2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

Can you show me where in America Muslim groups have often been persecuted? I see often non-Muslim Americans bending over backwards to not offend Muslims and/or be called bigots. Persecution I have not seen. The only place I see Muslims getting persecuted is by other Muslims in the Middle East over slight disagreements in the Koran.

We have racial persecution here in the states. not so much religion

They were on year 4 of the 10 year probation... First child passed sometime in 2009...

This happened in the US:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/us/redress-weighed-for-forced-sterilizations-in-north-carolina.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&;

There's a town in Michigan where Muslims discriminate against other religions, actually.

for the past, almost twelve years, I've witnessed people generally calling muslims terrorists... There's been complaints filed against the police for targeting muslims when investigating terrorstic attacks without justification...

I see people beinding over backwards to not offend anyone lol... our society is like that now that when we are in public we are looked down upon when displaying hatred or bigotry unless sourrounded by a group of likeminded people...

Bahahahaha, want to see persecution and terrorism is? Look at the civil rights movement. This water down joke people call persecution now is sad. Anyway, sad for these kids and others that go through this crap or worst from crazy people. ***like this makes me wonder and consider if there should be some kind of mental requirement to make sure people are fit to be parents because *** up parents tend to breed *** up kids and the cycle repeats.

Park51 mosque says hi.

Sounds like the future some people on these boards envisioned for the world... I'm pretty shocked that it was happening here for a time... I hadn't heard anything about this before...

Linkk proved my point lol...

i say let an AIDS carrier rape these assclowns till they catch it, then we can watch them try to "pray" it away till they friggin drop in agony. if you're not gonna be a responsible adult, then you don't deserve to be allow to reproduce...

It's interesting that you say this I went to a high school with a small Iranian population. It was mainly white and asian. And I know that a lot of the Iranian kids got called "terrorists," but it was done in a joking manner.

I always wondered if it effected them as adults after HS.

ugh wtf?! HIV/AIDS not a joking matter. Don't juxtapose the two. Very tasteless statement.

yeah yeah... we already got the infect them and let them pray it away... I love how people are so willing to speak out and become just as bad as the offenders... the whole point of our justice system is to be above those we punish... not sink to their level...

What point is that?

Did you clicky on Sylows link? They forced sterilization on people they thought were unfit to be parents... then you went on about how you wondered if there should be some mental requirement to be a parent..

Weren't a few of us joking about this yesterday? :/

Damn you, Pleebo! What divinity do you possess?!?

Ask and ye shall receive, I suppose.

/backreads

Ahh, Well the stuff you see makes me wonder. It's not like I don't see the huge conflict here or how would such a thing be implemented/enforced and all the potential problems that goes along with it. But how many more horror stories must we hear before some sort of action is taken. And here are thousands that go on every day that we don’t hear.

I recommend against it. :x

He was behind it from the start... Just like I'm fairly certain that he was behind the JFK shooting.

Had no idea God had anything to do with it. I don't remember the Bible verse about him paying Jesus' way through med school.

Just teasing.

These people make religion look terrible... Religion isn't itself bad, but people like this are ruining the world.

I PLEAD THE FIF

How can we take that kind of action? How can any one of us sit there and say you are not allowed to have a child of your own? What if they develop a standardized test and list requirements you need to possess otherwhise you are precluded from having a child... What happens when you or someone you care about gets put on that list?

Ahhh, if these people are doing what they believe is the right thing based on what the religion says, then ahh yeah, religion is the problem. Don't confuse people who seem to be more practical and ignore the crazier parts of their religion from the people who don't and think religion is not the source.

God made universe (physics/chemistry behind said universe as well)
God made man
Man learns science/medicine
Man cures disease...

Faith healing is for when you don't have access to other tools to get you better. Miracles happen when science fails and can be tested to show whatever it was, has been cured. Miracles (real ones) can be proven (by medical professionals) and later, duplicated as just another part of science.

My grandmother believes doctors kill people, and says her cancer is cured...she still has all the signs that she has cancer and will not go to the doctor... There is nothing I can do for her since grandpa won't let us take her by force. /sob

If you don't believe the first two lines, whatever but it's hard to disagree with the second two.

I find it amusing that religion is considered anything but the human condition. It does not exist autonomous of sentience, and it is prey to all human flaws.

It is not religion that causes the wrong-doing, but religion is the excuse used to justify it. Even should we rid ourselves of superstition, these traits will still exist in humans - but outlining it, understanding it, and ingraining that knowledge (of the human condition) into our children is the best thing we can do to continue our progress.

People will always find a way to justify ***, and it's up to us to use logic to refute it.

I am not claiming to have the answer, it's not an easy topic and I not saying it should be done. I just said stuff like this makes me consider it. What would you do? It's easy to poke at ideas or solutions you do not like, it's a lot harder trying to find a way to deal with it that most will like. I try not to take absolutist positions on situations because I know I don’t have the answers or can predict the future.

I'm saying that we don't have the right to punish people for things they may or may not do and we do not have the right to do that...

For the most part, you hit the nail on the head. I'm a religious person and find this couple to be mind-blowingly stupid. The war between science/medicine and religion just needs to stop. They're both designed around the same basic concept - the search for truth. It's not religion itself that is at odds with science. The problem comes from making narrow-minded interpretations from religious texts that have been translated and modified countless times over the years and treating those interpretations as indisputable facts.

Yes, I got that, the rights and in general I agree. But what would you do about the sitiuation? Because what you said is the same as doing nothing while stuff like this continues. I am all ears.

You know, this is kind of off topic, but...

/deep breath

Okay...So, this is a reoccurring topic between a friend of mine and the collective grievances about the choices her sister has made regarding vaccinations for her children. Everyone knows it's a matter of choice to get your children vaccinated, but how are you not doing a disservice to not only your children, but younger children exposed to your children before they receive the recommended vaccinations as scheduled?

You would think that the idea of "loving your fellow man", and this is how we tried to make it palatable to her, would mean not exposing your little germ factories to others at the expense of their health. What's also frustrating is here, as I assume in most states, it is required that you have your child's vaccination record on hand for registration. So, when we used that angle to sway her, she told us that her husband would prefer that she home school them. Girl doesn't have a GED much less a bachelors!!! Seriously?!?

TL;DR: I have an idiot friend who's husband may as well be David Koresh part deux.