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By Enuyasha 2013-04-22 18:17:18
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
-posts an article about a multiple fatality car accident-
HOW BOUT THEM TRAFFIC LAWS?!

That's how dumb your argument is.
Way to shoot down them anti-gun control sentiments and scaring the conservatives off with logic, you'll probably get banned.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 18:23:13
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
-posts an article about a multiple fatality car accident-
HOW BOUT THEM TRAFFIC LAWS?!

That's how dumb your argument is.

Didn't see a post from Pleebo coming srsly. The fact that the bombers obtained their guns illegally and skipped any possible background checks doesn't put a damper on the gun control argument to you? If bad guys want guns they'll get em. After I post this i'll Report my own post to save you the time. Stick to posting pictures.

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Edit: aww can't report my own posts for presenting a conservative argument
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-04-22 18:25:56
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Yeah, fact of the matter is that setting off bombs and slaughtering/maiming people is illegal, and that didn't seem to bother these boys none.
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-22 18:29:20
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
-posts an article about a multiple fatality car accident-
HOW BOUT THEM TRAFFIC LAWS?!

That's how dumb your argument is.

Didn't see a post from Pleebo coming srsly. The fact that the bombers obtained their guns illegally and skipped any possible background checks doesn't put a damper on the gun control argument to you? If bad guys want guns they'll get em. After I post this i'll Report my own post to save you the time. Stick to posting pictures.

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


Edit: aww can't report my own posts for presenting a conservative argument
Tell me oh wise one, How are they "bad guys" without the laws necessary for them to break and obtain "illegal" firearms? If "good guys" want guns but dont necessarily want to become registered to that firearm because they are about to unload a clip or six into a meeting at their office, they'll use the same black market services that any other "Criminal" will as well, but here's the difference, they hadnt broken the law yet (sans buying an "illegal firearm").

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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-22 18:40:10
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I've never reported any of your posts. I find them quite ignorable most of the time so no need.

Just because laws aren't 100% effective in preventing negative consequences doesn't invalidate those laws. People die in car accidents daily, but traffic laws are still in the best interest of the public (in case that analogy was lost on you).

I don't have a horse in this gun debate. I just hate shitty logic like that.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 19:17:34
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Ignore my posts, lol. Least be honest. Doubt I can find a post of mine that you havent replied to. Comparing muslim extremists who bought guns illegally to defend themselves after a bombing of innocent civilians to ppl getting into car accidents and traffic laws? C'mon man. You clearly have a horse in this debate.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-04-22 19:49:34
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I've never reported any of your posts. I find them quite ignorable most of the time so no need.

Just because laws aren't 100% effective in preventing negative consequences doesn't invalidate those laws. People die in car accidents daily, but traffic laws are still in the best interest of the public (in case that analogy was lost on you).

I don't have a horse in this gun debate. I just hate shitty logic like that.

Problem is there ARE already tons of gun laws and tons of traffic laws. Let's enforce what we have instead of adding more complicated stuff. The sad thing here is we are even debating guns in this thread. The damage these jerks did with stuff from bed, bath, and beyond and home depot did quite a lot more damage in seconds than any gun could. What SHOULD be debated in here is our immigration system and the rules being selectively enforced.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-22 19:52:32
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Ignore my posts, lol. Least be honest. Doubt I can find a post of mine that you havent replied to. Comparing muslim extremists who bought guns illegally to defend themselves after a bombing of innocent civilians to ppl getting into car accidents and traffic laws? C'mon man. You clearly have a horse in this debate.
I really don't. I think the culture of violence, gun-related or not, stems from more fundamental problems within society, and in typical American fashion, we're arguing over the symptom rather than the disease. Then add in the hyperpolarized arguments that gun discussions tend to devolve into. It gets too frustrating for me (and I like arguing about most things!).

Side note: Where's your new avatar from?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-22 19:54:46
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Amandarius's new avatar is Sam Elliot.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-04-22 20:00:15
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Ignore my posts, lol. Least be honest. Doubt I can find a post of mine that you havent replied to. Comparing muslim extremists who bought guns illegally to defend themselves after a bombing of innocent civilians to ppl getting into car accidents and traffic laws? C'mon man. You clearly have a horse in this debate.
I really don't. I think the culture of violence, gun-related or not, stems from more fundamental problems within society, and in typical American fashion, we're arguing over the symptom rather than the disease. Then add in the hyperpolarized arguments that gun discussions tend to devolve into. It gets too frustrating for me (and I like arguing about most things!).

Side note: Where's your new avatar from?

Pleebo sorry to jump in the middle of your discussion with Amandarius but that, what I bolded, right there, is the truth man. I often feel like the U.S. has entered it's teenage years - lots of problems created by stupidity - and you just hope it survives to adulthood. There's a lot of debate on where/how things started going bad in this country/world and is a fascinating topic. That being said, I too am tired of the "symptoms" being addressed not the problems. Every time something bad happens, its a crisis that needs to be solved RIGHT NOW and often times either A.) costs me money or B.) takes more freedoms away.
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By erroneous42 2013-04-22 20:11:15
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well this doesn't make us look good if true. guess the warning signs weren't enough to connect the dots

http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bomb-suspect-eyed-connection-2011-triple-murder-164354976--abc-news-topstories.html

In the wake of the revelations about the violent nature of accused marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, investigators in the Boston suburbs tell ABC News they are probing whether he may have been involved in an unsolved grisly triple homicide of a former roommate and two others. The murders took place around the tenth anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

"We are looking at a possible connection with the suspect in the marathon atrocity and this active and open homicide in Waltham,'' Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for the Middlesex County District Attorney, confirmed to ABC News.

Tsarnaev, the alleged bombing mastermind who died in a fierce gun battle with police early Friday morning, had been training with one of the 2011 murder victims in an attempt to transition from boxing into a possible career in the brutal sport of mixed-martial arts.

