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2nd child dies after parents choose prayer
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-24 00:36:32
I dont know how a story about two morons murdering two of their children turned into a giant religious debate.
Doesn't everything on FFXIAH forums conclude with a discussion of guns, politics, marijuana or religion anyways?
Or if your in the fitness thread it concludes with warm apple pies!
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 00:36:38
I dont know how a story about two morons murdering two of their children turned into a giant religious debate.
Because as stated earlier the entire point of this thread was to eventually bash Christianity.
By Kimble2013 2013-04-24 00:37:40
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »I dont know how a story about two morons murdering two of their children turned into a giant religious debate.
Because as stated earlier the entire point of this thread was to eventually bash Christianity.
Why is that though? Why can't it just be about two morons murdering their own children?
Hell, all the OP did was post the story and said they are at a loss for words. Its not like they posted it and go "AND THIS IS WHY BEING CHRISTIAN IS WRONG!"
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-24 00:37:54
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Let's just pick a year 2005 maybe, i don't know pick your own. How many Christians murdered people that did not adhere to their beliefs simply because they did not adhere to their beliefes? Same question then for Muslim extremists. Are the numbers close?
Next how many homosexuals were murdered by Christians because they were gay. How many were murdered by Muslims for being gay. ***, how many were stoned for being gay?
Christians are literally being crucified in Egypt as they are being driven out by a government that "we" support. Iran denies that homosexuals even exist in Iran, perhaps they are right because they kill them all.
Yes and all of that is wrong but it's ignoratio elenchi
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems
By Lye 2013-04-24 00:37:56
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »I call it "Jewish mythology."
(inb4 christians aren't jews wut?!?!?)
That's quazi-insulting to both Jews and Catholics just fyi.
Christians/Catholics aren't Jews. You're opening a whole different can of worms....
There's no such thing as "quazi-insulting." You're either insulted or not.
-"Offense is taken, not given."
Page for page, more of the Bible is "Jewish" than "Christian" with the fundamental difference being whether Jesus is a prophet or the son of God.
Regardless, feel free to feel "quasi-insulted." Get back to me when you're ACTUALLY insulted.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 00:38:46
Maybe we should take all the religions of the world and morph them into one super religion called Islchrisjewbudclickclickism.
They have that already. It's called Globalism. It begins with global wealth redistribution disguised as green energy policies.
By Kimble2013 2013-04-24 00:40:04
I like Satanism my self. Well, that Buddha guy was pretty smart too.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2013-04-24 00:40:09
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Maybe we should take all the religions of the world and morph them into one super religion called Islchrisjewbudclickclickism.
They have that already. It's called Globalism. It begins with global wealth redistribution disguised as green energy policies. Huh. And here I thought they were trying to provide spherical maps to everyone. Damn.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 00:40:17
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Let's just pick a year 2005 maybe, i don't know pick your own. How many Christians murdered people that did not adhere to their beliefs simply because they did not adhere to their beliefes? Same question then for Muslim extremists. Are the numbers close?
Next how many homosexuals were murdered by Christians because they were gay. How many were murdered by Muslims for being gay. ***, how many were stoned for being gay?
Christians are literally being crucified in Egypt as they are being driven out by a government that "we" support. Iran denies that homosexuals even exist in Iran, perhaps they are right because they kill them all.
Yes and all of that is wrong but it's ignoratio elenchi
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems
yet the comparison is constantly made
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-24 00:42:03
There's no such thing as "quazi-insulting." You're either insulted or not.
Calling the bible, as a whole, Jewish mythology, when the new testament is a Christian text is insulting to a lot of people- including myself.
Saying Christian = Jews, is also insulting to both Jews and Christians. We are brothers/sisters etc... but Judaism, Catholism and Christians(Post-Roman Catholic Church) are three very different faiths.
Exorcisms, demonology, angelology etc... that is mythology that is distinct to both Judaism and Christianity and is actually very interesting reading.
By Lye 2013-04-24 00:43:43
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »There's no such thing as "quazi-insulting." You're either insulted or not.
Calling the bible, as a whole, Jewish mythology, when the new testament is a Christian text is insulting to a lot of people- including myself.
Saying Christian = Jews, is also insulting to both Jews and Christians. We are brothers/sisters etc... but Judaism, Catholism and Christians(Post-Roman Catholic Church) are three very different faiths.
Mmmmkay.
I disagree.
It's actually just MYTHOLOGY
Are you any less "quasi-offended?"
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-24 00:45:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Maybe we should take all the religions of the world and morph them into one super religion called Islchrisjewbudclickclickism.
They have that already. It's called Globalism. It begins with global wealth redistribution disguised as green energy policies. I can't wait for the release of your manifesto.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2013-04-24 00:46:01
Gosh. I bet being a *** about the way people feel about religion will finally bring people of all beliefs, if any, together, in peace and harmony.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-24 00:50:38
Mmmmkay.
