2nd Child Dies After Parents Choose Prayer

Where? Just because SOME people survive certain ailments without the help of modern medicine doesn't mean that what they are doing is a workable replacement for modern medicine.

And your original statement regarding "natural causes" was just plain silly. Those children died because they were neglected, despite a court order for the parents to seek medical attention for their living children because they had already lost one before to their stupidity. By your logic, it's okay to let a child starve to death because starvation is a "natural cause" of death?

Have you even READ Maccabes 1,2,3 and 4? It's about as close to a story of legendary heroes as you can get!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees

The name Maccabee[14] is often used as a synonym for the entire Hasmonean Dynasty, but the Maccabees proper were Judah Maccabee and his four brothers. The name Maccabee was a personal epithet of Judah,[15] and the later generations were not his direct descendants.

Seven Jewish brothers, their mother and their teacher are known in Christianity as the Holy Maccabean Martyrs or Holy Maccabees, although they are not said to be of the Maccabee family. They are so named from the description of their martyrdom in 2 and 4 Maccabees.

But it doesn't matter because myth =/= false.

More:

The text of First Maccabees places the heroism of the Hasmoneans at the epicenter of the story of Jewish revolt against Hellenism in the 2nd century BCE. Interestingly, there is no mention of the Hellenizers' names in First Maccabees. We get no sense from this text of who they are, or what they want, or where they come from. They are uniformly presented in the text as wicked, evil, immoral and inhumane beings, consistently referred to as "godless," "lawless," and "lawbreakers," "men who hate their own nation" (p. 189-91), etc. We get those names: Jason, Menelaus, etc. from other texts and books of Maccabees. In fact, no one at all is named until the Hasmoneans are introduced. Mattathias begins the revolt, and passes the military leadership on to his son Judah Maccabee who is strongest and youngest, and whose battles are often such miraculous victories as to seem sure evidence of God's aid. The military, religious and civic leadership are most strongly united in Jonathan's rule, following Judah's death. Simon's rule is marked by peace, and he is most strongly presented in the text as a religious and civic leader. The initial necessity for fighting rather than just remaining observant and pious is strongly marked in the text with the death of the most observant Hebrews who will not fight on Shabbat.


The point, however, remains.

False =/= myth
True =/= myth

You're funny though.

Pull that stick out of your *** you dumb ***. Yes I have read Maccabees and most apocrypha texts I'm Catholic. Legend according to Merriam-Webster


Anyways I'm done talking to you, come back when you dislodge that stick from your ***.

But wait!!!!!

There's more:

There is no symbolism in the historical reference you dumb ***.
Additionally the Maccabee rebelliion is cited in OTHER BOOKS. I'm not going to and list every *** book in the Old, New and Apocrypha just to satisfy your ***-tude.

Wow! I'm floored.

You might even say I'm



wait for it!!!!!!



"quasi-offended!"

Ok for one yes if they agreed to the court order then yes. Starvation is not a natural cause and if you think thats what I said then you need to reread. If you read the story it said the child had breathing problems and diarrhea. The first child had Pneumonia. Not sure if you have ever seen people go through that but its not easy cure and the success rate is slim in children and older people. No matter what you think it is still their beliefs wrong or right. Now if the living conditions horrible then no thats neglect. If they were fine then yes natural. Wrong or right they were strong in thier beliefs and stuck to them and what comes of that. Once again "I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY DID WAS RIGHT JUST STATING FACTS"

I know you're so fond of the Huffington Post. Here's a nice one for you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-small/mythology-and-the-bible_b_898253.html



That's you!!!! He's talking about you!!!!!

Seriously though. I'm glad you won't misuse the word "myth" or "mythology" ever again ^^>

Lye is right in-that mythology does not distinguish between true and false. It is a category used in reference to origin stories. What people don't like about the contemporary myths being lumped in with the archaic and pagan myths is that the past ideologies are all ruled superstitions, but without a proper distinction between them, those same standards are applied to their personal mythos.

Exactly!!! You're so much more polite and eloquent. Thanks!

If you think that breathing problems, diarrhea, and pneumonia are difficult to treat you have never dealt with them before. There is not a "cure" per se, but there is a standard/protocol treatment.

For your facts, as medicine and technology has improved, treatment of these virus/bacteria that causes pneumonia has gotten increasingly better. A study which looks at childrens mortality rates from 1939-1996 concludes that:

If parents are choosing NOT to care for their children and making choices that endanger their lives, then they are neglecting and mistreating them.

Got any specific examples of Christians injecting religion into public policy? I'm not arguing with your statement, just actually curious. There is a difference, btw, between injecting conservative values into public policies and injecting religion. Some people confuse the two.

Messed up as it is, this is a free country. But yes, the parents are douches.

