2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

You are missing the point totally. There is a huge difference between beating and starvation and mutilation and the child developing the sickness naturally. They did not mistreat the child and in turn he developed the sickness. He contracted the sickness naturally through no fault of the parents. Their religion calls for spiritual healing not modern medicine and again ITS WHAT THEY BELIEVE PERIOD! If it was the living conditions, mistreatment, beatings of the child then hell yes they deserve everything they get. I understand where your coming from and I'm happy your parents chose a doctor for you and you got better. However that is not what this family believes and the church they go to believes. AGAIN I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE DONE! HOWEVER I DO BELIEVE FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

[/quote]Damn it, this is so utterly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, it fits right in with another person who's reached that same level, just hours before. Of course, i use the word HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in the literal sense, so spare me the "It's offensive" ***. The Number 1 cause of obesity isn't fast food, and more specifically, isn't MacDonald's, since they do offer "healthy menu" items. The reason why you see so many "fat kids" in america comes down to personal lack of accountability. Even with all the incentives, and proper parenting, if the child learns from the people around them that personal accountability is useless, they won't adhere to it. They eat too much food, or too little, causing malnutrition. With malnutrition, the body essentially starves itself, telling the person to eat more of X mineral/sugar.

It can also be attributed to a genetic disorder, which can be extremely difficult to overcome, even with proper eating habits and physical activity. It's not just about eating the right foods, you have to know when to eat them, and how to break down meals. Most kids rarely have their daily snacks, and the ones that do, most of them find a way to stock up on sugar-loaded junk.

Sugar and unused carbs quickly turn to fat if they aren't used up right away with physical activity, and most kids, learn from their peers more than their parents. Why? Because they spend all day with them, watch them, and interact with them.[/quote]

See you are partially right here, but if you think for one second that fast food no matter if they have a healthy menu is good for your body to eat you are sadly mistaken. GMOs and other non-healthy junk is put into everything we eat. Yes genetic disorders are hard to over come but we didn't have as many of genetic disorders 50 years ago. Sure there were some but today its like that is the main excuse as to why people are unhealthy and fat. Like it or not corporations don't give a ***about you or how healthy their food is. They are after the all mighty buck. Do some research on all the crap they put into our foods we eat. As far as eating habits and children taking after their peers. If you as a parent sees your child doing things that are not right you correct them and talk to them as to why that is no the way to do things same goes with eating habits. Your child depends on you as a parent 90% of the time to provide food and thus you can control what and how they eat. I'm not talking 16-19year olds I'm talking young children here. The way you raise your children and the values you teach them while they are young will for the most part stay with them. Yes they will stray from time to time but they know the right and wrong things.

It is not a parent's right to force their beliefs upon their children.

Unfortunately this hasn't extended beyond "you can't mistreat them because of your religion"

hint:

Not getting medical treatment at all, due to your religion is mistreatment, in this case murder.

I guess I should feel lucky though, I had pneumonia 3 times as a child...

this argument is getting nowhere fast.


some people "believe" that it's OK to senselessly let children die because their parents faith said it's OK.


the rest of the people have brains.

it's not that hard to comprehend.

Oh and as to the earlier cracks: no the bible isn't that historically accurate, it makes a lot of references to historical events, just enough to where people are foolish enough to think it could have happened, but the garbage is just that: garbage.

and Catholics are Christians...

be offended all you want, that's life.

quoting this gem.

Religion didn't cause the death of these 2 kids. Human stupidity did.
Just like religion didn't give huge political power to men who can't spell or say a simple word like nuclear.
I blame the lack of propper education in what is supposed to be an advanced nation.

I'm not religious, I find the idea of religion in general, baffling.
You don't praise religion when a follower does something good, or has a positive impact on someones life, so why bash it when a follower does something bad?
You can't see only the bad side of something and completely ignore the good that has come from it.
That goes both ways however, and religeous people should realise that I don't want to hear how I'm going to hell for eating fish on a friday or whatever stupid crap they feel is important.

