2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

I attended a christian school for the first 3 school years of my life, I would say that's pretty accurate. At least for the one I went to. Gogo Texas...

When i was a child, they presented "scientific" tests like that in sunday school. Of course, the teen councilors who volunteered as teachers would tell the students the correct answers (and by correct, i mean answers which reflected that of the test paper shown).

Also, Way to take something completely out of context, and drive it with so much drivel it's going in circles. It was stated in a way that would allow an intelligent person to see "Well, if God created the universe, and everything in it, Man would have found a way to seek out the truth logically using science, as a tool that was given to man by God". That's concerning Science and Religion.

Where is America and the story of the Native Americans in the holy scriptures. Absent. As a text, the OT is a grand old story of the Jews and what they believed. Other people had their gods/goddesses and over time they died off as traditions change. What makes Yahweh more legit than Zeus? Quetzalcoatl? Izanami? Baal?

Human history is littered with Gods and our beliefs are bound by time. There were peoples existing for centuries before our flavors of the month and they had as much evidence as the most devout believers today. Perhaps one day humanity after having set itself backwill rediscover the internet and worship cat memes. Reset the game of humanity and any religion could become the one true system.

Catholics have the presence they do in Latin America because the population was decimated, kept in poverty and converted en masse from the old ways to the syncretic christianity that dominates many of the countries. Its truethe Church does alot but who setup the problems in the first place?

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The Old/New Testament were both written prior to the Spaniards conquered the Americas. So that explains why they aren't mentioned in the scriptures.

The post-Olmec tribe deities did not die off. Rather the Spaniards and Catholic missionaries transformed these deities into the Virgin Mary aka Guadalupe.

The Virgin Mary Art Analysis:
Let's examine the Virgin Mary in Byzantine art:Now let's examine La Virgen Guadalupe art:As you can see Mary got bedazzled head to toe! She went from plain in blue to fab! But there's more to it than that. Those colors, that sun behind her. They hybridized Tonantzin and/or Coatlicue(Aztec goddess') with the Virgin Mary. It wasn't your faith is wrong, it was your faith is our faith. They got tricked basically. This is all intertwined with the Juan Diego vision.Symbolism of Guadalupe

Juan Diego's Vision of Mary:Juan Diego was a Native American who envisioned Mary speaking to him in Nahuatl(indigenous language). Whether or not this was part of the Catholic's scheme of thing or he genuinely envisioned her is up to the individual. However, this is a pivotal moment in Latin American history. He converted to Catholicism, the Church eventually went on to canonize him as a saint and make it an "official miracle." It's a huge deal to Latin American people.

The Church went all out on this establishing the Basilica of Guadalupe at the site of his vision.Pretty grandeur, for a Native American... so grandeur it is basically the "Latin American Vatican."

The indigenous could not own land, much like US history. Seminaries and formal theology, via Catholicism, became a way for poor indigenous to own land, become educated, become respected and gain status. So you saw many indigenous poor enter religious studies to escalate in the social caste system. Then you had the indigenous who married with Spaniards.

Let's now fast forward. Forward through drug wars, political corruption, economic crisis, natural disasters in Latin America. You numerous very rural ares throughout Latin America w/o schools, food, running water people living in dirt poverty. The Church has gone on to build schools in those areas, they also build these little "7-11 Catholic Churches" where they give out tamales, tacos, variety of food while giving sermons. They are also evident in the South-Western United States.

So yes they decimated, to a degree, through the Latin-American tribes. But they also tricked them to a degree with this transformation of Virgin Mary. The fact is they didn't totally decimate they indigenous culture hence why you see the indigenous language still evident in Spanish language. Taino dilect is very much present in Puerto Rican Spanish eg. boricua and Aztec/Mayan words are very much present in Mexican/Central American Spanish e.g. zacate and zapatos.

Kind of a wierd coincidence here, I posted quite a few pages back now about my dealings with faith.

well in the process of that story I said something to the effect of "whipping 9/10 guys *** that I fought" well the world is really funny.

our office is in an industrial lot that is only accessed by one road. about 1 1/2 miles (idk wtf that would be in kilo's, but <3 to you euros) away from our shop is the minimum security prison facility where they try to get these gentlemen merged back into society, so they let them loose to go find work, on the honor system to come back.
I see them walking around all the time.

well this morning the gentlemen that I saw was a mean SOB that kicked my *** hard when I was drunk & overconfident one night, 12-14 years ago. I thought "huh, better take the rose colored glasses off, buddy."
so Iwould like to officially amend that number to 7/10 for an average, because I'm likely focusing on the good in my foggy old man memory.

