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5 year old suspended for haircut.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-04-09 05:42:32
Against the dress code? Probably shouldn't be, but hey there's a lot of ***that's against the rules I'm against, but doesn't mean I break them.
Not against the dress code? then ppl have something to complain about.
Either way, lol that school
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By Jetackuu 2013-04-09 07:34:37
Mixed opinion on this one.
I understand the urge to be unreasonable and fight the machine (and at times it is needed).
I also understand the school's needs to keep order.
better solution: have the entire class as an asignment find a hat they like, wear it and have them write why they chose the hat.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-04-09 07:39:57
I don't believe hats were allowed at my elementary/middle school. I don't think they were in high school either, but nobody gave a *** and wore them anyways
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By Alexander.Sumo 2013-04-09 16:46:31
Mixed opinion on this one.
I understand the urge to be unreasonable and fight the machine (and at times it is needed).
I also understand the school's needs to keep order.
better solution: have the entire class as an asignment find a hat they like, wear it and have them write why they chose the hat.
Not a bad idea, especially for the age group. The problem is as Tiger stated, most schools prohibit hats as a part of their dress code.
The age of "I don't want to get sued by doing anything considered even remotely offensive" is starting to weigh heavily on me. First it was taking the Pledge of Allegiance out of schools, now a 5 year old can't enjoy a simple haircut.
Speaking of the Pledge, and not meaning to undercut the actual topic here, I just heard about the Texas kid who got in trouble for not saying the Mexican pledge. Schools these days....
Mexican Pledge Story Sorry if there's a thread already discussing the topic.
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By Drjones 2013-04-10 12:52:54
I don't believe hats were allowed at my elementary/middle school. I don't think they were in high school either, but nobody gave a *** and wore them anyways That rule was actually enforced at my school, but there was a loophole in the wording. Basically the rule only applied during a certain time frame, so I'd just wear my hat until class started. It pissed off one of the history teachers something fierce. He'd stalk me to my classes, the bell would ring and the hat would come off and he'd go back to his own classroom. ***was hilarious.
Got to take a class with him my senior year. He turned out to be a pretty cool guy. Definitely one of the better teachers at my school.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 13:00:12
I don't believe hats were allowed at my elementary/middle school. I don't think they were in high school either, but nobody gave a *** and wore them anyways That rule was actually enforced at my school, but there was a loophole in the wording. Basically the rule only applied during a certain time frame, so I'd just wear my hat until class started. It pissed off one of the history teachers something fierce. He'd stalk me to my classes, the bell would ring and the hat would come off and he'd go back to his own classroom. ***was hilarious. Got to take a class with him my senior year. He turned out to be a pretty cool guy. Definitely one of the better teachers at my school. Just makes you sound like a *** that did that for no other reason than to piss someone off... so cool...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-04-10 13:06:05
I don't see a problem with it if he took it off when he was in class. You can wear whatever you want here and have whatever kinda hat you want as long as you take it off when class starts. Outside of that it doesn't matter.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-04-10 13:08:15
My history teacher in highschool kicked me out once cause I had a lollipop...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-10 13:09:04
Well, since this thread was bumped... Can we at least talk about something more important than a kid getting booted for a mohawk?
Quote: Mr. Casey Barduhn, Superintendent
Westhill Central School District
400 Walberta Park Road
Syracuse, New York 13219
Dear Mr. Barduhn and Board of Education Members:
It is with the deepest regret that I must retire at the close of this school year, ending my more than twenty-seven years of service at Westhill on June 30, under the provisions of the 2012-15 contract. I assume that I will be eligible for any local or state incentives that may be offered prior to my date of actual retirement and I trust that I may return to the high school at some point as a substitute teacher.
As with Lincoln and Springfield, I have grown from a young to an old man here; my brother died while we were both employed here; my daughter was educated here, and I have been touched by and hope that I have touched hundreds of lives in my time here. I know that I have been fortunate to work with a small core of some of the finest students and educators on the planet.