Do you blame the gun for people being killed, or the stupid people holding the gun?

Lots of people believe god told them to kill someone. Does that mean it's ok for them to do it because that's what they believed?
I thought the people in the OP were the stupidest people I would see today... Thanks for proving me wrong.

See Ronix, i have done my research, considering i've been employed in the food and hospitality industry for over 10 years. Some companies don't care. Which is why i included quotation marks when i placed in "Healthy menu" items. Of course being dumber than a sack of roughly used ***, you seemed to have clearly glossed over that fact.

I've done research into the fact that Micky D's salads were for a time, much more fattening than chugging 2 hamburger smoothies. A parent only provides so much education and knowledge, where as 90% of the behavior a child learns is from other children their age. The other 10% comes from the adult interactions which comes into their behavior, which again, comes into play by personal accountability.

It would also seem that you alone are implying that the genetic disorders we have today, that we didn't have today, are a direct result of the nasty fast food we eat today. That's only a small percentage, since packaged foods, dried foods, and other commercialized foods went into industrialization close to 100 years ago. There's also the fact that the biggest attributor to genetic diseases couldn't be placed or scientifically linked 50 years ago, and many of them did exist prior to that, while the unfortunate reality is, science hadn't progressed far enough to identify them. Even the healthiest of foods managed by a community are susceptible to environmental diseases that cause genetic disorders, far more so than anything we eat.

In my culinary classes, we learned the best way to stay profitable, and how to cater to those with special dietary needs - ie. Diabetics, Allergies, and that there are detoxifying foods available such as blueberries. The problem with heavily commercialized food comes from how it's concentrated, or packed with additives and sugars to make them sweeter, or more palatable. Even then, a genetic disorder like Hyper-Thyroidism doesn't develop as easily as from one generation to the next - since research has indicated it's multi-generational. Being Multigeneration means the disorder has developed over several generations, so it's been here MUCH longer than 50 years, since there is speculation, due to the extravagant lifestyles of Lords and Ladies from Europe, before America was discovered, existed for atleast several hundred years.

There's also the problem of malnutrition - which can cause bloating of the stomach in the body's effort to survive by storing any food as fat. Many people simply brush this off as just being fat, and that the affected people should be put on diets.

I can see we all still can't read very well or just have a problem understanding what was said. I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE AND I BELIEVE IT IS WRONG! Again @Thorbean they did not purposely give this child the sickness to see what happened and they believe the natural course of events is how people should live and die and if God wants someone he will take someone. You don't know how why or what these people feel and think cause you haven't walked in their shoes. They feel this way for one reason or another. Before you jump the gun again I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS OR SAY IT IS OK TO DO.
This is what you said how is that glossing over? You said this and yes fast food if unhealthy and is packed full of all the ***that one shouldnt eat. Yes eating habits and the food we eat all contribute to the fact that people at still the heaviest we have been in history. Yes you are correct and I am saying all the unhealthy ***they put in foods directly effect illnesses and disorders. If you dont believe that I'm sorry for that. Not only that we are also the least active as any people in history which adds to that 10 fold. You also must be one of these "disorder" people cause you sure start name calling when your point isn't taken as fact. Get off the couch and walk 3-4 miles everyday or jog or play outside it'll help 10 fold.

No, you just don't understand that it's not OK to deny a child medical care regardless of personal beliefs. Personal belief is irrelevant when it comes to people's well being, especially children.

I don't care what they thought, or how they felt. Nor should I.

that's called being *** delusional, it's a mental illness, go seek help for it.

Well despite all of your furious googling you managed to only come up with an obsure state Legislator in Louisianna pulling her support for a bill and another obscure state Senator in Tennessee pulling support for a bill that would allow vouchers for an Islamic school. Wow that's some seriously oppressive ***Christians are doing. Were you disappointed when thats all you could find to back your claims of oppression?