Update:

Death of 8-month-old son of Phila. couple who shun medicine ruled homicide.

End two lives (one while on probation for the first) = get 10 years probation + 0 prison time.

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damn catholics.......

Religion, dood. Gotta use those kid gloves.

before anyone chews my head off, I was raised catholic and it was a joke :|

Keyword: fundamentalist. Really sad that people refute a simple antibiotic...

Stuff like this is the tip of the ice berg. I don't get how the Church of Scientology is still so popular.

Even after the Lisa McPherson scandal, I still see them all over Los Angeles passing out flyers and denouncing psychiatry.

We're at 19 and the topic just got restarted again...

Almost there!

Just curious how many thousands of people die every year in America from drugs prescribed to them, also over-the-counter medication, of course all taken as recommended.

Because a couple of people die because modern medicine fails at a low rate we should ignore that you are much more likely to die if you do not seek out treatment for a serious condition than you are likely to die as a result of treatment.

Yeah sounds like a conservative argument to me.

dude relax? You don't think it's interesting to consider those that die due to their complete faith in medicine?

No because it completely fails to see the point

Do you realize that the number of illnesses that CANT be completely/mostly nullified by medicine outnumber those that cant?

Even prayer doesnt cure cancer 50% of the time...

Yes, the point is you hate religion, we got that loud and clear.

But can you tell me how many people die each year from their faith in medicine? Seriously.

Edit: I'M JUST CURIOUS GUYS. WOULDN'T YOU FIND THAT NUMBER INTERESTING AT ALL?

And you're trying to load it by calling it "complete faith" when it's more akin to "choosing the best option"

Most people anyway know there are inherent risks with any medical treatment because doctors and medicine labels are required to tell you about them

But if you have a 1% chance to die from a procedure and a 50% chance to live without the procedure and you end up dying from the procedure I guess you can call it dying because of complete faith in medicine

How was this question loaded? You're just being sassy.

You are trying to load it because you are attempting to equate seeking medical attention with religious faith

Did they wait to see if he rose on the 3rd day? I'm sure that wasn't the first time someone asked, but who's honestly reading through 19 pages of religion vs. reality?

Well.... prescription drugs kill more people than illegal drugs and due to Medicare's reliance on methadone* as a pain killer, more every year.

No solid numbers, sorry. Nor any idea about prescribed usage vs. black market resales.

The methadone problem is it isn't flushed from the body near as fast as other opiates or opiate mimics. Nor in a predictable manner.

METHADONE AND THE POLITICS OF PAIN - Seattle Weekly.

*Too lazy too look up the citation.

But facts also show that diseases run rampant through the human body without medications and treatments....So you know...jesus is gunna make malaria just disappear.

Like i said, prayer doesnt cure cancer.

Facts are facts and faith is faith.

As a side note it is possible to discuss the implications of not seeking medical treatment for serious conditions due to religious conviction without being inherently disrespectful to religious people

im being snarky damnit >(

Blind faith is what you are advocating sir, the reason most people go to a doctor when they have a cold is because they KNOW without a doubt and it has been PROVEN that antihistamines make the sniffles go away. There are only a few instances where medicine cannot EVER cure an ailment and that is because the ailment is more advanced than our current medical capabilities or the ailment is a serial killer and can evade our medical treatments.

It is possible. It is just not something that you have been capable of doing.

I've been pretty fair in the context of this thread

Wasabi will clear out those sniffles too. Down a teaspoon's worth and you're clear for the whole year.

Well in all fairness the number is going to be irrelevant if we include ALL perscriptives and OTCs.

There is a vast difference in the vitalness of an antibiotic vs a pain-killer. So there is some distinction in medicine when it comes to improving the quality of life vs. necessity.

I've never heard of a fatality caused by a cephalosporin antibiotic. The only really detriment antibiotics can cause on a regular basis is some GI tract disruption.

So to compare something like an antibiotic which has minimal-to-zero fatality rate to allowing an infant to fight off an infection is kinda meh...

EDIT: On a side note. I don't thing there is anything wrong if you have a condition like cancer or HIV/AIDS and you have exhausted all your medical options that you utilize prayer/faith.