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2nd child dies after parents choose prayer
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-04-23 11:06:54
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I think once you legit buy into the idea that you have spiritual superiority over other groups (which most religions peddle) you're on the fast track to exhibiting many of the worst aspects of human behavior. The reality is that most people twist religious faith into systems that mesh with their own internal moral metrics regardless of what the official rulebook says.
I read a brilliant article that paralleled this phenomena to how fans react to changes in the canon of various media and much of it lines up. They used Star Wars as an example to make it easy enough for any dummeh to understand :P
This isn't to say you can't do horrible things without buying into a faith but lets be serious here, most people are emboldened by the tenets of their faith to do horrible things because they can utilize text to justify it. In this case the brainwashing effect of religion "don't trust yourself or anyone, trust the almighty" resulted in the death of a child. I say expose the parents to the most sick of people and let them catch something.. and see if they can just pray it away from themselves.
Best punishment I can think of, dying in agony trying to believe in something that won't help you.
Hahhaha....an eye for an eye. Seems appropriate.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-23 11:06:56
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Fundies gonna fundy.
It's just sad as per the usual behavior of fanatics that innocent people suffer from their poor actions.
Like making us all suffer with green energy policies that cost our economy jobs and make the middle class suffer with high energy costs because of global warming freaks and fanatics? Oho did it again!
But seriously how were these people still allowed to have children in their custody?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-23 11:07:36
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »I say expose the parents to the most sick of people and let them catch something.. and see if they can just pray it away from themselves.
Best punishment I can think of, dying in agony trying to believe in something that won't help you.
If you think that torturing a "true believer" will result in teaching them a lesson you're sadly mistaken. They'll accept the sickness as judgement from God and embrace their death in stride.
Remember, theres an afterlife in this system and they are entitled to it. Who cares what happens in this reality when you can be with your dead kid in the next? As far as they're concerned, they're probably proud that God chose their kid for Heaven, Earth is full of misery.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-23 11:12:57
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Ah religion, the cause of almost everything that is wrong with this world. A opinion made out of almost as much ignorance as these people not taking their kids to the doctor brought to you by Yuriki! Except they're right? I'm waiting for the research before I make my decision. In any case, these parents are horrible human beings and a waste of air, regardless of any religious connotations. Wrong again! ^^
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-04-23 11:15:55
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Ah religion, the cause of almost everything that is wrong with this world. A opinion made out of almost as much ignorance as these people not taking their kids to the doctor brought to you by Yuriki! Except they're right? I'm waiting for the research before I make my decision. In any case, these parents are horrible human beings and a waste of air, regardless of any religious connotations. Wrong again! ^^
Ok.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-04-23 11:19:18
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Valefor.Applebottoms said: »I say expose the parents to the most sick of people and let them catch something.. and see if they can just pray it away from themselves.
Best punishment I can think of, dying in agony trying to believe in something that won't help you.
If you think that torturing a "true believer" will result in teaching them a lesson you're sadly mistaken. They'll accept the sickness as judgement from God and embrace their death in stride.
Remember, theres an afterlife in this system and they are entitled to it. Who cares what happens in this reality when you can be with your dead kid in the next? As far as they're concerned, they're probably proud that God chose their kid for Heaven, Earth is full of misery. Fair enough, thought eye for an eye would be a worthy enough punishment..
Why not take the kids away and sterilize them so they can't have anymore?
Kids are safe and they can't procreate anymore because of the science that they turned away from.
Sound better?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-23 11:20:39
Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Quetzalcoatl.Waffless said: »Ah religion, the cause of almost everything that is wrong with this world. A opinion made out of almost as much ignorance as these people not taking their kids to the doctor brought to you by Yuriki! Except they're right? I'm waiting for the research before I make my decision. In any case, these parents are horrible human beings and a waste of air, regardless of any religious connotations. Wrong again! ^^
I'm with waffles on this one. A LOT of world problems stem from religious matters.
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By Cerberus.Ica 2013-04-23 11:21:31
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Fair enough, thought eye for an eye would be a worthy enough punishment..
Why not take the kids away and sterilize them so they can't have anymore?
Kids are safe and they can't procreate anymore because of the science that they turned away from.
Sound better?