I disagree.
It's actually just MYTHOLOGY
Are you any less "quasi-offended?"
I suggest you google how accurate the bible is and is not. Quite a bit of archaeology has been done confirming which parts of the Old and New Testament are historically accurate and which are not.
You're generalization that the entire bible is complete fiction/mythology is pure ignorance.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-24 00:51:44
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Let's just pick a year 2005 maybe, i don't know pick your own. How many Christians murdered people that did not adhere to their beliefs simply because they did not adhere to their beliefes? Same question then for Muslim extremists. Are the numbers close?
Next how many homosexuals were murdered by Christians because they were gay. How many were murdered by Muslims for being gay. ***, how many were stoned for being gay?
Christians are literally being crucified in Egypt as they are being driven out by a government that "we" support. Iran denies that homosexuals even exist in Iran, perhaps they are right because they kill them all.
Yes and all of that is wrong but it's ignoratio elenchi
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems
yet the comparison is constantly made
Don't think you quite understood
Christianity and Islam are both oppressive religions.
An oppressive religion is an oppressive religion no matter the level of oppression ( and no telling you that you can't force your religious views on me doesn't count as oppressing your religion)
By Lye 2013-04-24 00:51:49
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »There's no such thing as "quazi-insulting." You're either insulted or not.
Exorcisms, demonology, angelology etc... that is mythology that is distinct to both Judaism and Christianity and is actually very interesting reading.
You need to review your definitions:
Quote: The term "mythology" can refer either to the study of myths (e.g., comparative mythology), or to a body or collection of myths (a mythos, e.g., Inca mythology).[1] In folkloristics, a myth is a sacred narrative usually explaining how the world or humankind came to be in its present form,[2] although, in a very broad sense, the word can refer to any traditional story.
There's no distinction in this definition that ONLY pertains to exorcisms, demonology, angelology etc.
Furthermore, the use of "Jewish Mythology" isn't intended in the possessive. The stories do no belong to Jewish people as evidenced by your three "faiths" (actually they are religions) citing the same text (or at least various versions of the same text). Instead, I say it to mean that Jews and Gentiles (a descriptor for non-jews) are the primary characters in the aforementioned myths and "Jewish and non Jewish Mythology" doesn't have the same ring to it.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 00:53:09
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Maybe we should take all the religions of the world and morph them into one super religion called Islchrisjewbudclickclickism.
They have that already. It's called Globalism. It begins with global wealth redistribution disguised as green energy policies. I can't wait for the release of your manifesto.
Like how I brought everything back full circle to my first post? I thought it was pretty tidy.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-04-24 00:53:21
Mythology does not necessitate fiction. Most myths are exclusive of one another however. The entirety of the bible is mythology.
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By Odin.Laharl 2013-04-24 00:53:31
So many bigots on these forums. I have no problem with your ignorance; you can bash religion all you want, because it's your right.
However, I'd guess that most of you call yourselves democrats, voted for Obama, love to mock those "evil republican bigots", etc etc. Why the hypocrisy? Why is it okay for you to be ignorant, stereotyping bigots while attacking your opposition for doing the same thing (even though those accusations are patently false)?
So I guess the better question is: Why are liberals such bigots? Do you really think EVERY Christian is as big an idiot as the parents who did this to their child? If you do, you're probably an idiot.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-24 00:55:30
So I guess the better question is: Why are liberals such bigots? Do you really think EVERY Christian is as big an idiot as the parents who did this to their child? If you do, you're probably an idiot.
No one said this, but nice try
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 00:56:14
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Let's just pick a year 2005 maybe, i don't know pick your own. How many Christians murdered people that did not adhere to their beliefs simply because they did not adhere to their beliefes? Same question then for Muslim extremists. Are the numbers close?
Next how many homosexuals were murdered by Christians because they were gay. How many were murdered by Muslims for being gay. ***, how many were stoned for being gay?
Christians are literally being crucified in Egypt as they are being driven out by a government that "we" support. Iran denies that homosexuals even exist in Iran, perhaps they are right because they kill them all.
Yes and all of that is wrong but it's ignoratio elenchi
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppealToWorseProblems
yet the comparison is constantly made
Don't think you quite understood
Christianity and Islam are both oppressive religions.
An oppressive religion is an oppressive religion no matter the level of oppression ( and no telling you that you can't force your religious views on me doesn't count as oppressing your religion)
Where or how are Christians oppressing people?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-24 00:56:32
Mythology does not necessitate fiction. Most myths are exclusive of one another however. The entirety of the bible is mythology.
So you categorize the references to Cesear, Potinus Pilot and Nero's persecution of the Jews as myths? or mythology?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-04-24 00:57:52
Good point. I redact. It's a hybrid of mythology and legend.
To clarify, mythology is an origin story. If it explains the origins of a fundamental of the universe, i.e. thunder, the heavans, god(s), humanity, etc., it is a myth.
