2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer
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2nd child dies after parents choose prayer
Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » But whatever Flavin. You're going to convince me that Abraham would have found another reason to want to kill his child, if he didn't have a religion. "Can't stop all evil, so why worry about this one?" Remind me to keep you out of office.
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Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » But whatever Flavin. You're going to convince me that Abraham would have found another reason to want to kill his child, if he didn't have a religion. Pretty straight forward: you're suggesting that the evils commonly attributed to religious belief occur just as readily in secular environments, and as such, we should lay off
Except no Just because terrible things can occur in assorted situations, that doesn't mean a primary culprit shouldn't be condemned for what it is This of course ignores the fact that terrible things happen at an exponentially higher rate for religious reasons than they do for secular ones, but no matter
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Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » But whatever Flavin. You're going to convince me that Abraham would have found another reason to want to kill his child, if he didn't have a religion. I agree.. Bad people are going to do evil things, like I said before.... But the only way to get a GOOD person, like Abraham, to do something evil is religion or an equal ideology that turns evil into good deeds. Good people just don't do disgusting things :) Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Pretty straight forward: you're suggesting that the evils commonly attributed to religious belief occur just as readily in secular environments, and as such, we should lay off Except no Just because terrible things can occur in assorted situations, that doesn't mean a primary culprit shouldn't be condemned for what it is This of course ignores the fact that terrible things happen at an exponentially higher rate for religious reasons than they do for secular ones, but no matter You have proof that they are the primary culprit? Where are your studies showing this? I'd like to see the numbers... Personally I don't think you really have any idea but religion is an easy target and we can ignore any good they've ever done too lol... but don't get me wrong... I'm not saying anyone or anything here is infallible nor am I saying anyone should get a pass... No worries though I have no plans to run for any elected office ^^ Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » But the only way to get a GOOD person, like Abraham, to do something evil is religion or an equal ideology that turns evil into good deeds. Ok I'll chime in with some religious theory on the Abraham murder. First and foremost this happened like back in the day, I'm talking like before car's were invented. So that's something that should be considered, stuff like this isn't really applicable today. Secondly, when god asked Abraham to kill his only son. There is a symbolic message here. Abraham knew about Ishmael, his other son. So now lets examine the language here Quote: Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. GEN 22:22 Quote: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. JOHN 3:16 So I, personally, look at it in symbolic context. Not literal. There are some symbolic parallels between Christ and Issac(the son) here and between God and Abraham(the Father) Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » Siren.Flavin said: » Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » But whatever Flavin. You're going to convince me that Abraham would have found another reason to want to kill his child, if he didn't have a religion. There have been plenty of people that when you ask about em after they've commited some crime and you'll hear people describe them as good people... loving mothers and fathers before they snap and commit some kind of crime... you can believe that you can put everyone in two different boxes in which one resides in the good people box and the other the bad people box and then I guess put a level on the crimes of which the good can commit and still be good and the same for the bad but it's ludicrous... Ok lets say you have two kids... some guy kidnaps em and says go gut your neighbor or I kill your kids... would you do it? or how about you have five kids and guy takes 4 of em... says kill this one in the next minute or I kill the other four... would you? Ridiculous situations but what would you do? I'm not talking about convicting criminals, I'm talking about blaming the ideological culprit. Allowing religious belief of any kind to abdicate responsibility for its pattern of pandemic atrocities on the terms of "people do bad things for other reasons" is a mighty fine medley of straw-manning and logical back-handsprings.
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I always found it funny how people defending a god or idea of a god can ask for evidence before they can believe something but there is none for their god. Irony, gotta love it lol
Sylph.Linkk said: » I always found it funny how people defending a god or idea of a god can ask for evidence before they can believe something but there is none for their god. Irony, gotta love it lol Where we're going, we don't need critical thinking. Leviathan.Kaparu said: » I'm not talking about convicting criminals, I'm talking about blaming the ideological culprit. Allowing religious belief of any kind to abdicate responsibility for its pattern of pandemic atrocities on the terms of "people do bad things for other reasons" a mighty fine medley of straw-manning and logical back-handsprings. Sylph.Linkk said: » I always found it funny how people defending a god or idea of a god can ask for evidence before they can believe something but there is none for their god. Irony, gotta love it lol
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To tell you the truth I'm not even really religious anymore... I just get so tired of people trying to lay the blame at the feet of religion for everything that's wrong with the world...
You aren't the teensiest bit embarrassed to have pulled the "your faith in science is no different than faith in religion!" card?
Balls of steel.
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Siren.Flavin said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » I'm not talking about convicting criminals, I'm talking about blaming the ideological culprit. Allowing religious belief of any kind to abdicate responsibility for its pattern of pandemic atrocities on the terms of "people do bad things for other reasons" a mighty fine medley of straw-manning and logical back-handsprings. Sylph.Linkk said: » I always found it funny how people defending a god or idea of a god can ask for evidence before they can believe something but there is none for their god. Irony, gotta love it lol Siren.Flavin said: » To tell you the truth I'm not even really religious anymore... I just get so tired of people trying to lay the blame at the feet of religion for everything that's wrong with the world... Do you get tired of reading comprehension, too? Because I said nothing of the sort Leviathan.Kaparu said: » You aren't the teensiest bit embarrassed to have pulled the "your faith in science is no different than faith in religion!" card? Balls of steel. Siren.Flavin said: » To tell you the truth I'm not even really religious anymore... I just get so tired of people trying to lay the blame at the feet of religion for everything that's wrong with the world... So you're just trolling! *Gasp* You should be ashamed! Leviathan.Kaparu said: » Siren.Flavin said: » To tell you the truth I'm not even really religious anymore... I just get so tired of people trying to lay the blame at the feet of religion for everything that's wrong with the world... Show me where I said that religion is the root of all evil
Siren.Flavin said: » Leviathan.Kaparu said: » You aren't the teensiest bit embarrassed to have pulled the "your faith in science is no different than faith in religion!" card? Balls of steel. I think when someone admits that they let their child die because they believe that prayer works is proof enough.
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Siren.Flavin said: » I'm not really defending god... but what's even funnier is those that say they put their beliefs in science and facts have nothing to bring to the table other than conjecture...
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Siren.Flavin said: » To tell you the truth I'm not even really religious anymore... I just get so tired of people trying to lay the blame at the feet of religion for everything that's wrong with the world... Bismarck.Longkissgnight said: » Do you not understand what a monopoly is ? She* My dictionary here is calling a monopoly "having control of the single source of; exclusivity". I read your statement as "is the only source, but isn't the only source". Regardless of which definition of monopoly you use (even though I think they all sum up to the same thing) I still think that such a statement is quite obtuse. Saying religion has been the source of some/many/etc evil over the years is acceptable. Ignoring any good stemming from it to favor your argument is embarrassing for both parties.
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To be fair, we're not talking about anything in the neighborhood of a net good here
"Sure, little Timmy may have detonated that thermonuclear bomb and decimated the entire city, but look at the beautiful flowers he picked for me earlier that day!" Ragnarok.Ashman said: » Saying religion has been the source of some/many/etc evil over the years is acceptable. Ignoring any good stemming from it to favor your argument is embarrassing for both parties. Kaparu and you have valid points. So like take pedophilia in the Catholic Church. It's not fair to blame Catholicism itself for the child molestation, it fair to blame the priests and the institution for condoning it. Leviathan.Kaparu said: » To be fair, we're not talking about anything in the neighborhood of a net good here
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