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Explosions at the Boston Marathon
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2013-04-19 22:47:35
I'd be incredibly critical of said legal definitions. Just seems like they massage words to fit whatever they want it to fit, whether it's accurate or not.
I was reading this news update on NBC News and noticed at the bottom...
NBC.News said: An administration official said Tsarnaev was not read his Miranda rights and could be questioned without them for up to 48 hours under a special legal exception used in cases where public safety is at stake.
...I get the impression that given the severity of his criminal actions (and the question of whether more people were involved) that everyone is going to look the other way on this one, but I have to admit that these definitions empowering policy have the potential to be abused in less-scrupulous circumstances. :/
For certain, though, it's a huge relief for all involved there. The last few days must have been terrible in the area for residents.
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By Shiva.Arana 2013-04-19 22:55:49
Guilty til proven innocent.
Oh wait.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-04-19 22:56:47
Not reading him his miranda rights seems like good ammo for lawyers.
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By Kimble2013 2013-04-19 23:01:13
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Not reading him his miranda rights seems like good ammo for lawyers.
Eh, not really. Like it was said, if public safety is at risk, they do not need to be read.
I mean, they could try and argue that the public was not at risk, but yeah, good luck with that.
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By Alexander.Sumo 2013-04-19 23:01:46
Any confession that he gives before his Miranda rights are given to him cannot be used against him in court. He can however, still be found guilty by means of other evidence (Which there is more then enough of) collected against him.
By Kimble2013 2013-04-19 23:03:11
Any confession that he gives before his Miranda rights are given to him cannot be used against him in court. He can however, still be found guilty by means of other evidence (Which there is more then enough of) collected against him.
The Miranda rule is not, however, absolute. An exception exists in cases of "public safety". This limited and case-specific exception allows certain unadvised statements (given without Miranda warnings) to be admissible into evidence at trial when they were elicited in circumstances where there was great danger to public safety.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning
Not true
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-04-19 23:03:45
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »Not reading him his miranda rights seems like good ammo for lawyers.
Eh, not really. Like it was said, if public safety is at risk, they do not need to be read.
I mean, they could try and argue that the public was not at risk, but yeah, good luck with that.
Sorry, I've been awake a long *** time and didn't coherently say what I meant:
Man, that is gonna leave one hell of a precedent. ***.
But it looks like I'm wrong either way.
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By Shiva.Arana 2013-04-19 23:06:45
I get your point Sect; or at least I think I do.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-04-19 23:08:35
As long as someone does. I think I'm gonna go to sleep before I make a bigger dumbdumb out of myself :)
Glad that they got the kid. It's going to be an interesting few days.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2013-04-19 23:10:51
Ah it was my bad, anyhow, Sectum. I was the one that brought it up...just thought it was topical given Tikal's reservations from the previous page.
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By Kujata.Daus 2013-04-20 00:15:53
as bad as I feel for the people who died or got their legs blown off (which is horrifying)
I actually feel really bad for this kid too..he's a baby still...I just want to know what he was thinking >.>
By Enuyasha 2013-04-20 02:33:16
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: »So if he did this because he wanted to murder a bunch of people with no political agenda, he's not a terrorist? Jonestown (the example given already,sorry) at face value was mass suicide/murder (which directly is not Terrorism)when you delve deeper into Jonestown it is Terrorism.
This at face value is mass murder. Until we find a political/religious/coercive motive behind this attack it by definition is NOT terrorism "yet".
But for all extensive purposes to expedite the public opinion that he should be tortured with high explosives, they will label him a terrorist for now and then say "oh im sorry, we now have to give you your constitutional rights. Frands?"
The common misonception that an event that causes mass terror/panic is immediately terrorism is whats wrong with the way the word is used. A public haunted house is terrorism because in a group of people it will cause intense feelings of terror and maybe even kill.
The news media today can be called terrorist organizations the way they report the news. The stories they put out can cause terror,panic buying/general panic.
Its a fundamental misunderstanding and misuse of the word and its meaning that blatantly makes me facepalm/scream at my TV. Moreso as they are trying to paint the picture of two islamic jihadist russians who where *** and noone loved them and they had to be stuper intelligent to make those bombs and it was utterly concerning that they didnt leave the city immediately.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-20 12:25:11
Terrorism has become a catchy spook-all word that has lost its meaning. It's like the word racist in that its been used incorrectly so many times that its potency is diminished.