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By Lye 2013-04-24 01:02:21
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
I suggest you google how accurate the bible is and is not. Quite a bit of archaeology has been done confirming which parts of the Old and New Testament are historically accurate and which are not.
You're generalization that the entire bible is complete fiction/mythology is pure ignorance.
MYTHOLOGY DOESN"T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TRUE OR FALSE.
Instead of a bible, get one of these:
When is your birthday?
I'll send you one and itemize it into my "educational costs" for tax purposes next year.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-04-24 01:08:07
MYTHOLOGY DOESN"T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN TRUE OR FALSE..
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: an allegorical narrative
2
: a body of myths: as
a : the myths dealing with the gods, demigods, and legendary heroes of a particular people
b : mythos 2 <cold war mythology>
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: a branch of knowledge that deals with myth
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: a popular belief or assumption that has grown up around someone or something : myth 2a <defective mythologies that ignore masculine depth of feeling — Robert Bly
Would you care to explain how the Maccabean rebellion fits into any of those definitions? There is no symbolism in the book of Maccabees regarding that reference and it is a verifiable historical event.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-24 01:08:14
look up "snarky"
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-24 01:10:00
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Where or how are Christians oppressing people?
Any time the Christian Right tries to inject religion into public policy it is an attempt to oppress people who do not adhere to their religious standards
It's obviously not stoning people to death but it's still oppression - it marginalizes anyone who falls outside of the Christian standard
There are plenty of Christians who hold their beliefs true and live good lives and don't *** bother people about it (the athiests who feel the need to post things about imaginary sky gods on people's prayers on facebook comments etc can take a lesson from these people), but the annoying subset of meddling Christians with political influence is loud and ugly
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-04-24 01:12:23
It's actually really unfortunate that Christians in this country scream religious oppression because people are saying "Happy Holidays" or because evolution is being taught in schools - it takes away from the harsh and disgusting reality of Christians being systematically oppressed elsewhere in the world.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Ronix 2013-04-24 01:15:58
Phoenix.Neosutrax said: »Quetzalcoatl.Ronix said: »Before you lose your mind I didn't say I believe the same as them so pull the panties outa the wad. My point was it was and is thier own belief good or bad and they look at it as if it is gods will it will be done. I know you wouldnt understand that because I'd lay money on you have never the bible. Also just because you don't see it fit doesn't mean that's someone elses way or beliefs. Like I said IF IT WAS NATURAL CAUSES there shouldn't be an issue because it is THEIR BELIEFS. The government has no say if it is natural causes. Now again if it was neglect like not feeding them or living in horrible conditions that causes their death then yes by all means. However, do you believe the government should force you to medicate your children with ADD drugs even if you don't believe they help? Personally I would never let the government tell me I have to do something that I don't think helps. I'm not to sure you all know this but not everyone wants the best for other people out the. It's purely profit. So if someone doesn't believe medication helps then they should not be forced to use them on their children.
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen on the internet. Not only are you wrong, you're insanely and idiotically wrong. You misunderstand the nature of neglect and medical care, and conflate the issues of necessary medical attention and religious freedom.
If your ignorance LITERALLY causes the death of your own children, then yes: The government should and is allowed to step in and *** slap your ignorant ***.
Please, in the future, when deciding whether to contribute to a thread, topic, or conversation, just keep your opinions to yourself. Go forth from here, obtain an education, and then slap yourself for being the intellectual equivalent of a toothpick.
Wow just wow. If you can read and I think you should then you should step up and do so. I never once said hey this is how I believe. I just offered a view point. I totally understand that you don't believe that way and that is fine but these people do and this is what happens. I can see that you think the government should tell people how to live and what to believe and what to eat and where to eat. I mean hey, I can call you stupid and all the other BS you spout but why. There is countries and people all around the world that don't believe in using modern medicine and survive just fine.
http://www.ibtimes.com/second-child-philadelphia-couple-dies-after-they-choose-prayer-instead-seeing-doctor-1210287
Quote: A Philadelphia couple violated probation after their second child died as a result of them turning to prayer instead of seeking a doctor when the child was ill.
Henry and Catherine Schaible violated probation after their second child died as the couple chose faith healing instead of medical care.
The Philadelphia couple was serving a 10-year probation sentence stemming from the death of their first child, after Herbert and Catherine Schaible prayed for their child instead of seeking medical care, reports the Associated Press.
The Schaibles belong to a fundamentalist Christian church, First Century Gospel Church, that practices faith healing, reports Philadelphia Daily News. The couple was on probation for the death of their 2-year-old son, Kent Schaible, who died of pneumonia in 2009. Herbert and Catherine Schaible pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter in 2011 and were sentenced to 10 years of probation, with one major component being the couple seek medical care for their children if they became sick, notes AP.
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I am at a loss for words.
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