I came to teaching forty years ago this month and have been lucky enough to work at a small liberal arts college, a major university and this superior secondary school. To me, history has been so very much more than a mere job, it has truly been my life, always driving my travel, guiding all of my reading and even dictating my television and movie viewing. Rarely have I engaged in any of these activities without an eye to my classroom and what I might employ in a lesson, a lecture or a presentation. With regard to my profession, I have truly attempted to live John Dewey’s famous quotation (now likely cliché with me, I’ve used it so very often) that “Education is not preparation for life, education is life itself.” This type of total immersion is what I have always referred to as teaching “heavy,” working hard, spending time, researching, attending to details and never feeling satisfied that I knew enough on any topic. I now find that this approach to my profession is not only devalued, but denigrated and perhaps, in some quarters despised. STEM rules the day and “data driven” education seeks only conformity, standardization, testing and a zombie-like adherence to the shallow and generic Common Core, along with a lockstep of oversimplified so-called Essential Learnings. Creativity, academic freedom, teacher autonomy, experimentation and innovation are being stifled in a misguided effort to fix what is not broken in our system of public education and particularly not at Westhill.
A long train of failures has brought us to this unfortunate pass. In their pursuit of Federal tax dollars, our legislators have failed us by selling children out to private industries such as Pearson Education. The New York State United Teachers union has let down its membership by failing to mount a much more effective and vigorous campaign against this same costly and dangerous debacle. Finally, it is with sad reluctance that I say our own administration has been both uncommunicative and unresponsive to the concerns and needs of our staff and students by establishing testing and evaluation systems that are Byzantine at best and at worst, draconian. This situation has been exacerbated by other actions of the administration, in either refusing to call open forum meetings to discuss these pressing issues, or by so constraining the time limits of such meetings that little more than a conveying of information could take place. This lack of leadership at every level has only served to produce confusion, a loss of confidence and a dramatic and rapid decaying of morale. The repercussions of these ill-conceived policies will be telling and shall resound to the detriment of education for years to come. The analogy that this process is like building the airplane while we are flying would strike terror in the heart of anyone should it be applied to an actual airplane flight, a medical procedure, or even a home repair. Why should it be acceptable in our careers and in the education of our children?
My profession is being demeaned by a pervasive atmosphere of distrust, dictating that teachers cannot be permitted to develop and administer their own quizzes and tests (now titled as generic “assessments”) or grade their own students’ examinations. The development of plans, choice of lessons and the materials to be employed are increasingly expected to be common to all teachers in a given subject. This approach not only strangles creativity, it smothers the development of critical thinking in our students and assumes a one-size-fits-all mentality more appropriate to the assembly line than to the classroom. Teacher planning time has also now been so greatly eroded by a constant need to “prove up” our worth to the tyranny of APPR (through the submission of plans, materials and “artifacts” from our teaching) that there is little time for us to carefully critique student work, engage in informal intellectual discussions with our students and colleagues, or conduct research and seek personal improvement through independent study. We have become increasingly evaluation and not knowledge driven. Process has become our most important product, to twist a phrase from corporate America, which seems doubly appropriate to this case.
After writing all of this I realize that I am not leaving my profession, in truth, it has left me. It no longer exists. I feel as though I have played some game halfway through its fourth quarter, a timeout has been called, my teammates’ hands have all been tied, the goal posts moved, all previously scored points and honors expunged and all of the rules altered.
For the last decade or so, I have had two signs hanging above the blackboard at the front of my classroom, they read, “Words Matter” and “Ideas Matter”. While I still believe these simple statements to be true, I don’t feel that those currently driving public education have any inkling of what they mean.
Sincerely and with regret,
Gerald J. Conti
Social Studies Department Leader
Cc: Doreen Bronchetti, Lee Roscoe
My little Zu.
