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Hades Sainti?
Server: Hades
Game: FFXI
Posts: 32
By Hades.Slayerx 2009-06-23 03:40:27
I am working on PUP, and have been saving up for a pair of Hades Sainti. I was wondering how much these actually our perform the Wagh Baghnakhs. Any pups have advice? Thanks
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Server: Shiva
Game: FFXI
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By Shiva.Devinity 2009-06-23 04:47:19
I don't have pup lvled but as a 75 mnk i prefer hades to wagh simply because of the boost to my eva and acc. but I generally take hate anyway. The +enmity may be a serious downfall for Pup use.
Server: Hades
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By Hades.Slayerx 2009-06-23 19:58:38
I'm not worried about the enmity. Basically what I want to know, from someone that has used both, is the Hades worth the gil?
Fairy.Tbest
Server: Fairy
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-24 10:07:41
Hades Sainti +18 DMG +51 DLY ACC+7 EVA+7 ENM+7 Wagh Baghnakhs +13 DMG +60 Dly Latent: +18 DMG +5 ACC +14 ATK
So, under 100% TP you're getting the same dmg, 9 less delay on Hades, +2 ACC, +7 EVA, +7 ENM, and losing 14 ATK.
I personally prefer the Hades on Monk to Destroyers unless I'm already at 90%+ acc.
Solo'ing as /nin or /dnc anytime, use Hades. Otherwise, I'd go Wagh.
The Wagh are pretty nice if you're ws'ing as soon as you hit 100% TP and are cheap as well.
Midgardsormr.Lishje
Server: Midgardsormr
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By Midgardsormr.Lishje 2009-06-24 10:18:49
Use the money you'd spend on hades in other places first. Waghs are pretty top of the line for pup as far as DD'ing. Hades are obviously better solo material though, but I still use waghs wherever I go and haven't regretted selling my hades back to the AH.
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Sylph.Jetu
Server: Sylph
Game: FFXI
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By Sylph.Jetu 2009-06-24 10:37:03
i used waghs when i 1st lvl'd up pup & then moved into hades & liked them better & sold wagh
the acc is nice to compensate for the naturaly low acc pup normaly gets, damage bonuses are pointless if you cant connect with ur oponent, and the evasion & emnity bostis also nice for keeping hate off ur robot
Server: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-06-24 10:47:09
Go with Hades
Fairy.Tbest
Server: Fairy
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-24 10:48:50
Really though.... When it comes down to the acc, it's "only" +2 acc over Wagh. Unless of course... you're not ws'ing as you hit 100% each time.
Cerberus.Jiko
Server: Cerberus
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2009-06-24 12:19:40
Can you live without them? Yes.
Are they worth using over Wagh? Of course.
Save up, get them, use it.
And in regard to the not wanting to use cause of the +emn.. lulz. A pup stealing hate? Now thats funny.
Fairy.Tbest
Server: Fairy
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By Fairy.Tbest 2009-06-24 12:28:27
Yeah, the enm+ is pretty irrelevant. The real question is +2 acc 51 dly or +14 atk 60 dly.
Server: Fairy
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By Fairy.Pwrlessgirl 2009-06-24 14:01:49
Just get the Black Adargas lvl 60 for the moment. You can raise your guard skill on them... once u hit lvl 70+ focus on getting Hades Sainti. I bought mine not long ago for 600k in Fairy, now they are up to 750k, so keep an eye out. If money is your issue then stay with WAGH once u are in your 70's. Don't loose your Black Adargas ever you might need them if you want MNK. You will have to work on guard if you ever want to beat Maat on MNK someday.
Server: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-06-24 14:06:07
Black Adargas + MNK?
BLASPHEMY!!!
/dies inside
Cerberus.Jiko
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2009-06-24 14:10:47
Or.. the smart way if you ever plan on partying.
1.) T.M. Hooks +2 2.) Shiva's claws, if your acc sucks 3.) Hades Sainti 4.) Shenlong's Baghnakhs 5.) ??? 6.) Profit!
Server: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-06-24 14:20:56
Jiko said: Or.. the smart way if you ever plan on partying.
1.) T.M. Hooks +2 2.) Shiva's claws, if your acc sucks 3.) Hades Sainti 4.) Shenlong's Baghnakhs 5.) ??? 6.) Profit! 1). yes 2). If you can't get that, Darksteel Sainti can be a good sub. 3). that and +1 4). great 5). Scogan's Knuckles, latent effect is active while automaton is out... which gives ACC+11 6). free-for-all
Cerberus.Jiko
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2009-06-24 14:46:33
Kungfuhustle said: Jiko said: Or.. the smart way if you ever plan on partying.
1.) T.M. Hooks +2 2.) Shiva's claws, if your acc sucks 3.) Hades Sainti 4.) Shenlong's Baghnakhs 5.) ??? 6.) Profit! 1). yes 2). If you can't get that, Darksteel Sainti can be a good sub. 3). that and +1 4). great 5). Scogan's Knuckles, latent effect is active while automaton is out... which gives ACC+11 6). free-for-all This listing was the order to go in. Its a south park reference. here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe6kGJDGctU Embedding disabled on it, just c/p it into your bar.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-06-24 14:49:35
lol
Server: Hades
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By Hades.Slayerx 2009-06-24 15:23:43
Thanks for the reply's. I went on to some other forums, did A LOT of reading. Most of which concurred with what you guys are saying. Hades=Solo Wagh=PT. I haven't found anyone accurately parse each, but what I did find might be a little inaccurate, but it Hades did appear to out DD Wagh ever so SLIGHTLY. Why oh why did SE have to give PUP a C rating? I think really I'm gonna have to decide between the two situationaly, whether its a high def mob or high eva mob.
Cerberus.Jiko
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2009-06-24 19:11:32
Slayerx said: Why oh why did SE have to give PUP a C rating? Because our automatons have an A skill or higher in their respected frames, and are the intended main source of our damage.
Server: Hades
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By Hades.Slayerx 2009-06-24 20:42:41
Jiko said: Because our automatons have an A skill or higher in their respected frames, and are the intended main source of our damage.
True, but c'mon, they coulda gave us C+ at least! lol. Anyways, PUP is an amazing job that deserves a lot more respect.
Midgardsormr.Lishje
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By Midgardsormr.Lishje 2009-06-24 21:45:12
I'll chime in again. use waghs for DDing. Hades for Soloing / Anmiesaing stuff. if you can, and you SHOULD, be Ws'ing at 100-110tp, Waghs are way better. Difference, DD-wise from Waghs to hades is +2acc -14atk
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I am working on PUP, and have been saving up for a pair of Hades Sainti. I was wondering how much these actually our perform the Wagh Baghnakhs. Any pups have advice? Thanks
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