The victims were found in a Waltham, Massachusetts apartment. They had their throat slashed, their heads nearly decapitated. Their mutilated bodies were left covered with marijuana.

It was a gruesome scene – but also perplexing to law enforcement. While drugs appeared to factor into the motive, the murderer left both the marijuana and thousands of dollars in cash behind in the Waltham apartment. While the investigation has been active for more than a year, authorities acknowledged they have had few leads.

Two law enforcement sources told ABC News that may now change, with the bomb attack prompting a fresh look into Tsarnaev's alleged penchant for violence.

Even before the bombing, police records show, there was an indication of a rage growing inside of Tsarnaev. Court documents obtained by ABC News show in July 2009 he was arrested for domestic violence after his then-girlfriend made a frantic 911 to report she was "being beat up by her boyfriend." The police report, which was redacted to hide the girlfriend's name, says that Tsarnaev admitted to responding officers that he slapped her. The case was later dismissed.

Tsarnaev had also been close to one of the murder victims, 25-year-old Brendan Mess, investigators told ABC. The two had been training together in a local gym –each helping the other with a missing element from their fighting arsenal. Tsarnaev, a golden-gloves heavy weight boxer, lacked martial arts training. And Mess, an experienced jiu jitsu competitor, lacked boxing experience.

The two sparred together at an Allston, MA gym called Wai Kru. The gym's head trainer, John Allan, provided a statement to the Boston Globe via Facebook message saying that Tamerlan "came into the gym to spar from time to time."

Tsarnaev and Mess lived just a few blocks apart in Cambridge, in the same predominantly Russian neighborhood. Authorities believe there were times Mess crashed at Tsarnaev's apartment.

It was unclear if Tsarnaev knew the other men slain, Raphael Teken, 37, and Erik Weissman, 31.

A Waltham investigator who called the murders "the worst bloodbath I have ever seen in a long law enforcement career" said Tsarnaev has now proven he had the propensity for the type of violence that unfolded two years ago.

"There was no forced entry, it was clear that the victims had let the killer in. And their throats were slashed right out of an al Qaeda training video. The drugs and money on the bodies was very strange," the investigator said.

One of Mess' relatives yesterday told investigators they thought it was odd that Tsarnaev did not attend the funerals for his slain friend. The Mess relative also described animosity between the two friends "over Brendan's lifestyle,'' two law enforcement sources said. Because it is an open homicide investigation the sources were not authorized to speak on the record.

"Given how religious the older brother was, and we have heard information from the college about how the younger brother was 'a pot head' is there a chance that Tsarnaev was angry that Brendan was selling his brother marijuana? We don't know,'' said one of those sources. "But we are certainly interested in finding out."

Tsarnaev and Mess had been socializing together in the months before the murder, according to a Massachusetts correction officer who met up with a group of fighters that included Tsarnaev and Mess at a June 2011 Mixed Martial Arts event run by Burlington Brawl, a Vermont-based fighting outfit. Tsarnaev impressed the group with his golden gloves status, but largely kept to himself during the evening.

"We were all drinking beers, but not that guy. He was drinking water,'' the correction officer said.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-22 20:12:40
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Has there even been any information released that clarifies the motives for the bombing? We know he's Muslim so the assumption is radical Islamic fundamentalism, but it's my understanding that the kid can't really talk at the moment (missing part of his face and all).
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-04-22 20:20:10
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Has there even been any information released that clarifies the motives for the bombing? We know he's Muslim so the assumption is radical Islamic fundamentalism, but it's my understanding that the kid can't really talk at the moment (missing part of his face and all).

Tbh we probably won't know too much for a while. This story has been crazy to follow with all the different facts and stories surfacing, disappearing, coming back up, etc. My general rule of thumb for this whole thing has been if its in the news cycle for a couple of days, unchanged, it may be partially true. As a side note, during the police chase the consistent information was they had 1 pressure cooker bomb, 6 pipe bombs, couple of handguns, and a rifle - thats been reported for a while now. No "wild assault rifles" like some people in this thread we're making it sound, blaming the NRA and stuff.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 20:25:54
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Amandarius's new avatar is Sam Elliot.

the movie Mask. he was a lulzy biker named Gar, but still awesome movie. made me QQ a little
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-04-22 20:26:49
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So did Beck reveal who the very bad bad bad man was?
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-04-22 21:15:43
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
So did Beck reveal who the very bad bad bad man was?

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/22/exposed-congressional-sources-confirm-saudi-national-was-to-be-deported-for-security-related-grounds-have-files-in-their-possession/

FTR he made no mystery last week about who the bad man was, he just said he'd pass along info on the bad man.

Make what you will of the article, i'm only answering your question.
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By Enuyasha 2013-04-22 21:19:04
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
So did Beck reveal who the very bad bad bad man was?

http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/22/exposed-congressional-sources-confirm-saudi-national-was-to-be-deported-for-security-related-grounds-have-files-in-their-possession/

FTR he made no mystery last week about who the bad man was, he just said he'd pass along info on the bad man.

Make what you will of the article, i'm only answering your question.
So are we going to have a Benghazi episode about this guy...?
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-04-22 21:22:25
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Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/04/22/exposed-congressional-sources-confirm-saudi-national-was-to-be-deported-for-security-related-grounds-have-files-in-their-possession/

FTR he made no mystery last week about who the bad man was, he just said he'd pass along info on the bad man.

Make what you will of the article, i'm only answering your question.
Glenn Beck :(
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-22 21:26:49
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The Saudi being deported is a different person from the national who's currently(?) in the hospital right now. The former has zero relation to the bombing.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/saudi-national-questioned-after-bombing-not-being-deported-b
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