There really isn't a difference when those conservative values are rooted in religious belief - attempting to "split" the two ideas is just one of the ways the Christian Right attempts to legitimize it

That aside! Here you go
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/06/valarie-hodges-lawmaker-retracts-support-for-bill_n_1655249.html



Once again - "Freedom of Religion" does not apply to not taking your kids to the doctor when they're sick

Does this count?
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christianity/catholicism/kansas-gov-sam-brownback-writes-jesus-mary-anti-abortion-bill

Off the top of my head, the Catholic Church (and some of Congress) not wanting their employee health insurance to pay for birth control for their employees who may or may not be of the same faith.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/sarah-palin-american-law_n_569922.html

"Go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant -- they're quite clear -- that we would create law based on the God of the bible and the ten commandments." - Sarah Palin

Sy, that should be under common sense. I agree with ya brother.

Also!

GoP loves school vouchers for religious schools -- except when they figure out they can't exclude Islam

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/02/tennessee-republicans-threaten-to-kill-gop-voucher-bill-over-fear-of-funding-muslim-schools/

If you think that breathing problems, diarrhea, and pneumonia are difficult to treat you have never dealt with them before. There is not a "cure" per se, but there is a standard/protocol treatment.

For your facts, as medicine and technology has improved, treatment of these virus/bacteria that causes pneumonia has gotten increasingly better. A study which looks at childrens mortality rates from 1939-1996 concludes that:

If parents are choosing NOT to care for their children and making choices that endanger their lives, then they are neglecting and mistreating them.[/quote]

I have watched 3 loved ones die because of pneumonia so yes I have had some dealing with it. "Great advances" as there may be it is still the #1 cause of death in children and eldlery in the world. No matter what you want to believe this is not a perfect world people die for dumb reasons everyday. Believe what you want the simple fact is these people and there is others just like them do not believe modern medicine is the answer and they have that choice. I see tons of fat little kids running around, so whats next in your eyes we arrest the parents for letting their child eat unhealthy food? It doesn't kill most right away but it paves the way for future problems down through life. In your eyes thats neglect right? It's not like you woke up one day and went ***Mcdonald's is bad for you????? People know it is and they still let their kids eat it. Toss them in jail too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_evolution_hearings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

Texas Board of Education support for intelligent design

You are arguing semantics at best with regards to the use of myth and legend. The citations of Cesar, Potinus Pilot, Nero's persecution of the Jews, Macabbean rebellian or the crucifixion(I really could go on and on) when they are all verifiable historical events. Trying to fit them into the category of myth because portions of the paragraph are an "allegorical manner" to suit your argument.

The fact remains whether you care to admit or not there are historical portions that are verifiable to the Old and New Testament, and Apocrypha. While portions of those events written in the Bible are written in an allegorical manner others are not.

Additionally you lumping the new and old testament as "Jewish mythology" is insulting. You using the book of Macabees and grouping it into jewish mythology when it is an apocrypha text is particularly insulting to Catholics. Your mentioning of Maccabee's(the book) and grouping it into Jewish mythology is a direct attack on Catholics since many jews and many protestants do not even recognize those texts as part of the deuterocannon.

Jewish =/= Christian.

Oh damn....

There is a difference between food that isn't the best for you and untreated pneumonia which very likely will kill a child

Come on, let's not hate on each other.

Damn it, this is so utterly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, it fits right in with another person who's reached that same level, just hours before. Of course, i use the word HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in the literal sense, so spare me the "It's offensive" ***. The Number 1 cause of obesity isn't fast food, and more specifically, isn't MacDonald's, since they do offer "healthy menu" items. The reason why you see so many "fat kids" in america comes down to personal lack of accountability. Even with all the incentives, and proper parenting, if the child learns from the people around them that personal accountability is useless, they won't adhere to it. They eat too much food, or too little, causing malnutrition. With malnutrition, the body essentially starves itself, telling the person to eat more of X mineral/sugar.

It can also be attributed to a genetic disorder, which can be extremely difficult to overcome, even with proper eating habits and physical activity. It's not just about eating the right foods, you have to know when to eat them, and how to break down meals. Most kids rarely have their daily snacks, and the ones that do, most of them find a way to stock up on sugar-loaded junk.

Sugar and unused carbs quickly turn to fat if they aren't used up right away with physical activity, and most kids, learn from their peers more than their parents. Why? Because they spend all day with them, watch them, and interact with them.

She is right, but she is scary.

Since personal ancedotal stories seem to work better with you rather than facts, I was admitted for long overnight stays multiple times (7 times) to the hospital as a child for pneumonia and asthma from 9 months to the age of 8. I was a very sick kid. At 14 I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. If I had not had proper treatment I would have died.

1.2 million kids die of pnuemonia in the world a year according to WHO, yes it is the largest kid killing sickness in the world.....but few die from this in the USA because of proper treatment.

Whether you "believe" modern medicine works or not, I don't give a ***. Parents "believe" they can beat the devil out of their kids. People "believe" that female genital mutilation will deter sexual activity, which is bad for girls according to their religion. Parents do not have the right to mistreat their children because of their beliefs.

I guess in the end this is a very sad story. I hope other will learn from this...