Like...Ummm...You know...How standardized testing has been and continues to rape students of critical thinking skills and creativity? How teachers' backs have been pushed against the wall for over two decades, and they can no longer devote themselves to a career where they share the subjects that they genuinely love to new generations?
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By Bismarck.Misao 2013-04-10 13:18:41
someone pulled a prank on my English teacher, and the effing *** targeted the usual suspects.... one st behind me and one besides me... (none of them did it)
they grouped me with them, and she made us take the class standing up (not allowed to use the desk) for about a week.
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By Drjones 2013-04-10 13:30:49
I don't believe hats were allowed at my elementary/middle school. I don't think they were in high school either, but nobody gave a *** and wore them anyways That rule was actually enforced at my school, but there was a loophole in the wording. Basically the rule only applied during a certain time frame, so I'd just wear my hat until class started. It pissed off one of the history teachers something fierce. He'd stalk me to my classes, the bell would ring and the hat would come off and he'd go back to his own classroom. ***was hilarious. Got to take a class with him my senior year. He turned out to be a pretty cool guy. Definitely one of the better teachers at my school. Just makes you sound like a *** that did that for no other reason than to piss someone off... so cool... Not as cool as ellipsis abuse, that's for sure.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2013-04-10 13:43:32
Well, since this thread was bumped.
Snip.
Ah, a breath of fresh air to a conversation that almost personifies the current American habit of arguing about trivial nonsense that has nothing to do with the overarching problems. Who gives a ***about some kids haircut? Ah, outward appearances trump the quality of an education from the ever-encroaching forces of ignorance. Forgive my transgression.
I happen to care about what children learn in school and how they apply this to their lives because guess what? My offspring (literal and otherwise) and I will be accountable for what happens in the future if we continue down this path of doping ourselves up on American exceptionalism while the rest of the world catches up but hey, who needs intelligence in this service economy? We need drones and we need 'em now. To hell with critical thinking, my overlords will handle that for me.
Our teachers are being paid crap, parents aren't doing their due diligence, leaders are encouraging the creation of a generation of emptyheaded pawns while their kids get superior education elsewhere, critical thinking and free thought is drowned out by the shrieking of fundamentalist nonsense and corporate agendas as our future generations of Americans lay helpless in the middle taught that skating by is superior and learning is for the birds.
It's a recipe for disaster.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-10 13:52:13
Sparth and I were on the same thought train here...
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »This is what America debates when we don't feel like talking about how the education system is going down the tubes.
Seriously though, are you telling me that some of you are more outraged by the thought of someone's personal, individual atheistic being suppressed (Even though it's the parents, and yes I do agree that it's silly.), than individual and expansive thought being suppressed via a condensed curriculum that continues to be squeezed to accommodate standardized testing?
EDIT: Oh ***!
/highfive
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 14:07:44
On the topic of teachers being paid crap... I have to disagree with this... For one though I believe salary should be based on performance at any level in any business but then you run into the problem of fairness on evaluations and fights over who is making what...
Another issue is that while education is extrememly important... public schools don't really bring in any money... they are paid with funds from certain taxes... I know here it's heavily related to property taxes and the lottery so there is a limited pool to draw from... It's not a profession you go into to make millions and you know that going in... but it's also not a profession of employees that are completely and wholely unpaid... there are also some opportunities provided tp make extra money running school activities that do not involve the regular teaching day... they pay almost $30 an hour to their driver's ed instructors here... and about the same to supervise school intramural activities...
The lowest paid HS teacher here makes $50k and the highest around $100k... you leave this county and some start at $80k... and those are all publicly funded by the tax payer... I know people who easily add another 20k to that picking up extras... It's not available to all but yea... The base salary also changes from elementary to HS to college... the funding also changes for college as well... There is also the distinction between private and public... that combined with your district and student population makes up the amount they have to pay their employees... As I said before also you don't go in to teaching thinking you're going to make millions either but you're not really always a pauper either like someone would like you to believe...