"I don't agree with Obama, I think we should protest the government"
"YOUR A TERRORIST!"
The laymans definition of terrorism is "spooky Muslims trying to destroy 'Murica" and the media/pols know it. It's why they jump to that word like I jump all over the word "***" when I'm upset - it adds potency to my speech and catches the attention of any who hear it.
The mass murder at Aurora, CO wasn't terrorism because there was no overt political agenda behind his actions. These two bombers likely did have some political agenda behind their actions and when that is confirmed then we can file this under terrorism.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-20 12:31:46
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Ahahaha.
Hot damn, I kinda wish I was as good as Glenn Beck at dropping a conspiracy theory.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-20 12:37:22
Chilling!
By Enuyasha 2013-04-20 14:28:17
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »YouTube Video Placeholder
Ahahaha.
Hot damn, I kinda wish I was as good as Glenn Beck at dropping a conspiracy theory. people were already assuming this on day 1 <_< >_>
Its funny, i kinda thought this stupidity would happen a lot farther down the line though >_>
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2013-04-20 16:58:53
The kid they got, he's what, 19?
That reeks of "my older brother got in with radicals and he brought me into it". We'll see.
By Kimble2013 2013-04-20 17:11:44
I don't know why anyone would think this was an inside job, lol.
Well, I guess saying it was an inside job is good for ratings.
By Enuyasha 2013-04-20 17:14:03
I don't know why anyone would think this was an inside job, lol.
Well, I guess saying it was an inside job is good for ratings. it supports the "Obama is Satan" image
and in extension "Guvment is Satan"
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By Bahamut.Bizarro 2013-04-20 17:21:12
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »As for what Bizarro had to say, I automatically call *** on anything else he might try to add to his "argument", as the case he presented for that little "test", he seemingly forgot about: Namely, the subject tested WAS a cop, hence trained to load, fire, and reload quickly, as police officers' lives are occasionally dependent on how quickly they can ready their weapons. Your common average popcorn hero or trailer park Rambo, however, does not receive that training unless they are A: A cop or B: In the military.
K since you can't be bothered to look something up and educate yourself I did it for you. YouTube Video Placeholder
And as you can see if you bother to watch the video even the woman in this test who is NOT trained STILL achieved a reload before the "attacker" could get to her.
Again, you sir are misinformed and uneducated on what you are preaching. I don't care which side of the fence you are on, pro or anti, but you need to make sure you understand what you are talking about.
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By Blazed1979 2013-04-21 11:20:37
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »YouTube Video Placeholder
Ahahaha.
Hot damn, I kinda wish I was as good as Glenn Beck at dropping a conspiracy theory.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2013-04-22 09:22:39
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 17:51:10
apparantly posting that the bomber was a Muslim extremist is considered off topic and my post was deleted lol. you liberals are pathetic.
By Enuyasha 2013-04-22 17:57:02
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »apparantly posting that the bomber was a Muslim extremist is considered off topic and my post was deleted lol. you liberals are pathetic. apparently* being antagonistic isnt a bannable offense, who knew!
also: "LIBERALS,LIBERALS,LIBERALS!" this thread is now complete.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 17:57:37
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Way to shout down the gun debate by scaring the liberals off with actual facts. You'll probably get banned.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-04-22 17:58:19
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »apparantly posting that the bomber was a Muslim extremist is considered off topic and my post was deleted lol. you liberals are pathetic. apparently* being antagonistic isnt a bannable offense, who knew!
also: "LIBERALS,LIBERALS,LIBERALS!" this thread is now complete.
how many posts did you bash everyday Americans in this thread alone?
By Enuyasha 2013-04-22 18:03:46
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »apparantly posting that the bomber was a Muslim extremist is considered off topic and my post was deleted lol. you liberals are pathetic. apparently* being antagonistic isnt a bannable offense, who knew!
also: "LIBERALS,LIBERALS,LIBERALS!" this thread is now complete.
how many posts did you bash everyday Americans in this thread alone? iunno, go and quote them all throughout the 18 pages if there are that many.
TLDWPRP: There probably isnt any
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2013-04-22 18:06:29
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »-posts an article about a multiple fatality car accident-
HOW BOUT THEM TRAFFIC LAWS?!
That's how dumb your argument is.
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