Let's hope they won't be able to procreate again because they will be in prison.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2013-04-23 11:22:10
Valefor.Applebottoms said: »Boots with the fur. I concur.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-23 11:22:14
The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2013-04-23 11:22:59
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »This isn't to say you can't do horrible things without buying into a faith but lets be serious here, most people are emboldened by the tenets of their faith to do horrible things because they can utilize text to justify it. In this case the brainwashing effect of religion "don't trust yourself or anyone, trust the almighty" resulted in the death of a child.
If "most people" of faith were like that, they'd have blown up the world long ago. It's a few bad, zealous apples spoiling the bunch for everyone.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-23 11:24:49
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives.
So nobody can feel compassion for the loss of others, especially when it's due to sheer stupidity? K..
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By Siren.Kyte 2013-04-23 11:25:02
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives.
The purpose of the thread was to bash the craziest of the crazy fundamentalist Christians who essentially killed their kids.
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By Lakshmi.Neboh 2013-04-23 11:25:53
I'm a religious person myself and there's nothing wrong with faith healing. However, the Bible does also teach to go seek medical attention if you're sick. I guess this couple didn't realize that. That and they were in the wrong religion. Lulz.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2013-04-23 11:27:58
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives. 
Go on...
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2013-04-23 11:28:25
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Like making us all suffer with green energy policies that cost our economy jobs and make the middle class suffer with high energy costs because of global warming freaks and fanatics? Oho did it again!
But seriously how were these people still allowed to have children in their custody?
That has the interesting side effect of forcing the industry develop computers, appliances and household devices which consume less power.
Eventually that moves technology forward. Also you know ROHS ? That's another "awesome" thing the industry embraced quickly (means they won't put any lead, PVC, CFCs and other "harmful" substances on devices) because then things will break a lot faster. A proper recycle plan would be way more effective than making things more expensive and less reliable. Why would the industry complain about something that makes you re-buy all your things in a 5 years cycle instead of 10/15 ?
Now, back on topic: The best point given on the thread IMHO was about the kids being too young to be able to choose which kind of aid to seek.
SAD SAD story ... >.>
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-23 11:28:34
Oddly enough, only 2, maybe 3 people are attacking religion. We've already established that it was the two fundamentalists in question, and not Christianity, at the root cause of this.
These two people obviously suffer from some kind of mental illness, or defect, and the entire time have been praying in their fundamentalist faith (which actual differs from the various other sects and mainstream forms of Christianity) for God to heal them, to prevent them from being far too asinine to do the preventable in saving the second child's life.
That is probably pure speculation, but right now the only thing that actually matters is the outcome.
Some people, who have whole-heartedly disagreed with others about religion, are actually defending it. You should really change your avatar Amand, i don't like seeing you sully Sam Elliot with your ***.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-23 11:29:35
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives. So nobody can feel compassion for the loss of others, especially when it's due to sheer stupidity? K.. Coming in and stating/agreeing that most of the worlds problems stem from religion has nothing to do with compassion for the loss of others... it's more about projecting one's distaste for a group of people...
I may have missed it but I don't really see many if any offering condolences to anyone... it's more just calling the parents idiots or whatnot and bashing religion lol...
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-23 11:31:10
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives.
Right, cause religion has no effect on my life as a self-identified skeptic. Christianity gets attacked here because lo and behold most people here deal with Christians - namely the radical, Bible-beating, the founders were evangelicals, racism is OK, we gonna kill sum gays Christians.
Radical Islam is on the fringe of everyday life unless you turn the TV on and then you'll be led to believe that RADICULS R EVERYWHERE.
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By Carbuncle.Sterling 2013-04-23 11:32:59
So lets take religion out of the equation. Basically then, these parents allowed their children to die because while their child was suffering, their decided course of action was to sit with their eyes closed and their hands together for days.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-23 11:34:03
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives. So nobody can feel compassion for the loss of others, especially when it's due to sheer stupidity? K.. Coming in and stating/agreeing that most of the worlds problems stem from religion has nothing to do with compassion for the loss of others... it's more about projecting one's distaste for a group of people...
I may have missed it but I don't really see many if any offering condolences to anyone... it's more just calling the parents idiots or whatnot and bashing religion lol...
Yes I know my first comment was not in that trend, but some people here aren't just mindlessly bashing religion. But can you provide evidence that a lot of problems in the world are NOT caused by religion? I mean I realize there are some like energy sources and the economy obviously, but a lot of the major conflicts of the world and it's history have been religiously influenced. Can you dispute that?