If they want to get sick and die on their own that's ok... once they start applying that reasoning to other people, especially those to young to understand better, it becomes a problem. Even then I doubt their children died thinking "Oh well if god wants me to die that's cool".

The points i presented are represented by fact and science. I happen to live a healthier lifestyle. Just because you have proven you are dumber than a sack of roughly used ***, doesn't mean that i am by any means, one of the "disorder" people. I become irrate and grumpy due to the sheer idiocy of morons like you.

You keep spinning the same shpiel over and over, without any basic points of interest. First you say i am right, then tell me i'm wrong, a "disordered" person when a point, clearly supported by fact, personal and scientific research throughout history because what i said, isn't taken as fact. Secondly, the AMERICAN people are the heaviest set people in the world, while us CANADIANS, happily live much healthier lives without the constant reminders. In 1 year i managed a weight loss of 130+ lbs, and during the next seven, focusing on personal accountability, i've managed to keep that weight off. As i said, having done the research you suggested people do, and again, coming from a culinary background, I've also qualified my points. I can make excuses for not getting out to exercise or to buy healthier foods, when really, 30 minutes of physical activity a day is good. An hour is better. Working in a kitchen is 8+ hours of physical activity and mental cognitive activity.

You really did gloss over what i had actually written, and came back, once again, proving you've reached a whole new level of Retard.

None are so blind as those who will not see.


Well here you go Pleebo.

That's putting it lightly!

The book as a whole, hmm ok I'm not going to go through every book in the deuterocannon + aprocrypha and say whats accurate and not- ain't nobody got time fo dat!



There are inaccuracies and mistranslations in the bible absolutely. There are, however, verifiable historic events in both the Old and New testament deuterocannon and apocrypha which have been verified by historians. (E.g. The census of Augustus Cesar.)

I don't usually "say" Catholics are Christians(which really is the case) since most use the term Christian to refer to (post-RC Church Christian denominations).

>.>

It's the world we live in. Sad but true...

I didn't think I needed to go into Christian Oppression of women and homosexuals since that's pretty much a given but since you need examples I'll provide them again

Build an electric fence:
http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/05/22/pastor-build-electrified-fence-for-gays-so-they-die-out/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/ron-baity-north-carolina-pastor-amendment-one-gay-marriage_n_1497741.html


Gym teacher at Catholic school fired after being outed in her mother's obituary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/18/1202906/-Beloved-teacher-fired-after-being-outed-in-her-mother-s-obituary

One Million Moms requested that JC Penny fire Ellen Degeneres for being gay
http://www.inquisitr.com/190182/one-million-moms-protest-ellen-degeneres-partnership-with-jc-penney/


One Million Moms timeline
February: Ellen DeGeneres' JCPenney Partnership Slammed By Anti-Gay Group One Million Moms
February: One Million Moms Threatens Toys 'R' Us With Boycott Over Archie Comics' Gay Wedding Issue
April: One Million Moms Condemns Urban Outfitters' Lesbian Kiss Catalog Photo
May: One Million Moms Condemns JCPenney Again For Same-Sex Mother's Day Catalog Photo
May: One Million Moms Condemns DC And Marvel Comics For Gay Characters
June: One Million Moms Condemns Oreo Cookies For LGBT Pride Support
July: One Million Moms Boycotts Ryan Murphy's New NBC Sitcom 'The New Normal'
October: One Million Moms Protests Jennifer Lopez's New TV Show 'The Fosters'
One Million Moms loves to campaign against social progress. A couple of months ago the group went after yet another celebrity, Jennifer Lopez, for her pilot The Fosters, which features a lesbian couple raising a multiethnic group of kids, though it won't air for some time.
December: One Million Moms Angry Over JCPenney Christmas Commercial
The latest One Million Moms blog post claims to put to rest the JCPenney/Ellen DeGeneres issue. The group had recently attacked the retail group once again for a holiday ad featuring the celebrity

Are the just espousing "conservative values" not rooted in religion ??????????????? Nah One Million Moms is a division of AFA


OH! So all of these protests and complaints because these companies and or media outlets are friendly to LGBT Americans is justified but when people protest against Chick Fil-A for bigotry against LGBT

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/palin-chick-fil-boycott-has-chilling-effect

Apparently exercising your first Amendment rights against the Christian Right has a chilling effect on free speech!

