fact. Again, the best we can do is make sure the proper information is accessible to the public.

Edit: *Slander and libel aside.

No, what I want is solutions to problems. You guys have took 1 sentence and run with it, ignored everything else I said around it and keep coming back to that like that is my official stance. What I was thinking is I see all kinds of things today that are restricted until people can prove they are able/capable of doing that task. So I was thinking shouldn't there be something similar for rising kids which could be one of the most challenging things a person could do so we can lessen events like this and many more? While thinking that, I put down my comment. I already said this situation is not an easy simple thing to deal with. You can go hunting the old post for verification.

Unfortunately people like Glenn will usually be heard, as they're yelling loud, playing on people fears and actually looking up information instead of having it spoon fed to you requires work, and or the ability to discern quality sources.