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 14:14:21
Sparth and I were on the same thought train here... Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »This is what America debates when we don't feel like talking about how the education system is going down the tubes. Seriously though, are you telling me that some of you are more outraged by the thought of someone's personal, individual atheistic being suppressed (Even though it's the parents, and yes I do agree that it's silly.), than individual and expansive thought being suppressed via a condensed curriculum that continues to be squeezed to accommodate standardized testing? EDIT: Oh ***! /highfive You'd think by this time they'd at least be able to get their kids to pass standardized testing...
There are rules in place... get over it... a lot of the public school ones are there to eliminate issues... some of it is to prevent gang affilation or confusion... other is to prevent bullying or whatever other reason they came up with at the time... Does the rule need to be there? Maybe not... is it a good one? maybe yes maybe no... but it is there and it is not necassary or damaging to a child to not let him have a mohawk... so I say get over it and go to class... Private schools are a different story...
As for the educational standards its a difficult road to travel down... on one hand they look for a way to best educate and on the other hand they look for a way to equally test and grade each child... its fraught with so many issues and complaints on every side that it's almost impossible to change anythign for the better because everyone is complaining... There is a need for overhaul but who has the best way? How can you provide the best education and maintain an air of equality as well?
By Drjones 2013-04-10 14:15:19
Then explain to me why my dad had to work three jobs in order to make ends meet as a school teacher in the richest goddamn county in the country.
Go on, I'll wait.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 14:18:57
Then explain to me why my dad had to work three jobs in order to make ends meet as a school teacher in the richest goddamn county in the country. Go on, I'll wait. Made poor choices? Idk... I have three teachers in my family and they're all doing very well...
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By Phoenix.Kylewhat 2013-04-10 14:22:43
because your dad lives beyond his means
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-10 14:27:48
Flav,
I half-assedly agree with you, but we do need to consider cost of living in various states. I'm on the fence as to whether the starting salary for teachers here, which is around $35K here, for the thirty some odd weeks that teachers work is fair, taking into account cost of living.
Also, "teachers unions" in red states are basically paralyzed in not completely defunct. Which is why I could never wrap my head around people in this state complaining about "those horrible teachers' unions". Your brother is more fortunate in his career in teaching than others, Flav.
Sadly, here additional school funding, money outside of taxes, is determined by standardized testing performance. Their solution when public schools continually underperform is to shut down the public schools.
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By Sylph.Dasanuffadat 2013-04-10 14:35:49
..... Seriously what the *** is wrong with all these schools anymore?
Oddly this irritated me more than the article >.< Can anyone explain to me why so many people use "anymore" incorrectly? I swear it's been on the rise the past 4 years but can't attribute it to anything. "Correct" words for that situation are "now" "today" or "lately" by the way.
And before people come shouting at me with pitchforks, this is a serious post, not trying to derail, flame or troll. I'm genuinely curious on the incorrect use of it. It's driving me nuts o.o lol
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-10 14:45:46
There are rules in place... get over it... a lot of the public school ones are there to eliminate issues... some of it is to prevent gang affilation or confusion... other is to prevent bullying or whatever other reason they came up with at the time... Does the rule need to be there? Maybe not... is it a good one? maybe yes maybe no... but it is there and it is not necassary or damaging to a child to not let him have a mohawk... so I say get over it and go to class... Private schools are a different story...
I don't care about the mohawk. I understand why the rules are in place. I've always considered the "*** the system!" crowd, who only do it through obnoxious, trivial gestures, wide off the mark. They might think they're super-dee-duper cool, but are hopeless in actually making their "statement" known.
As for the educational standards its a difficult road to travel down... on one hand they look for a way to best educate and on the other hand they look for a way to equally test and grade each child... its fraught with so many issues and complaints on every side that it's almost impossible to change anythign for the better because everyone is complaining... There is a need for overhaul but who has the best way? How can you provide the best education and maintain an air of equality as well?