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2013-04-23 11:34:26
Carbuncle.Sterling said: »So lets take religion out of the equation. Where's the fun in that?
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-23 11:34:51
Carbuncle.Sterling said: »So lets take religion out of the equation. Basically then, these parents allowed their children to die because while their child was suffering, their decided course of action was to sit with their eyes closed and their hands together for days.
^ This.
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By Valefor.Applebottoms 2013-04-23 11:35:52
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives.
Go on... I second this.. please, do continue.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2013-04-23 11:36:28
No one attacks christians because they're christians. They're attacked if and when they do/say something stupid. Believing otherwise is calling having a persecution complex, which is a common trait many religious people have, especially the ones who take their religion too seriously.
That said, the christian belief is attacked and ridiculed regularly and that is very justifiable.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-23 11:43:24
People can whitewash the facts if they want.
The Crusades were just territorial disputes, 9/11 was purely a political statement made by a hand of Saudi hijackers, homophobic bigots are just mentally lacking etc etc.
Or you can address the religious elements without calling everyone in that group a radicalized fundamentalist. We have nuances for a reason. Use em.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2013-04-23 11:44:06
No one attacks christians because they're christians. They're attacked if and when they do/say something stupid.
The irony is that you're saying something stupid right here. I've been verbally abused my whole life without even opening my mouth. I've had people make assumptions, or laugh in my face, just hearing that I've had associations with the church at all.
Even before I explain why I did the things I did, and their undisputable benefit to society, clowns like you make unfair generalizations and somehow claim that "someone else" sounds ignorant.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-23 11:49:51
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The whole purpose of this thread was to bash religion, specifically Christianity. Can we just be honest about that? In a world of what 7 billion people you're all gonna pretend to be effected and upset aout these two idiots. This thread was just a gateway to attack religion. Get it out of your system. Go read something else on the internet and get all upset about something that has zero effect on your lives. So nobody can feel compassion for the loss of others, especially when it's due to sheer stupidity? K.. Coming in and stating/agreeing that most of the worlds problems stem from religion has nothing to do with compassion for the loss of others... it's more about projecting one's distaste for a group of people... I may have missed it but I don't really see many if any offering condolences to anyone... it's more just calling the parents idiots or whatnot and bashing religion lol... Yes I know my first comment was not in that trend, but some people here aren't just mindlessly bashing religion. But can you provide evidence that a lot of problems in the world are NOT caused by religion? I mean I realize there are some like energy sources and the economy obviously, but a lot of the major conflicts of the world and it's history have been religiously influenced. Can you dispute that? I can dispute that actually... very easily too... just take a look at American history...
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By Odin.Eikechi 2013-04-23 11:50:31
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »People can whitewash the facts if they want.
The Crusades were just territorial disputes, 9/11 was purely a political statement made by a hand of Saudi hijackers, homophobic bigots are just mentally lacking etc etc.
Or you can address the religious elements without calling everyone in that group a radicalized fundamentalist. We have nuances for a reason. Use em.
The very definition of crusade is a sort of a holy war. Yeah, territorial disputes to take back a "holy land". Yes it was religious in nature. How about WW2? That had religion written all over it. At least the European front did.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-04-23 11:51:01
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I think once you legit buy into the idea that you have spiritual superiority over other groups (which most religions peddle) you're on the fast track to exhibiting many of the worst aspects of human behavior. 
http://www.ibtimes.com/second-child-philadelphia-couple-dies-after-they-choose-prayer-instead-seeing-doctor-1210287
Quote: A Philadelphia couple violated probation after their second child died as a result of them turning to prayer instead of seeking a doctor when the child was ill.
Henry and Catherine Schaible violated probation after their second child died as the couple chose faith healing instead of medical care.
The Philadelphia couple was serving a 10-year probation sentence stemming from the death of their first child, after Herbert and Catherine Schaible prayed for their child instead of seeking medical care, reports the Associated Press.
The Schaibles belong to a fundamentalist Christian church, First Century Gospel Church, that practices faith healing, reports Philadelphia Daily News. The couple was on probation for the death of their 2-year-old son, Kent Schaible, who died of pneumonia in 2009. Herbert and Catherine Schaible pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in 2011 and were sentenced to 10 years of probation, with one major component being the couple seek medical care for their children if they became sick, notes AP.
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