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/05/boulder-catholic-school-k_n_487172.html

"Boulder Catholic School Student Expelled Because His Parents Are Gay"

On Fox - Attacking MU for alerting professors of non-Christian holidays:

http://www.newshounds.us/20130218_on_fox_friends_tucker_carlson_attacks_wiccans_as_christianity_haters

Not to mention that members of other religions are expected to get special accommodations for specific religious observances whereas Christians can pretty much expect their observances are covered by default

As far as Chistian attacks on other religions go we've already dealt with Islam, so what about others!

http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=8694


Even Mitt Romney was a victim of Christian oppression -- and don't forget the frequent attacks on Barack Obama claiming that he's not Christian

When "not Christian" is used as an attack by Christians - that's Christian oppression

http://www.usachristianministries.com/christian-voters-guide/








All that aside the US experienes Christian hegemony. While some forms of oppression are obvious (eg in the Middle East) most are not apparent to members of the hegemon (dominant class) because variation is viewed as digression instead of natural.

I don't expect you to believe it because it doesn't match your view of the world where evil liberals are trying to destroy Christianity out of malice. But here's a reference on the subject:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Zhx4OwAACAAJ&lr=&num=20

It's not specifically the fault of Christianity though (historically any proselytizing religious group with power has become oppressive)

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has quite a bit of power and I hardly consider them to be oppressive! lol

...I thought that was only when you went through a car wash..?

It's not proselytizing!

I love you Sylow, becasue you make me google words.

you & spartox.

<3

I know! It's like studying for the SAT's again!

I generally try to use words people are likely to know , but in this case "proselytizing" is the best term and is the most commonly used / accepted term for the idea in reference to religion.

(Also please forgive any strange punctuation patterns lately -- my period and comma keys are malfunctioning on my keyboard)

Even if i have my disagreements with Sparthosx and Sylow (in which this case i agree with him) He does a very good job at looking up stories and sources to drive home a point with specific and general examples.

It also makes me read the numerous stories posted so i can form my own opinion.

there some great ones out there.

Back in high school / college days I would read the dictionary looking for new / interesting words becasuse I thought I was going to get into journalism / writing / poetry.

I think I only made it to F or G before things went awry.

On a more serious note back to your post. I don't necessarily consider Christianity itself to be oppressive, but rather it's followers(specifically age demographic).

Younger Christians/Catholics are usually more liberal. Not even more liberal per-se, but rather, they don't follow the texts verbatim. Younger Christians tend to read/interpret the bible very light heartedly as it's very impracticle to follow the teachings verbatim in 2013. Hence why I see younger congretations, or maybe it's just my area very accepting of LGBT members(they don't perform ceremonies but they do accept LGBT members).

A perfect example is my Jewish friend and toilet paper. I guess there is a day where jewish people can't perform any form of labor, Shabbat??? Anyhow he told me more conservative jews will sit there and pre-tear rolls of toilet paper the day before. As he put it, that's just impractical today- ain't nobody got time for that!

Read a joke the other day on tumblr and please don't kill me for this:

What do you call a book club that's been stuck on the same book for thousands of years?

Church!

Damnit I was gonna say the Joy Luck Club!

Why would we kill you for it, Eike?

If you can't laugh at, or question your religious beliefs, it's not a religion anymore - it's a cult of indoctrination: My way or GTFO.

something something blasphemy, something something rotten atheist, something something :P