I can agree with this.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 14:46:49
$35k can be lived on and in major metropolitan areas... people do it in my city... It has to do with personal budgeting as well... people have a hard time spending within their means... or they want to live alone instead of having a room mate... Could be people want to start a family... there starts another expense... could have a dual income family there or it definitely stresses a 35k budget if only one person is working... in any case you can't really blame the schools... they only have limited fudning to work with in the first place and again... you don't go into this profession looking to make it rich... While I agree that it would be nicer for them to make more money it's not always the system that's to blame... plenty of people make it by on less... If you gave me $35k a year I'd be able to easily live on that... I wouldn't be able to go party every week or get the 80 inch flatscreen but I could easily put food on my table have a place to live and some extras... again personal budgeting is a big part of it... You see all your friends doing things too and you figure why can't I do that? not to mention that teachers do not work the full year...
a lot of red states are leaning towards right to work... which is really a failure on the unions part because they lose power when not all the employees join or back them... you still have the choice to join the union or not... Also, kids coming out of school have the opportunity to move around for a job and look for other opportunities while they start out smaller... you can't join an industry knowing full well what the pay scale is and then expect them to change the minute you get in there because you say you deserve more...
would you want to give money to schools that can't even get their students to pass standardized tests?
By Drjones 2013-04-10 14:47:58
because your dad lives beyond his means That's the funniest ***I've heard all day. My Dad grew up dirt poor in West Virginia and is the stingiest person alive.
By Drjones 2013-04-10 14:49:21
Sylph.Dasanuffadat said: »
..... Seriously what the *** is wrong with all these schools anymore?
Oddly this irritated me more than the article >.< Can anyone explain to me why so many people use "anymore" incorrectly? I swear it's been on the rise the past 4 years but can't attribute it to anything. "Correct" words for that situation are "now" "today" or "lately" by the way.
And before people come shouting at me with pitchforks, this is a serious post, not trying to derail, flame or troll. I'm genuinely curious on the incorrect use of it. It's driving me nuts o.o lol I thought I was the only one out of the loop. This drives me up the wall.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 15:01:07
because your dad lives beyond his means That's the funniest ***I've heard all day. My Dad grew up dirt poor in West Virginia and is the stingiest person alive. Living beyond your means doesn't always relate to someone who is not thrifty with their cash...
My father also grew up dirt poor... put himself through school worked and made a good living for himself and only had to hold down one job...
So while I can see it from your viewpoint as well where it is hard to make a living in certain situations there is also opportunity available where you can... What's the difference between your father and mine where one ended up with three jobs and the other successful... as this is a sensitive subject involving family keep in mind that I'm not insulting anyone or saying one is better than the other... Examining a situation because you seem to blame the low pay of the shool system for your fathers predicament and both our fathers came from nothing...
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2013-04-10 15:02:29
FLAV!
You are overlooking obvious differences in our states. Population, demographics, etc. Illinois needs are quite different from Texas's when it comes to education. I would say California is the most comparable state, despite political leanings.
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 15:05:45
I get tired of people always just generally blaming the system... The educational system has become a hot button topic for quite awhile now too... It's almost like teaching is one of those professions that can't be touched but is always looked at as underappreciated... can't insult teachers at all without getting attacked... there are great teachers out there but there are also shitty teachers out there... the problem in my city is that the shitty ones get just as much respect as the great ones because they feel the need to protect everyone regardless of performance...
In any case you can't blame the problems solely on the administration... it's the teachers faults as well... they're all on this system and people still succeed... there are still teachers that reach the kids and prepare them well... we can't treat this like it lies solely on one side... there needs to be more effort and reform on both...
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By Siren.Flavin 2013-04-10 15:12:50
FLAV! You are overlooking obvious differences in our states. Population, demographics, etc. Illinois needs are quite different from Texas's when it comes to education. I would say California is the most comparable state, despite political leanings. Could elaborate on what some of those differences are and how those differences lead to different educational needs?
By Jetackuu 2013-04-10 16:54:45
While I agree that I don't like the idea of "lowering the standard" however there is a need for "standardized testing" otherwise some places will educate severely different from others, and our education (or lack of rather) in the US is only going to create more problems.
While the standards do limit the ability of the truly superior educators out there, there is a severe lack of those kind of teachers, what should we do with the students who weren't so lucky to get teachers that were great? give up on them?
Kind of lost track of the point of this but basically: there should be a standard, but we shouldn't be lowering it, we should be raising it, require that people finish school (unless they're 21+).
oh and @ the hat thing:
it's called exceptions for projects...
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2013-04-10 18:42:32
Then explain to me why my dad had to work three jobs in order to make ends meet as a school teacher in the richest goddamn county in the country.
Go on, I'll wait.
Surprised no one caught the bolded part, considering the claim is his father was a teacher.
5 year old suspended for haircut.
Quote: When 5-year-old Ethan Clos showed up at school with a short, spiky mohawk last week, his fellow kindergarteners thought it was cool. But administrators at Reid Primary and Middle School in Springfield, Ohio, deemed the edgy cut too disruptive, and ordered him home until he adopted a tamer style.
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His mom, Keshia Castle, said that school officials suspended her son on Wednesday. After he begged her for the hairstyle, she finally let him get it over spring break.
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"They seen his hair like it was," she told WHIO-TV on Friday. "All the little kids were going over and feeling on it and everything."
Superintendent Gregg Morris says that's exactly why they had to send little Ethan home.
"Our dress and grooming policies are designed to ensure that clothing and hairstyles do not cause a distraction to the learning environment," Morris said in a statement.
The school's handbook states that "Hair shall be worn above the eyebrows and must be kept clean, neat and trimmed" and specifies that boys may not wear their hair longer than the bottom of their shirt collars. It also says: "Hair styling or coloring arrangements which are disruptive or distracting are not permissible."
“Our policy clearly states that any dress or grooming which is disruptive or distracting to the educational process is not acceptable," Morris verified to WHIO-TV. "In this particular case, the student’s hairstyle did provide disruption to the classroom."
Ethan's grandmother, Joyce Wells, thinks the suspension was too harsh a penalty to pay for a hairstyle. A mohawk, she said, isn't really that different from other styles where the hair is cut close to the scalp, especially if the mohawk itself is short.
"I could understand if it was colored, and if it stood up off longer of his head," his grandmother said. "But I don't see nothing wrong with this."
This isn't the mile-high, stiffly gelled punk look of the past. (In fact, if they hadn't used styling product to give his mohawk some definition, Ethan's hair would probably have looked much like a typical military cut.) The child's stylist may have taken a cue from celebrity kids like Maddox Jolie-Pitt and Willow Smith, both of whom have sported the spiky look, to mixed reviews. Kingston Rossdale (son of rockers Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rossdale), Madonna's 4-year-old son David Banda, and Cruz Beckham (whose parents are sport-and-style icons David and Victoria Beckham) have also sported modified mohawks, where the sides are cut close, rather than shaved bare, and a strip of hair on the top is left a bit longer.
In 2009 (and again in 2011), a volunteer football coach at the local high school wore a blond-tipped Mohawk to motivate his team. When a WHIO-TV reporter asked Morris why the coach's hair was acceptable while the kindergartener's was not, Morris said that the two situations are totally different.
“One involved an extracurricular spirit initiative designed to motivate our kids in the football playoffs a year ago," Morris explained. "Classrooms were not disrupted. The other poses a disruption to the learning environment as well as violates the student dress code."
Ethan's mom told WHIO-TV that her son would return to school on Monday, after she has his head shaved, but the style shouldn't have been such a big deal.
"He's a 5-year-old little boy who chose to wear his hair a certain way," she told the news station.
..... Seriously what the fuck is wrong with all these schools anymore?
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